In dnd5e, the spell "Find Familiar" allows the player to use a bonus action to switch their vision to the Familiar, but the player's character is "Blinded" and "Deafened". However, in dnd5.5e, the textual description of this restriction seems to disappear, does this mean that I can keep both my own vision and the vision provided by the pet, for example, I can hide a bat in my coat pocket so that I can have a permanent 60 'blind vision per turn? I find it incredible and outrageous
In dnd5e, the spell "Find Familiar" allows the player to use a bonus action to switch their vision to the Familiar, but the player's character is "Blinded" and "Deafened". However, in dnd5.5e, the textual description of this restriction seems to disappear, does this mean that I can keep both my own vision and the vision provided by the pet, for example, I can hide a bat in my coat pocket so that I can have a permanent 60 'blind vision per turn? I find it incredible and outrageous
The 2024 version of Find Familiar did remove that restriction, yes. And yes, you can use the Bat option to effectively give yourself Blindsight. It won't work if you keep the bat in your pocket, though, since Blindsight doesn't work through total cover.
Keep in mind that you need to use a bonus action every turn to keep it going.
I don't think it's incredible or outrageous. It's magic; it's supposed to do amazing things.
Also if they're in your space, then expect the first AoE to come your way to poof them until you have a chance to cast the spell and spend the components again. Plus, it's honestly a fair call for the DM to not let the shared vision be effective for combat.
I doubt that many DM's would make the shared vision unusable in combat. There are a lot more potent and useful things you could be doing with your bonus action every round, so using up your bonus action on the shared senses could, in many encounters, not really be a good strategy. Once in a while, something like Blindsight might come in handy, but often enough it won't really help you.
I doubt that many DM's would make the shared vision unusable in combat. There are a lot more potent and useful things you could be doing with your bonus action every round, so using up your bonus action on the shared senses could, in many encounters, not really be a good strategy. Once in a while, something like Blindsight might come in handy, but often enough it won't really help you.
Depends on the setup a bit- any class can snag Find Familiar at creation since Magic Initiate is an Origin Feat. Sword and board or most ranged setups don't have many standard Bonus Actions they can default to. I won't say the concept is completely broken, but it's relying on favorably interpolating what isn't said in the description, so it's a fair ball to nix that if the DM feels someone is pulling too much of a gimmick setup with it.
I always find it wild what people want to randomly find fault with.
I do not know if it is said explicitly in 5.5e, but in 3.5e it was very clear that any object on your person cannot be harmed unless some some effect says so plainly, or the object is particularly vulnerable (like TNT sticks in a Fireball, for example).
It is clear IMplicitly that this is the case in 5.5e since you do not have to roll saving throws for each piece of gear you are wearing unless something attacks it specifically.
The bat could not be in your pocket because it has the Echolocation trait and will be deafened there. But you can wear your bat and it will be fine unless someone decides to specifically attack the bat.
Summoning a familiar, feeding it and keeping it alive, and spending a bonus action is a lot of resources to think borrowing blindsight is broken, my friend. That's an intentional use. A level 3 Thief can use a bonus action to use a Wand of Fireballs. Giving the action up to see in the dark is no small sacrifice.
Okay, but a familiar is not an object, it’s a creature. Ergo, the argument that because something doesn’t happen to objects it shouldn’t happen to a creature is something of a non sequitur. Also, one niche example of an unfavorable opportunity cost doesn’t disprove the idea that say a Champion using this arrangement can realize substantial gains at little to no cost.
Okay, but a familiar is not an object, it’s a creature. Ergo, the argument that because something doesn’t happen to objects it shouldn’t happen to a creature is something of a non sequitur. Also, one niche example of an unfavorable opportunity cost doesn’t disprove the idea that say a Champion using this arrangement can realize substantial gains at little to no cost.
A feat is not little-to-no-cost. Even an origin feat is valuable.
I can't believe you're arguing a DM is justified in stripping an explicitly-granted benefit. (Access to the familiar's senses is literally the only reason to pick up find familiar with a feat).
The bat could not be in your pocket because it has the Echolocation trait and will be deafened there. But you can wear your bat and it will be fine unless someone decides to specifically attack the bat.
They actually streamlined stats in 2024, so bats no longer have the echolocation trait. They just get blindsight 60'. I mean, I agree, a bat needs to be able to 'speak' and hear to know where things are, but RAW, there's no game mechanics for that anymore.
That said, you could always keep a crab familiar in a pouch, and get its 30' blindsight. It's definitely not echo-location.
In dnd5e, the spell "Find Familiar" allows the player to use a bonus action to switch their vision to the Familiar, but the player's character is "Blinded" and "Deafened".
However, in dnd5.5e, the textual description of this restriction seems to disappear, does this mean that I can keep both my own vision and the vision provided by the pet, for example, I can hide a bat in my coat pocket so that I can have a permanent 60 'blind vision per turn?
I find it incredible and outrageous
The 2024 version of Find Familiar did remove that restriction, yes. And yes, you can use the Bat option to effectively give yourself Blindsight. It won't work if you keep the bat in your pocket, though, since Blindsight doesn't work through total cover.
Keep in mind that you need to use a bonus action every turn to keep it going.
I don't think it's incredible or outrageous. It's magic; it's supposed to do amazing things.
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Also if they're in your space, then expect the first AoE to come your way to poof them until you have a chance to cast the spell and spend the components again. Plus, it's honestly a fair call for the DM to not let the shared vision be effective for combat.
I doubt that many DM's would make the shared vision unusable in combat. There are a lot more potent and useful things you could be doing with your bonus action every round, so using up your bonus action on the shared senses could, in many encounters, not really be a good strategy. Once in a while, something like Blindsight might come in handy, but often enough it won't really help you.
Depends on the setup a bit- any class can snag Find Familiar at creation since Magic Initiate is an Origin Feat. Sword and board or most ranged setups don't have many standard Bonus Actions they can default to. I won't say the concept is completely broken, but it's relying on favorably interpolating what isn't said in the description, so it's a fair ball to nix that if the DM feels someone is pulling too much of a gimmick setup with it.
I always find it wild what people want to randomly find fault with.
I do not know if it is said explicitly in 5.5e, but in 3.5e it was very clear that any object on your person cannot be harmed unless some some effect says so plainly, or the object is particularly vulnerable (like TNT sticks in a Fireball, for example).
It is clear IMplicitly that this is the case in 5.5e since you do not have to roll saving throws for each piece of gear you are wearing unless something attacks it specifically.
The bat could not be in your pocket because it has the Echolocation trait and will be deafened there. But you can wear your bat and it will be fine unless someone decides to specifically attack the bat.
Summoning a familiar, feeding it and keeping it alive, and spending a bonus action is a lot of resources to think borrowing blindsight is broken, my friend. That's an intentional use. A level 3 Thief can use a bonus action to use a Wand of Fireballs. Giving the action up to see in the dark is no small sacrifice.
Okay, but a familiar is not an object, it’s a creature. Ergo, the argument that because something doesn’t happen to objects it shouldn’t happen to a creature is something of a non sequitur. Also, one niche example of an unfavorable opportunity cost doesn’t disprove the idea that say a Champion using this arrangement can realize substantial gains at little to no cost.
A feat is not little-to-no-cost. Even an origin feat is valuable.
I can't believe you're arguing a DM is justified in stripping an explicitly-granted benefit. (Access to the familiar's senses is literally the only reason to pick up find familiar with a feat).
They actually streamlined stats in 2024, so bats no longer have the echolocation trait. They just get blindsight 60'. I mean, I agree, a bat needs to be able to 'speak' and hear to know where things are, but RAW, there's no game mechanics for that anymore.
That said, you could always keep a crab familiar in a pouch, and get its 30' blindsight. It's definitely not echo-location.