These would be excellent counterpoints against referring to the equipment section to ensure you are capable of casting the spell, however, spells with these items as spell components don't consume them and their cost would be typically subsumed by the cost of a Component Pouch or Spellcasting Focus. Whether they have value or not is irrelevant if the default assumption is that you would use one of those methods for having the ability to cast the spell.
That's not true, though.
Create Homunculus uses "clay, ash, and mandrake root, all of which the spell consumes" without a set cost.
Globe of Invulnerability uses "a glass or crystal bead that shatters when the spell ends", which doesn't specifically say "which the spell consumes", but if it is destroyed at the end I feel like that is pretty much the same thing.
friends uses "a small amount of makeup applied to the face", which doesn't specifically say that it is consumed, but then that means we're assuming the makeup is recovered from the face?
protection from evil and good has "holy water or powdered silver and iron, which the spell consumes" with no associated cost.
These all have components which are consumed, with no specified cost. As they are consumed, they would not be able to use a Component Pouch or Focus with them, correct?
Globe of Invulnerability uses "a glass or crystal bead that shatters when the spell ends", which doesn't specifically say "which the spell consumes", but if it is destroyed at the end I feel like that is pretty much the same thing.
In the context of the 2014 rules, that is a fair take. In 2024, it is a glass bead and is no longer shattered.
friends uses "a small amount of makeup applied to the face", which doesn't specifically say that it is consumed, but then that means we're assuming the makeup is recovered from the face?
Again, this a fair take in 2014, but in 2024, you no longer need to do anything with the makeup other than possess it.
No, it isn't. The material component is the same as Protection from Evil and Good in 2014, but it is not consumed. In 2024, it is just the powdered silver and iron.
These all have components which are consumed, with no specified cost. As they are consumed, they would not be able to use a Component Pouch or Focus with them, correct?
Correct for Create Homunculus in 2024 and others in 2014. But that's part of my point. When the components are not consumed and don't have a cost, the default assumption is that the component cost would be subsumed by a Component Pouch. When there is a cost, the default assumption is that you can buy the material component; it has a price. What is the default assumption for making sure that you can cast these other spells?
Snare is complicated because it is a 2014 spell and in 2024, two items were consolidated and now the new item coincidentally has the same name as the spell component. However, it's not a far stretch to apply the same logic in 2014. Still, I personally will be focusing on the 2014 spell in the 2024 context.
What is the default before applying DM/table rules?
Component is not consumed, and has no cost listed in the spell description: it may be replaced by a focus or component pouch.
Component is not consumed, and has a cost listed in the spell description: the exact component must be provided, and if purchased at fair market value, must cost at least the listed amount.
Component is consumed, and has no cost listed in the spell description: the exact component must be provided. If purchased, any item matching that matches the listed component may be used; a 'standard' item costs whatever it costs in the equipment tables, any other item costs whatever the DM says it costs.
Component is consumed, and has a cost listed in the spell description: the exact component must be provided, and if purchased at fair market value, must cost at least the listed amount.
Snare fits cleanly in 3: you have to provide the component, but there's no requirement for it to have any specific cost.
Regarding Cordon of Arrows, given that it specifically tags the items in Beyond, you’re really stretching RAW as well as RAI to say that a Component Pouch or Focus will spontaneously produce them.
I didn't read this answer before posting, but I agree Cordon of Arrows is different for the same reason I was commenting. In this case, the components are mentioned and used in the spell's effect.
I've just realized that there's a difference between the 2024/5.5e Cordon of Arrows in DDB (the spell page) and the 2024/5.5e PHB (both physical and digital) for the Material component.
I guess it's a bug in DDB, since the spell didn't receive errata.
I've just realized that there's a difference between the 2024/5.5e Cordon of Arrows in DDB (the spell page) and the 2024/5.5e PHB (both physical and digital) for the Material component.
I guess it's a bug in DDB, since the spell didn't receive errata.
That's quite interesting tbh. Really begs the question of why it differs.
I've just realized that there's a difference between the 2024/5.5e Cordon of Arrows in DDB (the spell page) and the 2024/5.5e PHB (both physical and digital) for the Material component.
I guess it's a bug in DDB, since the spell didn't receive errata.
That's quite interesting tbh. Really begs the question of why it differs.
There have been a variety of issues like this that suggest that the compendium pages for the 5.5e spells were initially created by copying and pasting content from the corresponding 5e versions and then updated after the fact, with little oversights like this occasionally slipping through.
This may be an artifact of needing to do it in something of a rush — you will probably recall that their original plan was to only have the 5.5e versions of spells available, and they walked that back after a huge backlash.
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That's not true, though.
Create Homunculus uses "clay, ash, and mandrake root, all of which the spell consumes" without a set cost.
Globe of Invulnerability uses "a glass or crystal bead that shatters when the spell ends", which doesn't specifically say "which the spell consumes", but if it is destroyed at the end I feel like that is pretty much the same thing.
friends uses "a small amount of makeup applied to the face", which doesn't specifically say that it is consumed, but then that means we're assuming the makeup is recovered from the face?
protection from evil and good has "holy water or powdered silver and iron, which the spell consumes" with no associated cost.
This is also true of dispel evil and good.
These all have components which are consumed, with no specified cost. As they are consumed, they would not be able to use a Component Pouch or Focus with them, correct?
Oh. Fair, I guess the only component there with a cost is the dagger and it is not consumed.
In the context of the 2014 rules, that is a fair take. In 2024, it is a glass bead and is no longer shattered.
Again, this a fair take in 2014, but in 2024, you no longer need to do anything with the makeup other than possess it.
In 2014, holy water puts it in a similar boat as snare. In 2024, it has a 25+ GP cost.
No, it isn't. The material component is the same as Protection from Evil and Good in 2014, but it is not consumed. In 2024, it is just the powdered silver and iron.
Correct for Create Homunculus in 2024 and others in 2014. But that's part of my point. When the components are not consumed and don't have a cost, the default assumption is that the component cost would be subsumed by a Component Pouch. When there is a cost, the default assumption is that you can buy the material component; it has a price. What is the default assumption for making sure that you can cast these other spells?
Snare is complicated because it is a 2014 spell and in 2024, two items were consolidated and now the new item coincidentally has the same name as the spell component. However, it's not a far stretch to apply the same logic in 2014. Still, I personally will be focusing on the 2014 spell in the 2024 context.
What is the default before applying DM/table rules?
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My houserulings.
There are four basic cases for spell components:
Snare fits cleanly in 3: you have to provide the component, but there's no requirement for it to have any specific cost.
I've just realized that there's a difference between the 2024/5.5e Cordon of Arrows in DDB (the spell page) and the 2024/5.5e PHB (both physical and digital) for the Material component.
I guess it's a bug in DDB, since the spell didn't receive errata.
That's quite interesting tbh. Really begs the question of why it differs.
The 2024 PHB has it as "(an ornamental braid)".
The DDB pages for Cordon of Arrows and Cordon of Arrows has it as "(four or more arrows or bolts)".
The 2014 PHB has it as "(four or more arrows or bolts)".
There have been a variety of issues like this that suggest that the compendium pages for the 5.5e spells were initially created by copying and pasting content from the corresponding 5e versions and then updated after the fact, with little oversights like this occasionally slipping through.
This may be an artifact of needing to do it in something of a rush — you will probably recall that their original plan was to only have the 5.5e versions of spells available, and they walked that back after a huge backlash.
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