Enspelled Weapons Upcasted Spells

Ideally my fighter will be casting 8th level Conjure Minor Elementals from an Enspelled Weapon

Is this possible Rules As Written?(Does it count a basic 8th level spell for the purpose of casting with a Magic Item)

The Magic Item states:

The spell is determined when the weapon is created and must belong to the Conjuration, Divination, Evocation, Necromancy, or Transmutation school of magic.

So, if the weapon was created using that spell at that level, I think it's fine.

EDIT: but if the weapon was created with Conjure Minor Elementals at 4th level, then you cannot use the spell at 8th level.

Some related posts:

• Ring of Spell Storing - Rules & Game Mechanics
• Enspelled Weapons - Rules & Game Mechanics

Yes normally a spell its cast at its minimun level on an item if the level its not indicated anywhere.

If you create a legendary enspelled weapon of C.M.E. with and 8th lvl slot, then sure, it could work.

All right. It doesn’t work for Enspelled Weapon, but the rules for Ring of Spell Storing allow it. 
Are there any other items that work like Ring of Spell Storing but of a higher level?

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All right. It doesn’t work for Enspelled Weapon, but the rules for Ring of Spell Storing allow it. 
Are there any other items that work like Ring of Spell Storing but of a higher level?

The same rules apply to the Ring of Spell Storing. The level of the spell cast from the ring is the level it was used when originally stored in the ring:

While wearing this ring, you can cast any spell stored in it. The spell uses the slot level, spell save DC, spell attack bonus, and spellcasting ability of the original caster but is otherwise treated as if you cast the spell.

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All right. It doesn’t work for Enspelled Weapon, but the rules for Ring of Spell Storing allow it. 
Are there any other items that work like Ring of Spell Storing but of a higher level?

The same rules apply to the Ring of Spell Storing. The level of the spell cast from the ring is the level it was used when originally stored in the ring:

While wearing this ring, you can cast any spell stored in it. The spell uses the slot level, spell save DC, spell attack bonus, and spellcasting ability of the original caster but is otherwise treated as if you cast the spell.

Yes, but that's not how an Enspelled Weapon gets "enspelled", so that's not relevant here. 

 Fair enough.

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All right. It doesn’t work for Enspelled Weapon, but the rules for Ring of Spell Storing allow it. 
Are there any other items that work like Ring of Spell Storing but of a higher level?

 Nope, and FYI most DMs are probably going to be banning or modifying CME because it is obviously broken. Any DM that would allow a Fighter to be able to cast CME at 8th level in any manner will be heavily HBing the game to make everyone an every monster extremely powerful so just go find one of those and you're good.

Can I just confirm that cantrips that increase in potency based on character level would do so regardless of the user?

So a lvl 5 fighter could use Eldritch Blast with 2 beams?

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Can I just confirm that cantrips that increase in potency based on character level would do so regardless of the user?

 

So a lvl 5 fighter could use Eldritch Blast with 2 beams?

When cast by the Fighter themselves, yes. When cast from an Enspelled Weapon, no, I don't think so. The general rule for spells being cast from items says that the spell "is cast at the lowest possible spell and caster level" unless the item says otherwise, which Enspelled Weapon does not.

 What about crafting a Enspelled Weapon yourself, and using Eldritch Blast at level 5 every day you spend crafting the item?

Similarly to how homemade scrolls are crafted when using Cantrips:

Cantrips
If the scribed spell is a cantrip, the version on the scroll works as if the caster were your level.

Yeah, that's true, but I was thinking about using the Crafting Magic Items from the 2024 DMG:

Spells

If a magic item allows its user to cast any spells from it, you must have all those spells prepared every day you spend crafting the item.

Time and Cost

Crafting a magic item takes an amount of time and money based on the item’s rarity as shown in the Magic Item Crafting Time and Cost table.

It was just a random thought, anyways :D Thanks for your time!

There are magical items that allow spells to be cast at a higher level (e.g., staff of power, staff of the magi).  Given the enspelled item descriptions, I believe it would be DM prerogative whether spells could be stored at an upcast level.  Frankly, you are already dealing with items that effectively allow any caster to cast a spell not on their class list, so this does not feel like a stretch. 

I don’t think Cantrips operate the same way as 1+ Spells. Cantrips automatically do more damage based on the character’s level, and they don’t have an option for casting from a higher spell slot. It’s more so that the caster has so much practice with a 0-Level Spell that they naturally gain proficiency/expertise/mastery with it.

Furthermore, Cantrip strength is based on Character Level, not Caster Level. Just dipping one level into Wizard 1, a Monk 19 would cast any Damaging Cantrip as a Level 20 Character, not a Level 1 Wizard.

Without further direction from WotC, I think a lot of these problems are going to require Homebrew solutions. Guess we will have to wait and see how they handle these things in official campaigns.

Artifacts don’t seem to adopt the “general rule” you pointed out.

https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/dmg-2024/treasure#CraftingMagicItems

Artifacts, Major Benefits, a roll of 51-60:

“While attuned to the Artifact, you can cast one level 4 spell (chosen by the DM) from it. After you cast the spell, roll 1d6. On a roll of 1–5, you can’t cast it again in this way until the next dawn.”

It says nothing about the spell being cast at its lowest level. All it says is “one Level 4 spell.” Regardless of whether a level 4 spell is the lowest level of that spell, it it is an “upcast” version of a lower level spell, a level 4 spell is a level 4 spell.

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Wait, this may be off topic, but can you have a spell scroll of ninth-level conjure minor elementals?

I don't think so, no.

The general rules on casting spells from items say that the spell is cast at its base level unless the item description says otherwise, and the item description for a Spell Scroll does not say otherwise.

 I'm not sure if the question was about crafting or finding a spell scroll in your adventures, but assuming it's about crafting, just to add that spells cast from a homemade scroll use the spell save DC and attack bonus of the crafter. Not relevant for Conjure Minor Elementals, though.

Also, I'd say it's possible to craft an Xth-level Spell Scroll by casting the spell at level X each day of the inscription.

To scribe a scroll, you must have proficiency in the Arcana skill or with Calligrapher’s Supplies and have the spell prepared on each day of the inscription. You must also have at hand any Material components required by the spell; if the spell consumes its Material components, they are consumed only when you complete the scroll. The scroll’s spell uses your spell save DC and spell attack bonus.

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I don't know if I agree with that last part — it doesn't say that you're actually casting the spell each day when you're crafting the scroll, just that you have to have it prepared. It doesn't make any mention of using a spell slot at any point in the process, and you have to actually use a spell slot to upcast something.

 Oh, actually, you're right! I was wrong, mate :)

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Ideally my fighter will be casting 8th level Conjure Minor Elementals from an Enspelled Weapon

Is this possible Rules As Written?(Does it count a basic 8th level spell for the purpose of casting with a Magic Item)

 

While that spell is, in general, eligible for use in that item, there's a general rule about magic items in the Dungeon Master's Guide that says that when a spell is cast from a magic item it is "cast at the lowest possible spell and caster level". This would mean that an Enspelled Weapon would always be casting that particular spell at 4th level.

It's important to remember that "upcasting" is an unofficial term used by the community. The actual concept within the rules is casting "with a higher level spell slot", and so you have to actually use a higher level spell slot to get those benefits. They generally don't apply when you cast a spell without using a spell slot at all.

 You are not including the entire quote, so your information is misleading. You can, in fact, have an enspelled weapon cast a spell at a higher level. 

"The spell is cast at the lowest possible spell and caster level, doesn't expend any of the user's spell slots, and requires no components unless the item's description notes otherwise."

RAW allow for the DM to create a weapon with a higher level spell. The DM is the author of the item's description and I think it wouldn't make very much sense to limit spells on weapons in this manner, especially when you consider that casting spells at a higher level most often results in lower damage output anyway.

EDIT: I think it is written in the manner in which it is so it is assumed, on default, that the spell is cast at the lowest level. That does not preclude it from being a higher level. It is a matter of eliminating as much possible confusion as possible.