Can a level 1 artificer/5 wizard cast the Identify spell that is provided by the artificer spell list be cast by the wizard as a ritual without preparing it or does the wizard have to have the spell as well?
Wizard and Artificer both need to prepare spells as part of a long rest... an Artificer can prepare any spell on the Artificer spell list, but a Wizard can only prepare spells that they have in their personal spellbook.
If the Artificer has Identify prepared they can cast it as a ritual in addition to casting it with spell slots, but if they do not have it prepared there's nothing they can do.
A wizard can cast Identify as a ritual spell even if they don't have it prepared for that day, but only if they have the spell written in their spellbook.
If the wizard does not have Identify written in their spellbook and does not have it prepared as part of the Artificer class, then they cannot cast Identify, even as a ritual.
However, as an Artificer you can actually create a first level spell scroll by spending 1 work day (8 hours) and 25gp. After crafting the scroll, you can then copy it into your Wizard spellbook and then you can cast it as a ritual without preparing it.
Wizards can only cast wizard spells that are in their spellbooks as rituals, and multiclassing doesn't change that. TransmorpherDDS described the workaround for the fact that a spell that you prepare as an artificer doesn't count as a wizard spell for you and would not be in your spellbook.
Just to confirm I am asking about a multi classed artificer/wizard. Thank you for answering my question.
The only thing to add to Transmorpher's post is that a) the rules for making your own spell scrolls are optional and may not be available to you but also b) you simply don't need to make a spell scroll at all. Any wizard can inscribe any spell they have prepared into their spellbook; doing so with a non-wizard spell is generally useless, but as Identify is a wizard spell, that's a non-issue for your question.
Just to confirm I am asking about a multi classed artificer/wizard. Thank you for answering my question.
The only thing to add to Transmorpher's post is that a) the rules for making your own spell scrolls are optional and may not be available to you but also b) you simply don't need to make a spell scroll at all. Any wizard can inscribe any spell they have prepared into their spellbook; doing so with a non-wizard spell is generally useless, but as Identify is a wizard spell, that's a non-issue for your question.
Yes, thank you for clarifying that. I assumed that the rules for copying a spell into your spellbook that you don't have prepared as a Wizard meant they had to be turned into a scroll first... but a closer reading of the rules for copying a spell into your spellbook just require that it be a spell that you have prepared with no language in the rules limiting it to Wizard spells. Rules as Intended, however, I feel it was still meant to apply exclusively to Wizard spells, so it's still something that's worth checking with your DM to see if they're the type to stick strictly to the Rules exactly as they are written or if they're the type to be a bit more restrictive.
I was thinking since it IS a wizard spell that instead of taking it as another spell during level up that I could just keep it on artificer and ritual cast it as wizard.. but if I can prepare it as artificer and my order of scribes could write it down in his spell book that would work as well. I think it is 2 minutes per level of spell for order of scribes.
Quindraco isn’t quite correct though, so I’m not entirely sure all DMs would allow it. Their post is talking about a technicality, that in the spellbook rules it says that you can write down your prepared spells using the copying your spellbook rules. Except, that sentence starts with “If you lose your spellbook.” If you haven’t lost your spellbook and aren’t writing a new one, it’s a hard sell to say that using those rules is actually an option. Additionally, there is a heavy implication that this is talking about your spells prepared through the wizard class, not all of your prepared spells. I don’t think it is nearly as clean cut as quindraco seems to say it is.
And anyway, this technicality that quindraco suggests really only saves a bit of time and money. It probably isn't game breaking to allow it, it is just a technicality that doesn't technically work.
Can a level 1 artificer/5 wizard cast the Identify spell that is provided by the artificer spell list be cast by the wizard as a ritual without preparing it or does the wizard have to have the spell as well?
Here's how it works...
Wizard and Artificer both need to prepare spells as part of a long rest... an Artificer can prepare any spell on the Artificer spell list, but a Wizard can only prepare spells that they have in their personal spellbook.
If the Artificer has Identify prepared they can cast it as a ritual in addition to casting it with spell slots, but if they do not have it prepared there's nothing they can do.
A wizard can cast Identify as a ritual spell even if they don't have it prepared for that day, but only if they have the spell written in their spellbook.
If the wizard does not have Identify written in their spellbook and does not have it prepared as part of the Artificer class, then they cannot cast Identify, even as a ritual.
However, as an Artificer you can actually create a first level spell scroll by spending 1 work day (8 hours) and 25gp. After crafting the scroll, you can then copy it into your Wizard spellbook and then you can cast it as a ritual without preparing it.
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Just to confirm I am asking about a multi classed artificer/wizard. Thank you for answering my question.
Wizards can only cast wizard spells that are in their spellbooks as rituals, and multiclassing doesn't change that. TransmorpherDDS described the workaround for the fact that a spell that you prepare as an artificer doesn't count as a wizard spell for you and would not be in your spellbook.
The only thing to add to Transmorpher's post is that a) the rules for making your own spell scrolls are optional and may not be available to you but also b) you simply don't need to make a spell scroll at all. Any wizard can inscribe any spell they have prepared into their spellbook; doing so with a non-wizard spell is generally useless, but as Identify is a wizard spell, that's a non-issue for your question.
Yes, thank you for clarifying that. I assumed that the rules for copying a spell into your spellbook that you don't have prepared as a Wizard meant they had to be turned into a scroll first... but a closer reading of the rules for copying a spell into your spellbook just require that it be a spell that you have prepared with no language in the rules limiting it to Wizard spells. Rules as Intended, however, I feel it was still meant to apply exclusively to Wizard spells, so it's still something that's worth checking with your DM to see if they're the type to stick strictly to the Rules exactly as they are written or if they're the type to be a bit more restrictive.
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I was thinking since it IS a wizard spell that instead of taking it as another spell during level up that I could just keep it on artificer and ritual cast it as wizard.. but if I can prepare it as artificer and my order of scribes could write it down in his spell book that would work as well. I think it is 2 minutes per level of spell for order of scribes.
Quindraco isn’t quite correct though, so I’m not entirely sure all DMs would allow it. Their post is talking about a technicality, that in the spellbook rules it says that you can write down your prepared spells using the copying your spellbook rules. Except, that sentence starts with “If you lose your spellbook.” If you haven’t lost your spellbook and aren’t writing a new one, it’s a hard sell to say that using those rules is actually an option. Additionally, there is a heavy implication that this is talking about your spells prepared through the wizard class, not all of your prepared spells. I don’t think it is nearly as clean cut as quindraco seems to say it is.
And anyway, this technicality that quindraco suggests really only saves a bit of time and money. It probably isn't game breaking to allow it, it is just a technicality that doesn't technically work.