Monstrous Compendium Vol. 1: Spelljammer Creatures
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Apologies for the newbie question, but Pact of the Tome specifically states that its spells count as warlock spells, but the other invocations that grant spells don't specify that. For example, Silent Image is not normally on the warlock spell list, but it can be obtained via warlock invocation. Does that make it a "warlock spell" for other purposes?
A strict reading of the rules would say no, since there's nothing there saying it makes it a Warlock spell. There's a rule saying that if a feature grants a spell as "always prepared" then it counts as a Warlock spell, but the invocations (kind of pointedly) do not use the term "always prepared".
The problem with this is that technically if they're not Warlock spells, there's no rule telling you which spellcasting ability to use for them, or enabling you to use a spellcasting focus with the ones that have material components, since both of those parts of the Pact Magic feature explicitly only apply to Warlock spells. Thus it seems extremely unlikely that that's the intended interpretation.
In my experience, regardless of what the rules technically say, pretty much everyone just treats them as though they count as Warlock spells and calls it a day.
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I treat them as Warlock spells.
I count them as Warlock Spells because they specifically call them "Warlock Spells". Normal eldritch invocations such as Armor of Shadows or something gives a spell you can use without expending a spell slot or material components, whereas additional spells from "Pact of the Tome" use your pact slots, unless I'm misinterpreting the rulings.
For example normal Invocations, they work like
featscantrips. If you have "Fey Touched" as well, you can use a spell slot as your warlock spell,cast a bonus action cantrip, use an eldritch invocation, use misty step from fey touched and use the spell from fey touched, all in the same turn, since in the 2024 rules you are only using a single spell slot.No they don't. As noted in the OP, only Pact of the Tome uses that wording, not any of the other Invocations which was the whole reason for the question. These other Invocations do not count as Warlock spells unless the spell appears on the Warlock Spell List.
These Invocations don't say anything about not requiring material components so they do not provide that feature.
No they don't. Feats and Invocations each specify their own methods for casting Spells. Feats generally declare that the spell is always prepared and/or counts as a class spell. Invocations don't do that.
The rest of your example is likely to run into action economy limitations.
It looks like the two spells where this could come into play, assuming that these spells do not appear on the Warlock Spell List, are Disguise Self and Silent Image because you have to be able to calculate your Spell Save DC. We might apply the rule from casting from a magic item without a spellcasting ability by setting the modifier to +0, but it's probably more correct to just say that you don't have a Spell Save DC when casting these spells in this manner, which slightly nerfs these spells, which is fine. If an enemy decides to take the Study action to examine these illusions they just automatically succeed in detecting them.
For the first part of your reply, i didn't word it properly. I meant that warlock invocations from pact of the tome work like that. Normal invocations can be cast without using a spell slots while invocations, like feats that let you cast a once-per-day spell, let you cast them at will without expending a spell slot or material components like cantrips. The extra spells you get from Pact of the Tome act like normal spells you need to expend pact slots to use.
However, i did make a mistake, you would only be able to use a spell slot as an action or bonus action when you use an invocation at will. (Essentially replacing a cantrip with an invocation)
Interesting -- neither the physical book nor the DNDBeyond text for the Warlock class matches with what you are quoting for Armor of Shadows or Misty Visions with respect to bypassing the need for material components. Are you sure you are not accidentally accessing the 2014 version of these rules?
I think this agrees with what you've just said, but just in case . . . even in 2014 the term "at will" did not mean "no action required". For spellcasting, it generally just meant that the spell can be cast without a spell slot and without any special spell preparation procedures, such as how cantrips work. To cast a cantrip, for example, you still have to expend whichever type of action is required by the spell description. In 2024, this term has mostly been eliminated although it does come up often in the Monster Manual as a category of things that a creature can do with its action (whichever action type it's listed under). Again, this generally refers to casting a spell without a spell slot.
Yeah, that screenshot is definitely of a 5e Warlock. You can also tell by how it's listed as a 2nd level feature; Eldritch Invocations is granted at 1st level in 5.5e.
The "without material components" was removed from all the spell-granting invocations in 5.5e, and the character sheet and character builder do reflect that if you're actually using the 5.5e Warlock class.
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