It was from the earlier discussions in the thread - that I skimmed. So yes it was the range of counterspell. I thought I had seen someone quoting from the PHB but I may have been mixing up threads. Still the question becomes important with spells like hunters mark - since the range is 90’ can it be cast from cover without initiating combat/requiring an initiation roll? If cast from cover as a verbal only spell does it always alert the market or is it more of a mental focusing of the marker and doesn’t alert the marker at all?
[...]Still the question becomes important with spells like hunters mark - since the range is 90’ can it be cast from cover without initiating combat/requiring an initiation roll? If cast from cover as a verbal only spell does it always alert the market or is it more of a mental focusing of the marker and doesn’t alert the marker at all?
In my opinion, when sound is important for an encounter, the DM should determine whether the creatures are within each other's Perception range or not.
There are many different scenarios: a quiet place, a crowded area, a caster hidden in a room... Depending on the situation, your voice (in this case, the Verbal component) might be heard, or it might not.
I don't think strict rules about this are necessary. In fact, I believe the opposite.
The current RAW is that V components end being Hidden; out of combat, how that plays out is up to the DM, mid-combat I'd be more inclined to run with RAW. Plus from personal experience and what I've heard, it's a pretty rare instance where you'll actually be around 90 ft back from a target.
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I would guess it's from the range of counterspell. Neither vision nor hearing have any explicit range limits.
It was from the earlier discussions in the thread - that I skimmed. So yes it was the range of counterspell. I thought I had seen someone quoting from the PHB but I may have been mixing up threads. Still the question becomes important with spells like hunters mark - since the range is 90’ can it be cast from cover without initiating combat/requiring an initiation roll? If cast from cover as a verbal only spell does it always alert the market or is it more of a mental focusing of the marker and doesn’t alert the marker at all?
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In my opinion, when sound is important for an encounter, the DM should determine whether the creatures are within each other's Perception range or not.
There are many different scenarios: a quiet place, a crowded area, a caster hidden in a room... Depending on the situation, your voice (in this case, the Verbal component) might be heard, or it might not.
I don't think strict rules about this are necessary. In fact, I believe the opposite.
The current RAW is that V components end being Hidden; out of combat, how that plays out is up to the DM, mid-combat I'd be more inclined to run with RAW. Plus from personal experience and what I've heard, it's a pretty rare instance where you'll actually be around 90 ft back from a target.