But should’nt you read the ”whatever you are trying to perceive” as ”what ever object you are trying to percive”, instead of ”how you percive it” or ”in what manner you percive it”?
I am still in doubt about whether or not a creature with both normal sight and Blindsight can be affected by the Blinded condition from a spell such as Blindness/Deafness. Logically I don't think it makes sense, but by RAW I am not so sure...
Here's how I would rule it:
If a creature has normal sight and Blindsight and is then given the blindness condition it would automatically fails any ability check that requires sight of something outside of the range of Blindsight, attack rolls against the creature would have advantage if made from outside the range of Blindsight, and the creature's attack rolls have disadvantage if it's trying to attack something outside the range of Blindsight.
At my table, if a creature has normal sight and blindsight (like a bat for instance), they are going to be immune from the negative effects of the blinded condition up to the range of their blindsight.
You can't blind a target that is already blind. Blind sight is like blind sense but a larger area so its also safe to assume that an invisible creature is still seen. Thats the whole point of blind sight and its range. Now blindness/deafness could work if the creatures sight is dependent on sound i forget where it is mentioned but it is if I remember correctly. Now if the creature uses some form of tremor sense then a flying creature renders it blind. If it uses other means other things could work or not. Its best to use your own judgment On certain things remember as a dm your word is final on anything unclear, And even if it is you can plot armor it cuz your the dm.
For all intents and purposes, we treat it as a magical sense; because as far as is described, and to our knowledge, there is no sensory organ that can achieve what is stated.
There's no real-world equivalent that can accurately cover or relate exactly a description of how it is accomplished.
Maybe the Heat sensory pits of pythons, boas, and pit vipers combined with chemosensory smell/taste of the vomeronasal organ.
But do twig blights have organs? Probably not, so it's easier to think of it as a magical sense.
Could dragons have what I just described, sure; However, that's not a level of nit-picking we find enjoyable at our table. To each their own.
We have approximations with tremorsense, echolocation, maybe lizard heat sense, so that's what we say for fluff.
If we look at the new sourcebook: Fizban's Treasury of Dragons, it includes a paragraph that explicitly mentions that you can be under the blinded condition while having blindsight, at least in the context of the new monk subclass: Way of the Ascendant Dragon. It explicitly addresses the first bullet point of the condition, but unfortunately doesn't address whether or not the 2nd bullet point of the blinded condition is affected.
Blindsight. You gain blindsight out to 10 feet. Within that range, you can effectively see anything that isn’t behind total cover, even if you’re blinded or in darkness. Moreover, you can see an invisible creature within that range, unless the creature successfully hides from you.
Okay, i realize that this thread is ages old,but I have a Bugbear character who has blindsight through the mystical bond she has with a severed head. Specifically the severed head of the Kenku that pecked out her eyes in "an honorable battle of epic proportions", who's skull she now wears as a hat. Bugbears are weird.
The rouge would not still have disadvantage to hit the invisible creature as the reason for disadvantage is because the rouge dosen't know where the creature is where as Blindsense explicitly states if they are within 10 feet of the rouge it knows the location of the invisible creature thus negating the disadvantage
The rouge would not still have disadvantage to hit the invisible creature as the reason for disadvantage is because the rouge dosen't know where the creature is where as Blindsense explicitly states if they are within 10 feet of the rouge it knows the location of the invisible creature thus negating the disadvantage
The reason for attacking with disadvantage is because you can't see the target, as per Unseen Attackers and Targets rules and the invisible condition itself, not because you don't know their location, so Blindsenses shouldn't remove it.
The rouge would not still have disadvantage to hit the invisible creature as the reason for disadvantage is because the rouge dosen't know where the creature is where as Blindsense explicitly states if they are within 10 feet of the rouge it knows the location of the invisible creature thus negating the disadvantage
The reason for attacking with disadvantage is because you can't see the target, as per Unseen Attackers and Targets rules and the invisible condition itself, not because you don't know their location, so Blindsenses shouldn't remove it.
Wouldn't you consider blindsense to be a special sense that negates the invisible condition per its description? Or would you reserve that distinction for blindsight?
The rouge would not still have disadvantage to hit the invisible creature as the reason for disadvantage is because the rouge dosen't know where the creature is where as Blindsense explicitly states if they are within 10 feet of the rouge it knows the location of the invisible creature thus negating the disadvantage
The reason for attacking with disadvantage is because you can't see the target, as per Unseen Attackers and Targets rules and the invisible condition itself, not because you don't know their location, so Blindsenses shouldn't remove it.
Wouldn't you consider blindsense to be a special sense that negates the invisible condition per its description? Or would you reserve that distinction for blindsight?
No i would not since it doesn't say it negates the invisible condition, simply that you are aware of the location of any hidden or invisible creature within 10 feet of you, which is different than being able to perceive It like blindsight does.
I for sure think Blindsight is better than darkvision, its harder to get and almost always has a smaller radius, pairing it with darkvision though could make a character that's really hard to blind
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But should’nt you read the ”whatever you are trying to perceive” as ”what ever object you are trying to percive”, instead of ”how you percive it” or ”in what manner you percive it”?
Here's how I would rule it:
If a creature has normal sight and Blindsight and is then given the blindness condition it would automatically fails any ability check that requires sight of something outside of the range of Blindsight, attack rolls against the creature would have advantage if made from outside the range of Blindsight, and the creature's attack rolls have disadvantage if it's trying to attack something outside the range of Blindsight.
At my table, if a creature has normal sight and blindsight (like a bat for instance), they are going to be immune from the negative effects of the blinded condition up to the range of their blindsight.
"Not all those who wander are lost"
Sage advice posted this.
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It's official that Rouge blindsense overpowers invisible status.
You can't blind a target that is already blind. Blind sight is like blind sense but a larger area so its also safe to assume that an invisible creature is still seen. Thats the whole point of blind sight and its range. Now blindness/deafness could work if the creatures sight is dependent on sound i forget where it is mentioned but it is if I remember correctly. Now if the creature uses some form of tremor sense then a flying creature renders it blind. If it uses other means other things could work or not. Its best to use your own judgment On certain things remember as a dm your word is final on anything unclear, And even if it is you can plot armor it cuz your the dm.
https://www.dndbeyond.com/monsters/twig-blight
They are immune to blind and deafened conditions.
For all intents and purposes, we treat it as a magical sense; because as far as is described, and to our knowledge, there is no sensory organ that can achieve what is stated.
There's no real-world equivalent that can accurately cover or relate exactly a description of how it is accomplished.
Maybe the Heat sensory pits of pythons, boas, and pit vipers combined with chemosensory smell/taste of the vomeronasal organ.
But do twig blights have organs? Probably not, so it's easier to think of it as a magical sense.
Could dragons have what I just described, sure; However, that's not a level of nit-picking we find enjoyable at our table. To each their own.
We have approximations with tremorsense, echolocation, maybe lizard heat sense, so that's what we say for fluff.
If we look at the new sourcebook: Fizban's Treasury of Dragons, it includes a paragraph that explicitly mentions that you can be under the blinded condition while having blindsight, at least in the context of the new monk subclass: Way of the Ascendant Dragon. It explicitly addresses the first bullet point of the condition, but unfortunately doesn't address whether or not the 2nd bullet point of the blinded condition is affected.
Okay, i realize that this thread is ages old,but I have a Bugbear character who has blindsight through the mystical bond she has with a severed head.
Specifically the severed head of the Kenku that pecked out her eyes in "an honorable battle of epic proportions", who's skull she now wears as a hat.
Bugbears are weird.
The rouge would not still have disadvantage to hit the invisible creature as the reason for disadvantage is because the rouge dosen't know where the creature is where as Blindsense explicitly states if they are within 10 feet of the rouge it knows the location of the invisible creature thus negating the disadvantage
Yah I see that. But could a character have blindsight starting out if he was blind and if he could what range do you think he would have.
The reason for attacking with disadvantage is because you can't see the target, as per Unseen Attackers and Targets rules and the invisible condition itself, not because you don't know their location, so Blindsenses shouldn't remove it.
The feature granting Blindsight sense usually provide a radius.
I dont know but the monk feature gives you like 60 but they already have it.
Wouldn't you consider blindsense to be a special sense that negates the invisible condition per its description? Or would you reserve that distinction for blindsight?
"Not all those who wander are lost"
No i would not since it doesn't say it negates the invisible condition, simply that you are aware of the location of any hidden or invisible creature within 10 feet of you, which is different than being able to perceive It like blindsight does.
Research Daredevil dude
I know I just started watching it and reading comics it’s pretty great.
I for sure think Blindsight is better than darkvision, its harder to get and almost always has a smaller radius, pairing it with darkvision though could make a character that's really hard to blind