I'm trying to determine whether the following interaction allows casting a blade cantrip three times in one turn.
Relevant Features
Spellblade Feat (Valda's Spire of Secrets, p. 2) – Arcane Strike
When you take the Attack action on your turn, you can replace one of the attacks with casting Arc Blade, Burning Blade, Frigid Blade, or True Strike.
Haste
The target gains an additional action each turn. This action can only be used for the Attack (one attack only), Dash, Disengage, Hide, or Utilize action.
College of Valor Bard (Level 6) – Extra Attack
You can attack twice instead of once whenever you take the Attack action on your turn.
In addition, you can cast one of your cantrips with a casting time of one action in place of one of those attacks.
Proposed Sequence
Attack action (Extra Attack):
Replace one attack with a blade cantrip using the Valor Bard feature.
Replace the second attack with a blade cantrip using Arcane Strike.
Haste action (Attack):
Take the hasted Attack action (limited to one attack).
Replace that attack with a blade cantrip using Arcane Strike, since it triggers whenever you take the Attack action.
Question
Does this allow you to cast three blade cantrips in the same turn?
My reasoning is that Haste grants a separate Attack action, so Arcane Strike would trigger again for that action, even though it only includes one attack. Is that interpretation correct?
When I DM abilities like War Magic, Arcane Strike and Extra Attack don't stack. They all say you can replace one attack per action, and once you do it that's it for that Action.
Personally, I'd rule that each feature can only replace one attack per turn with a cantrip. So you couldn't double-dip on Arcane Strike, even with Haste
(Then again, I wouldn't be allowing anything from Valda's at my table anyway, but the principle would apply on a multiclass)
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Active characters:
Edoumiaond Willegume "Eddie" Podslee, Vegetanian scholar (College of Spirits bard) Lan Kidogo, mapach archaeologist and treasure hunter (Knowledge cleric) Peter "the Pied Piper" Hausler, human con artist/remover of vermin (Circle of the Shepherd druid) PIPA - Planar Interception/Protection Aeormaton, warforged bodyguard and ex-wizard hunter (Warrior of the Elements monk/Cartographer artificer) Xhekhetiel, halfling survivor of a Betrayer Gods cult (Runechild sorcerer/fighter)
Greetings everyone,
I'm trying to determine whether the following interaction allows casting a blade cantrip three times in one turn.
Relevant Features
Spellblade Feat (Valda's Spire of Secrets, p. 2) – Arcane Strike
Haste
College of Valor Bard (Level 6) – Extra Attack
Proposed Sequence
Question
Does this allow you to cast three blade cantrips in the same turn?
My reasoning is that Haste grants a separate Attack action, so Arcane Strike would trigger again for that action, even though it only includes one attack. Is that interpretation correct?
Yes, you can do that.
You can also just ask questions without running it through an AI tool first.
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Maybe? The "one attack only" clause in haste can be argued as forbidding replacing that attack with casting a spell.
hahahah I just used it to organize my thoughts to be more concise and easy to understand.
I kinda think if that were the intent, it'd be stated more explicitly somewhere.
But when it comes to actual play I'm very much a "Rule of Cool" DM, so.
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I would lay odds on "we didn't think about that interaction at all".
When I DM abilities like War Magic, Arcane Strike and Extra Attack don't stack. They all say you can replace one attack per action, and once you do it that's it for that Action.
Haste is allowed because it's a different Action.
Just adding similar ways of casting several cantrips per turn:
WM = War Magic; IWM = Improved WM
Indeed amazing and if u add the feat Spell Blade u add another Cantrip to each of those attack actions
Personally, I'd rule that each feature can only replace one attack per turn with a cantrip. So you couldn't double-dip on Arcane Strike, even with Haste
(Then again, I wouldn't be allowing anything from Valda's at my table anyway, but the principle would apply on a multiclass)
Active characters:
Edoumiaond Willegume "Eddie" Podslee, Vegetanian scholar (College of Spirits bard)
Lan Kidogo, mapach archaeologist and treasure hunter (Knowledge cleric)
Peter "the Pied Piper" Hausler, human con artist/remover of vermin (Circle of the Shepherd druid)
PIPA - Planar Interception/Protection Aeormaton, warforged bodyguard and ex-wizard hunter (Warrior of the Elements monk/Cartographer artificer)
Xhekhetiel, halfling survivor of a Betrayer Gods cult (Runechild sorcerer/fighter)
Everything can stack so long as what you're trying to stack together has a different name.
Coming back to that SAC entry: https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/sae/sage-advice-compendium#SAC-Bard1