why, there is no RAW and if i were to allow this feat which I wouldn't I'd let it work equally for a wizard as it does a warlock an entire cantrip of damage on a both targets. Warlocks give up a absolute crap ton of casting power to be the best cantrip slinger out there, a single feat letting a wizard trump them in their specialty does not sit well with me.
Not all options need to be equally optimal for all classes.
why, there is no RAW and if i were to allow this feat which I wouldn't I'd let it work equally for a wizard as it does a warlock an entire cantrip of damage on a both targets. Warlocks give up a absolute crap ton of casting power to be the best cantrip slinger out there, a single feat letting a wizard trump them in their specialty does not sit well with me.
Not all options need to be equally optimal for all classes.
There is a difference imo between just not equally optimal and one feat letting a class trump another class in its specialty.
Your wording is slightly wrong. You do not get "additional targets". You only ever get one target per "ray", but what you really mean is attack role. You get additional rays or additional attack roles. Each one only ever gets one target. Whenver you speak on about how many targets you get, it is based on how many attack rolls you get or AOE. So if I roll an attack role once, but can hit two targets, now I have an additional target. If I have to roll a second time to hit another target, I do not get an additional target, I only got one target, which was different from the first target, from the same cantrip.
You seem to be confusing the targets of the beam with the target of the spell. The Spell has 1 to 4 targets, depending on level. The method by which the spell targets creatures is the beams it produces. In the case of other spells, the spell will define how you decide the spell targets. In some cases, that's all creatures in an area of effect, the creatures you choose in an area of effect, one or more creatures in range, or something else. Sometimes the spell effect does not target creatures. There are general trends but each spell defines the target or targets of the spell.
No confusing. 2024 is specific on it's definitions.
Target
A target is the creature or object targeted by an attack roll, forced to make a saving throw by an effect, or selected to receive the effects of a spell or another phenomenon.
There is no such thing as "targeted by a spell" The definition is RAW strait from the players hand book. It is clear. A target is defined as being targeted by an attack roll. In the case of Eldritch blast, you must use this rule. It does not force a saving through, and you are not selecting targets to receive the effects of a spell, which would be any spell that needs no attack roll or saving throw, such as cure wounds.
You can go homebrew if you like, but RAW is very clear as to the definition of TARGET.
A target is the creature or object targeted by an attack roll, forced to make a saving throw by an effect, or selected to receive the effects of a spell or another phenomenon.
There is no such thing as "targeted by a spell" The definition is RAW strait from the players hand book. It is clear. A target is defined as being targeted by an attack roll. In the case of Eldritch blast, you must use this rule. It does not force a saving through, and you are not selecting targets to receive the effects of a spell, which would be any spell that needs no attack roll or saving throw, such as cure wounds.
You can go homebrew if you like, but RAW is very clear as to the definition of TARGET.
You've mangled the quote to make unclear what I said versus what you said, but no, you are still incorrect.
A spell has an effect which may result in a creature being targeted by that spell. This can be an explicit target (such as Cure Wounds, which has a creature as a target with saving throw or attack roll). It can be a creature forced to make a saving throw. It can be a creature targeted by an attack roll. It can be a creature included in an Area of Effect. Any of these conditions creates a scenario where a creature is targeted by the spell.
Each spell that can target creatures has specific mechanics as to how it determines if a creature is targeted. Let's say you cast Acid Splash. Every creature in the AoE is technically a target. If there is only one creature you have technically targeted only one creature and Dual Target is eligible to be used. Does that allow you to create a second AoE to target another creature or do you have to select an additional target from the original AoE?
You don't get a new casting of the spell at a second target, you get an additional target within the spell's effects, however the original spell targets creatures. For an AoE, it's creatures with the AoE. For Eldritch Blast, it's with beams. You get an (one) additional target which means you get an (one) additional beam.
War Caster has a similar problem, but since it requires spells to be cast at a creature, spells cast at a point (such as many AoEs) are excluded automatically.
You can go homebrew if you like, but you should understand RAW first. It's harder in this case, because we are talking about a third-party product which is already just one-step removed from homebrew already.
Not all options need to be equally optimal for all classes.
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There is a difference imo between just not equally optimal and one feat letting a class trump another class in its specialty.
Which this doesn't do.
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You've mangled the quote to make unclear what I said versus what you said, but no, you are still incorrect.
A spell has an effect which may result in a creature being targeted by that spell. This can be an explicit target (such as Cure Wounds, which has a creature as a target with saving throw or attack roll). It can be a creature forced to make a saving throw. It can be a creature targeted by an attack roll. It can be a creature included in an Area of Effect. Any of these conditions creates a scenario where a creature is targeted by the spell.
Each spell that can target creatures has specific mechanics as to how it determines if a creature is targeted. Let's say you cast Acid Splash. Every creature in the AoE is technically a target. If there is only one creature you have technically targeted only one creature and Dual Target is eligible to be used. Does that allow you to create a second AoE to target another creature or do you have to select an additional target from the original AoE?
You don't get a new casting of the spell at a second target, you get an additional target within the spell's effects, however the original spell targets creatures. For an AoE, it's creatures with the AoE. For Eldritch Blast, it's with beams. You get an (one) additional target which means you get an (one) additional beam.
War Caster has a similar problem, but since it requires spells to be cast at a creature, spells cast at a point (such as many AoEs) are excluded automatically.
You can go homebrew if you like, but you should understand RAW first. It's harder in this case, because we are talking about a third-party product which is already just one-step removed from homebrew already.
How to add Tooltips.
My houserulings.