New goodberry spell

These are the arguments that absolutely make me loathe how the new rules are written. If two people cannot agree on RAW then the RAW are ambiguous. There just seem to be so many instances of it in the 2024 set.

However, it's pretty obvious that RAI, the dang spell is not meant for reviving downed characters. But by all means, twist the poorly written rules into whatever tiny advantage you might be able to get to not have to use a different resource.

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Yes, a Rabbit Hop can only be performed as a Bonus Action. That Bonus Action allows the Harengon to jump. This does not mean that the Harengon is now required to use a Bonus Action to jump.

The Spell says that eating a berry provides healing. It is not explicitly tied to the Bonus Action. You can make the argument that it is implied or that it is RAI that a Bonus Action is required and that's fine at your table.

For anyone who wants it to work per RAW, you can take the separation of the Bonus Action and the effect of eating the berry to rule that any eating of the berry (including being fed a berry) provides the healing.

If you are counting on this tactic, talk to your DM.

 

 Rabbit Hop is not a Jump, it is a jump. A Jump is a kind of movement tied to your Speed. Rabbit Hop has no ties to mechanical Jump or movement of any kind outside the need for a Harengon to not have a Speed of 0. You can use all your Speed but the last 5ft and you can then do a Rabbit Hop equal to 5 times your Proficiency Bonus after. 

Since there are no Free Actions in the 2024 rules, you have no means to eat the Goodberry outside the type of Action that the spell explicitly provided:

A creature can take a Bonus Action to eat one berry...

This is the explicit you claim doesn't exist. If you want to ignore the rules, by all means, play D&D as you wish. 

The Action that you are trying to say you can eat the berry with doesn't exist in this revision of the rules, as far as I have seen. Even if it did, an Unconscious creature cannot use it anyway. 

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Most Bonus Actions are new activities that you could not otherwise do, such as teleporting via Misty Step. For those activities, you cannot substitute another action type for the Bonus Action.

 So if you insist that a Bonus Action is not needed to get the healing or the nourishment, what does eating the berry with a Bonus Action do?

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However, it's pretty obvious that RAI, the dang spell is not meant for reviving downed characters. But by all means, twist the poorly written rules into whatever tiny advantage you might be able to get to not have to use a different resource.

No advantage is sought other than justifying reviving allies like someone mentioned on page 1.

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Rabbit Hop is not a Jump, it is a jump. A Jump is a kind of movement tied to your Speed. Rabbit Hop has no ties to mechanical Jump or movement of any kind outside the need for a Harengon to not have a Speed of 0. You can use all your Speed but the last 5ft and you can then do a Rabbit Hop equal to 5 times your Proficiency Bonus after. 

Rabbit Hop: As a bonus action, you can jump a number of feet ...

Rabbit Hop is, in fact, a jump. It has details that supersede the specifics of the general jump rules, but it is still a jump and some aspects of the jump rules will still apply. Also, you do not need to reserve 5 feet of movement in order to make a Rabbit Hop. Having 0 movement left is not the same as having a speed of 0. You can use all of your movement and still Rabbit Hop unrestricted.

Again, having the ability to jump as a Bonus Action does not force the Harengon to use a Bonus Action for every jump. Being able to eat a berry as a Bonus Action does not require a Bonus Action to eat.

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Since there are no Free Actions in the 2024 rules, you have no means to eat the Goodberry outside the type of Action that the spell explicitly provided:

A creature can take a Bonus Action to eat one berry...

This is the explicit you claim doesn't exist. If you want to ignore the rules, by all means, play D&D as you wish. 

The Action that you are trying to say you can eat the berry with doesn't exist in this revision of the rules, as far as I have seen. Even if it did, an Unconscious creature cannot use it anyway. 

The fact that eating is not present explicitly in the non-exhaustive summary for each action means that either eating (whether a berry or a ration), is covered by one of the actions and is not explicitly stated or takes longer than one action. Or are you proposition that characters cannot eat because the action does not exist?

Administering First Aid is a single Help action (which in itself is wild, but this isn't CPR simulator). 

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So if you insist that a Bonus Action is not needed to get the healing or the nourishment, what does eating the berry with a Bonus Action do?

Eat one berry safely in a combat situation.

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So if you insist that a Bonus Action is not needed to get the healing or the nourishment, what does eating the berry with a Bonus Action do?

Eat one berry safely in a combat situation.

 So you use your Bonus Action to eat the berry and nothing happens? Why would anybody do that? What would be the point of making that a feature of the spell?

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So if you insist that a Bonus Action is not needed to get the healing or the nourishment, what does eating the berry with a Bonus Action do?

Eat one berry safely in a combat situation.

 So you use your Bonus Action to eat the berry and nothing happens? Why would anybody do that? What would be the point of making that a feature of the spell?

 That’s useless. If you don’t give the hp boost, what’s the point?

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A Harengon can Jump as a Bonus Action. That doesn't prevent them from jumping normally. Being able to eat as a Bonus Action does not prevent you from eating normally.

Most Bonus Actions are new activities that you could not otherwise do, such as teleporting via Misty Step. For those activities, you cannot substitute another action type for the Bonus Action.

 The trait Rabbit Hop never uses your movement to jump even if you can normally do so, this special action always takes a Bonus Action to jump.

Just like eating doesn't uses any ressource to do so, this special action in Goodberry always takes a Bonus Action to eat.

No general rule let you eat a Goodberry  with a Free Item Interaction or action. It's a specific action in the spell that you otherwise don't have.

If they didn't intended a creature to take a Bonus Action to eat one Goodberry , they would have simply said; 

Ten berries appear in your hand and are infused with magic for the duration. A creature can take a Bonus Action to eat one berry. Eating a berry restores 1 Hit Point, and the berry provides enough nourishment to sustain a creature for one day.

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Rabbit Hop: As a bonus action, you can jump a number of feet ...

Rabbit Hop is, in fact, a jump. It has details that supersede the specifics of the general jump rules, but it is still a jump and some aspects of the jump rules will still apply. Also, you do not need to reserve 5 feet of movement in order to make a Rabbit Hop. Having 0 movement left is not the same as having a speed of 0. You can use all of your movement and still Rabbit Hop unrestricted.

Again, having the ability to jump as a Bonus Action does not force the Harengon to use a Bonus Action for every jump. Being able to eat a berry as a Bonus Action does not require a Bonus Action to eat.

The fact that eating is not present explicitly in the non-exhaustive summary for each action means that either eating (whether a berry or a ration), is covered by one of the actions and is not explicitly stated or takes longer than one action. Or are you proposition that characters cannot eat because the action does not exist?

Administering First Aid is a single Help action (which in itself is wild, but this isn't CPR simulator). 

 

You cannot Rabbit Hop with any Action other than the Bonus Action it states you can use. The same text that is used for Goodberry. Do you think you can use Rabbit Hob as part of your movement? I think you are beginning to paint yourself into a corner here. 

No one said or implied that a Bonus Action is required for every jump. Only the jump as defined in the Rabbit Hop Trait requires the Bonus Action to use.

We are not talking about RAI on this forum. RAW is all that is being discussed. Do you see eating as an option in any of the available Actions? If you want to create Free Actions for the revised rules so you can eat or use Goodberries more freely, please feel free to house rule it. 

The Help Action states the following:

When you take the Help action, you do one of the following.

Assist an Ability Check. Choose one of your skill or tool proficiencies and one ally who is near enough for you to assist verbally or physically when they make an ability check. That ally has Advantage on the next ability check they make with the chosen skill or tool. This benefit expires if the ally doesn’t use it before the start of your next turn. The DM has final say on whether your assistance is possible.

Assist an Attack Roll. You momentarily distract an enemy within 5 feet of you, giving Advantage to the next attack roll by one of your allies against that enemy. This benefit expires at the start of your next turn.

Your comment about administering first aid seems like a Red Herring to me, but nothing about it actually invalidates anything I said about the Help Action. Administering first aid is not actually a Help Action, but an Action to perform a Medicine Check. 

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Rabbit Hop: As a bonus action, you can jump a number of feet ...

Rabbit Hop is, in fact, a jump. It has details that supersede the specifics of the general jump rules, but it is still a jump and some aspects of the jump rules will still apply. Also, you do not need to reserve 5 feet of movement in order to make a Rabbit Hop. Having 0 movement left is not the same as having a speed of 0. You can use all of your movement and still Rabbit Hop unrestricted.

Again, having the ability to jump as a Bonus Action does not force the Harengon to use a Bonus Action for every jump. Being able to eat a berry as a Bonus Action does not require a Bonus Action to eat.

The fact that eating is not present explicitly in the non-exhaustive summary for each action means that either eating (whether a berry or a ration), is covered by one of the actions and is not explicitly stated or takes longer than one action. Or are you proposition that characters cannot eat because the action does not exist?

Administering First Aid is a single Help action (which in itself is wild, but this isn't CPR simulator). 

You cannot Rabbit Hop with any Action other than the Bonus Action it states you can use. The same text that is used for Goodberry. Do you think you can use Rabbit Hob as part of your movement? I think you are beginning to paint yourself into a corner here. 

No one said or implied that a Bonus Action is required for every jump. Only the jump as defined in the Rabbit Hop Trait requires the Bonus Action to use.

Rabbit Hop allows for a jump as a Bonus Action. It does not remove the ability to jump normally.

Goodberry allows for eating as a Bonus Action. It does not remove the ability to eat normally. Saying that you cannot eat a berry outside of the Bonus Action provided by a spell is the same as saying that you cannot jump outside of the Bonus Action provided by a Rabbit Hop.

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The Help Action states the following:

When you take the Help action, you do one of the following.

Assist an Ability Check. Choose one of your skill or tool proficiencies and one ally who is near enough for you to assist verbally or physically when they make an ability check. That ally has Advantage on the next ability check they make with the chosen skill or tool. This benefit expires if the ally doesn’t use it before the start of your next turn. The DM has final say on whether your assistance is possible.

Assist an Attack Roll. You momentarily distract an enemy within 5 feet of you, giving Advantage to the next attack roll by one of your allies against that enemy. This benefit expires at the start of your next turn.

Your comment about administering first aid seems like a Red Herring to me, but nothing about it actually invalidates anything I said about the Help Action. An Ability Check (such as a Medicine Check) qualifies under the Help Action and is one option to remove the Unconscious Condition from a creature. 

Playing the Game > Actions Table (emphasis added)

Help	Help another creature’s ability check or attack roll, or administer first aid.

As a single Help Action, you can administer first aid. This is a crazy short amount of time for the activity, but this is not a simulation. Someone suggested using this as the basis for feeding a berry to another character a berry.

I just ate and I can completely see eating a bite of food normally taking minutes, well beyond the limits of a 6 second action. However, I would also never expect CPR to succeed in 6 seconds so there's that.

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So if you insist that a Bonus Action is not needed to get the healing or the nourishment, what does eating the berry with a Bonus Action do?

Eat one berry safely in a combat situation.

 So you use your Bonus Action to eat the berry and nothing happens? Why would anybody do that? What would be the point of making that a feature of the spell?

What does the spell say happens when you eat a berry, independent of the action taken to do so?

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So if you insist that a Bonus Action is not needed to get the healing or the nourishment, what does eating the berry with a Bonus Action do?

Eat one berry safely in a combat situation.

 So you use your Bonus Action to eat the berry and nothing happens? Why would anybody do that? What would be the point of making that a feature of the spell?

What does the spell say happens when you eat a berry, independent of the action taken to do so?

 According to your interpretation, it does nothing.

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Rabbit Hop allows for a jump as a Bonus Action. It does not remove the ability to jump normally.

Goodberry allows for eating as a Bonus Action. It does not remove the ability to eat normally. Saying that you cannot eat a berry outside of the Bonus Action provided by a spell is the same as saying that you cannot jump outside of the Bonus Action provided by a Rabbit Hop.

 You cannot jump a number of feet equal to five times your proficiency bonus without provoking opportunity attacks outside of the Bonus Action provided by Rabbit Hop.

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Rabbit Hop allows for a jump as a Bonus Action. It does not remove the ability to jump normally.

You are the only one who seems to think that the argument is that Rabbit Hop removes anything. The mechanics of Rabbit Hop are entirely divorced from the mechanics of a regular Jump. In fact,  you have already agreed that it does not use your movement. 

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Goodberry allows for eating as a Bonus Action. It does not remove the ability to eat normally.

What are the mechanics for eating normally?

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Saying that you cannot eat a berry outside of the Bonus Action provided by a spell is the same as saying that you cannot jump outside of the Bonus Action provided by a Rabbit Hop.

Wrong. There are mechanics for normal jumping.

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Playing the Game > Actions Table (emphasis added)

Help	Help another creature’s ability check or attack roll, or administer first aid.

Well, I will admit to not seeing this. Point to you. A Help Action is what you use to perform a Medicine Check when needing to administer first aid.

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Someone suggested using this as the basis for feeding a berry to another character a berry.

And that is not a RAW suggestion, but a house rule, so why are we talking about what some other user suggested? 

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What does the spell say happens when you eat a berry, independent of the action taken to do so?

The only Action available to eat the Goodberry is a Bonus Action, per RAW.

What is your goal here? You don't seem very interested in clarifying RAW, but in inserting and defending some house rule you seem to prefer. Why?