Hey all, sorry if this has been asked elsewhere or otherwise made clear, but for the new spells in the World of Warcraft book the ones attached to the Elf lineages (Arcane Pulse and Entropic Embrace specifically) both have class spell lists mentioned in the first line of their descriptions. However, immediately before them under the "Elf Spells" section title it says the elf spells are "available only as part of the Nightborne and Void Elf elven lineages." Does anyone have the lowdown on how one should treat this contradiction if just going rules as written?
I guess same question with the new spells attached to the WoW classes as well. The Spells for the Death Knight and Demon Hunter both specify they can only be taken by those classes in the spell's description, but the remainder of the spells don't have such restrictions in the spells themselves, but the "Spells" section for each class also says that the spells are added to the spell list for the World of Warcraft classes. Was that just them letting us know the spells existed, or was that saying they shouldn't be used by the regular D&D classes outside of the WoW setting?
Any ideas or opinions are welcome. I understand that the book still hasn't hit the general release date, so not everyone might have had a chance to look at them yet, but I'd appreciate a little help figuring this out.
However, immediately before them under the "Elf Spells" section title it says the elf spells are "available only as part of the Nightborne and Void Elf elven lineages."
That sentence is just saying those spells aren't available to the other Elf lineages. It doesn't have any impact on which class spell lists they're on.
Okay, follow up then. All of the class-given spells in the book say something like this (using Hunter as an example): "The following new spells are added to the Ranger spell list for World of Warcraft hunters." To me it seems that because they tell us these are added to the spell list for the Warcraft hunter, then the regular Ranger spell list wouldn't normally have these spells on it, despite all of the individual spells being tagged with the Ranger spell list. Should I be reading that similarly to the elf spells above, where the text tells us to add these new spells for the hunter, but that doesn't negate the spell list the spells have in their descriptions?
Okay, follow up then. All of the class-given spells in the book say something like this (using Hunter as an example): "The following new spells are added to the Ranger spell list for World of Warcraft hunters." To me it seems that because they tell us these are added to the spell list for the Warcraft hunter, then the regular Ranger spell list wouldn't normally have these spells on it, despite all of the individual spells being tagged with the Ranger spell list. Should I be reading that similarly to the elf spells above, where the text tells us to add these new spells for the hunter, but that doesn't negate the spell list the spells have in their descriptions?
It seems like the intent is for the spells you're talking about to only be considered to be "on the Ranger list" if you're playing a Hunter in a WoW game. They shouldn't be thought of as being on the Ranger list for non-WoW characters unless they're already defined as being on the Ranger list wherever the spell itself is defined.
It's important to remember that these rules are designed first and foremost to be played with pen and paper. They are not written with D&D Beyond in mind, and the people writing them don't necessarily have any insight into how D&D Beyond (or any other online tool) will choose to implement the things they're designing.
Hey all, sorry if this has been asked elsewhere or otherwise made clear, but for the new spells in the World of Warcraft book the ones attached to the Elf lineages (Arcane Pulse and Entropic Embrace specifically) both have class spell lists mentioned in the first line of their descriptions. However, immediately before them under the "Elf Spells" section title it says the elf spells are "available only as part of the Nightborne and Void Elf elven lineages." Does anyone have the lowdown on how one should treat this contradiction if just going rules as written?
I guess same question with the new spells attached to the WoW classes as well. The Spells for the Death Knight and Demon Hunter both specify they can only be taken by those classes in the spell's description, but the remainder of the spells don't have such restrictions in the spells themselves, but the "Spells" section for each class also says that the spells are added to the spell list for the World of Warcraft classes. Was that just them letting us know the spells existed, or was that saying they shouldn't be used by the regular D&D classes outside of the WoW setting?
Any ideas or opinions are welcome. I understand that the book still hasn't hit the general release date, so not everyone might have had a chance to look at them yet, but I'd appreciate a little help figuring this out.
That sentence is just saying those spells aren't available to the other Elf lineages. It doesn't have any impact on which class spell lists they're on.
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Ah, that makes sense! Thanks for that, it helps a lot!
No problem!
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Okay, follow up then. All of the class-given spells in the book say something like this (using Hunter as an example): "The following new spells are added to the Ranger spell list for World of Warcraft hunters." To me it seems that because they tell us these are added to the spell list for the Warcraft hunter, then the regular Ranger spell list wouldn't normally have these spells on it, despite all of the individual spells being tagged with the Ranger spell list. Should I be reading that similarly to the elf spells above, where the text tells us to add these new spells for the hunter, but that doesn't negate the spell list the spells have in their descriptions?
It seems like the intent is for the spells you're talking about to only be considered to be "on the Ranger list" if you're playing a Hunter in a WoW game. They shouldn't be thought of as being on the Ranger list for non-WoW characters unless they're already defined as being on the Ranger list wherever the spell itself is defined.
It's important to remember that these rules are designed first and foremost to be played with pen and paper. They are not written with D&D Beyond in mind, and the people writing them don't necessarily have any insight into how D&D Beyond (or any other online tool) will choose to implement the things they're designing.
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Gotcha. Thanks again for helping me think through this stuff, I very much appreciate it!
Happy to help!
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