Oh, that's right. Now I remember having read that, thanks. Looks like the "casting" part is done and over when you finish Readying it, and the concentration part is more akin to a spell with duration, rather than a spell with a casting time of more than 1 action.
It makes for an interesting situation where you can ready a spell behind cover, then walk out and release it on a target without any casting components that would allow counterspell. That's a lot of work just to beat counterspell, but it works as a proof of concept.
You're still in the process of casting a spell when you have it readied. That's why it requires your concentration to keep the spell incomplete.
Counterspell doesn't require knowledge of any casting components.
I can't tell if you are suggesting something I said in my example is incorrect.
I think they're saying you can, in fact, Counterspell a Readied spell, since you're still "casting" it when you have it Readied, but before you loose it, and because Counterspell doesn't require knowledge of any casting components.
I'm inclined to agree. Generally, somatic or verbal components are taken as "required" for Counterspell, since you need to know a spell is being cast in order to stop it. But there is no such actual requirement. A spell cast behind cover can still be perceivable (certainly if it has a verbal component), and when the caster comes out of cover to loose the spell, and finish the casting, they're still "casting" the spell, so it could be interrupted. Whether a spell with somatic components but without verbal components, cast from hiding/cover, and loosed out in the open can be interrupted with Counterspell might be more iffy, since the only clue as to the spell being cast (somatic components) was not perceived by the counterspeller, so you can probably conclude that they had no knowledge of the spell being cast, and therefore no ability to interrupt it.
Of course, since you are readying a somatic spell, then to finish off the spell as part of your reaction, there would be a final somatic flourish - at which point the other person can hit you with counterspell.
It makes for an interesting situation where you can ready a spell behind cover, then walk out and release it on a target without any casting components that would allow counterspell. That's a lot of work just to beat counterspell, but it works as a proof of concept.
You're still in the process of casting a spell when you have it readied. That's why it requires your concentration to keep the spell incomplete.
Counterspell doesn't require knowledge of any casting components.
I can't tell if you are suggesting something I said in my example is incorrect.
I think they're saying you can, in fact, Counterspell a Readied spell, since you're still "casting" it when you have it Readied, but before you loose it, and because Counterspell doesn't require knowledge of any casting components.
I'm inclined to agree. Generally, somatic or verbal components are taken as "required" for Counterspell, since you need to know a spell is being cast in order to stop it. But there is no such actual requirement. A spell cast behind cover can still be perceivable (certainly if it has a verbal component), and when the caster comes out of cover to loose the spell, and finish the casting, they're still "casting" the spell, so it could be interrupted. Whether a spell with somatic components but without verbal components, cast from hiding/cover, and loosed out in the open can be interrupted with Counterspell might be more iffy, since the only clue as to the spell being cast (somatic components) was not perceived by the counterspeller, so you can probably conclude that they had no knowledge of the spell being cast, and therefore no ability to interrupt it.
Of course, since you are readying a somatic spell, then to finish off the spell as part of your reaction, there would be a final somatic flourish - at which point the other person can hit you with counterspell.
Apparently not, I was mistaken. :)
That is, while there may be, in fact, a "final somatic flourish", it is not part of the actual casting of the spell, and therefore is not Counterspellable.
Does taking the Ready action end your turn if you have not used up all your movement?
For example, a spell caster is caught in the Area of Effect of a Silence spell. Can they move 10' out of the Silence's Area of Effect, Ready a spell like vampiric touch with a trigger of 'when within 5' of an enemy' and then move 15' into the area of silence that is also within 5' of an enemy?
Does taking the Ready action end your turn if you have not used up all your movement?
For example, a spell caster is caught in the Area of Effect of a Silence spell. Can they move 10' out of the Silence's Area of Effect, Ready a spell like vampiric touch with a trigger of 'when within 5' of an enemy' and then move 15' into the area of silence that is also within 5' of an enemy?
Readying something doesn't end your turn. You can absolutely continue to finish your turn doing whatever you want - as long as you take into account whatever it is that you've readied - like readying a two-handed sword attack will take up both hands.
Does taking the Ready action end your turn if you have not used up all your movement?
For example, a spell caster is caught in the Area of Effect of a Silence spell. Can they move 10' out of the Silence's Area of Effect, Ready a spell like vampiric touch with a trigger of 'when within 5' of an enemy' and then move 15' into the area of silence that is also within 5' of an enemy?
I never thought about doing that, but don't see why it wouldn't work. Very clever.
Does taking the Ready action end your turn if you have not used up all your movement?
For example, a spell caster is caught in the Area of Effect of a Silence spell. Can they move 10' out of the Silence's Area of Effect, Ready a spell like vampiric touch with a trigger of 'when within 5' of an enemy' and then move 15' into the area of silence that is also within 5' of an enemy?
Nice use case!
Just remember that this also uses your reaction. Completely worth it in this case.
You should be able to move AND bonus action, and still take the Ready Action. All the Ready Action does, is spend your Action and set it up to be a Reaction (to whatever condition you are Ready for).
I thought that was the case with Bonus Action but you beat me to the follow-up question for confirmation. I just know you cannot take a bonus action during the ready action since Bonus is only allowed on your turn and not someone/thing turn.
For readying a spell or other action, does the target have to be in range? Your target must be within range when you take a readied action, not when you first ready it.
So, yes you can ready a spell that has no viable targets at the time.
Oh, that's right. Now I remember having read that, thanks. Looks like the "casting" part is done and over when you finish Readying it, and the concentration part is more akin to a spell with duration, rather than a spell with a casting time of more than 1 action.
While I accept that it is what's intended I have to say that I'm not wild about it counting both as the casting being done (as you can't counter it) and not being done (as you can wait to fulfil the requirement).
Examples: an Eldritch Knight with a sword and shield is hit with an attack and wants to cast Shield or a Druid with a wooden shield and staff is caught in a fireball and wants to cast Absorb Element.
Can they drop their weapons and cast their reaction spells or are they taking the pain ?
Side Note: It seems generally accepted that an Eldritch Knight carrying a two-handed weapon can let go with one hand to cast Shield as a reaction. This implies an answer to my question about dropping a weapon but I want to know what is official or in general use.
Side Note2: Grappling can be ended anytime and thus free up a hand to cast shield. PHB pg.195
Examples: an Eldritch Knight with a sword and shield is hit with an attack and wants to cast Shield or a Druid with a wooden shield and staff is caught in a fireball and wants to cast Absorb Element.
Can they drop their weapons and cast their reaction spells or are they taking the pain ?
Side Note: It seems generally accepted that an Eldritch Knight carrying a two-handed weapon can let go with one hand to cast Shield as a reaction. This implies an answer to my question about dropping a weapon but I want to know what is official or in general use.
Side Note2: Grappling can be ended anytime and thus free up a hand to cast shield. PHB pg.195
Dropping isn't any kind of action, so yes, it can be part of the Reaction you take.
They'll have to pick it up again, though, of course, to use it for attacking during their next turn.
Agree also based on these two text from PHB Chapter 9, Free Object Interaction "thing you can do in tandem with your movement and action" and as stated for the Ready action. "you choose the action you will take in response to that trigger, or you choose to move up to your speed in response to it"
DM says that if i come last in rotation i dont get to ready an action, i don't agree. (Coming in dead last of rotation i wanted to ready spirit guardians in case anything came at me to attack me after i moved away from where the combat was occurring, he ruled that i couldn't do that as after my turn it was a new rotation, thus claiming ready action was useless to me im i came in last in rotation). Thoughts?
DM says that if i come last in rotation i dont get to ready an action, i don't agree. (Coming in dead last of rotation i wanted to ready spirit guardians in case anything came at me to attack me after i moved away from where the combat was occurring, he ruled that i couldn't do that as after my turn it was a new rotation, thus claiming ready action was useless to me im i came in last in rotation). Thoughts?
They're wrong. The Ready action will last until just before the start of your next turn - regardless of where you are on initiative.
Ready - https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/phb/combat#Ready Sometimes you want to get the jump on a foe or wait for a particular circumstance before you act. To do so, you can take the Ready action on your turn, which lets you act using your reaction before the start of your next turn.
The rule doesn't contain anything that might stop anyone from using it wherever they are on the initiative order.
Thats what i said. Their response was i was wrong done having this conversation, DMs choice, even after i screen shotted the page. One of the few rulings i don't agree with but im not going to push it.
Thats what i said. Their response was i was wrong done having this conversation, DMs choice, even after i screen shotted the page. One of the few rulings i don't agree with but im not going to push it.
The DM probably isn't aware of the difference between the official definitions of a Round and a Turn.
You would im.not giving players 2 actions on their turns because you ready your action then next turn 6 seconds would pass ending your readied action. Its time one round is 6 seconds you dont get 12 seconds of actions in 1 round. The ready action allows you to react to a specific, "perceivable circumstance." So dms choice.
Their exact wording lol.
But like i said im not going to push it, its their game i will run it different if i were to dm.
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That is certainly not the intent.
"Not all those who wander are lost"
Oh, that's right. Now I remember having read that, thanks. Looks like the "casting" part is done and over when you finish Readying it, and the concentration part is more akin to a spell with duration, rather than a spell with a casting time of more than 1 action.
Of course, since you are readying a somatic spell, then to finish off the spell as part of your reaction, there would be a final somatic flourish - at which point the other person can hit you with counterspell.
Apparently not, I was mistaken. :)
That is, while there may be, in fact, a "final somatic flourish", it is not part of the actual casting of the spell, and therefore is not Counterspellable.
Does taking the Ready action end your turn if you have not used up all your movement?
For example, a spell caster is caught in the Area of Effect of a Silence spell. Can they move 10' out of the Silence's Area of Effect, Ready a spell like vampiric touch with a trigger of 'when within 5' of an enemy' and then move 15' into the area of silence that is also within 5' of an enemy?
Readying something doesn't end your turn. You can absolutely continue to finish your turn doing whatever you want - as long as you take into account whatever it is that you've readied - like readying a two-handed sword attack will take up both hands.
As for your specific example. Seems fine to me.
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Highest 41: brocker2001 (#11,285).
Yahtzee of 2's: Emmber (#36,161).
Lowest 9: JoeltheWalrus (#312), Emmber (#12,505) and Dertinus (#20,953).
I never thought about doing that, but don't see why it wouldn't work. Very clever.
Nice use case!
Just remember that this also uses your reaction. Completely worth it in this case.
That clarification/ruling from Jeremy Crawford opens up a LOT of tactical possibilities, for the characters and NPCs/monsters.
Interestingly, Jeremy Crawford addressed this recently: https://twitter.com/JeremyECrawford/status/1367310183509028869
While I accept that it is what's intended I have to say that I'm not wild about it counting both as the casting being done (as you can't counter it) and not being done (as you can wait to fulfil the requirement).
Can you drop a weapon on your Reaction?
Examples: an Eldritch Knight with a sword and shield is hit with an attack and wants to cast Shield or a Druid with a wooden shield and staff is caught in a fireball and wants to cast Absorb Element.
Can they drop their weapons and cast their reaction spells or are they taking the pain ?
Side Note: It seems generally accepted that an Eldritch Knight carrying a two-handed weapon can let go with one hand to cast Shield as a reaction. This implies an answer to my question about dropping a weapon but I want to know what is official or in general use.
Side Note2: Grappling can be ended anytime and thus free up a hand to cast shield. PHB pg.195
In that context, I'd allow it.
They'll have to pick it up again, though, of course, to use it for attacking during their next turn.
Dropping isn't any kind of action, so yes, it can be part of the Reaction you take.
Agree also based on these two text from PHB Chapter 9, Free Object Interaction "thing you can do in tandem with your movement and action" and as stated for the Ready action. "you choose the action you will take in response to that trigger, or you choose to move up to your speed in response to it"
DM says that if i come last in rotation i dont get to ready an action, i don't agree. (Coming in dead last of rotation i wanted to ready spirit guardians in case anything came at me to attack me after i moved away from where the combat was occurring, he ruled that i couldn't do that as after my turn it was a new rotation, thus claiming ready action was useless to me im i came in last in rotation). Thoughts?
They're wrong. The Ready action will last until just before the start of your next turn - regardless of where you are on initiative.
The rule doesn't contain anything that might stop anyone from using it wherever they are on the initiative order.
Mega Yahtzee Thread:
Highest 41: brocker2001 (#11,285).
Yahtzee of 2's: Emmber (#36,161).
Lowest 9: JoeltheWalrus (#312), Emmber (#12,505) and Dertinus (#20,953).
Thats what i said. Their response was i was wrong done having this conversation, DMs choice, even after i screen shotted the page. One of the few rulings i don't agree with but im not going to push it.
The DM probably isn't aware of the difference between the official definitions of a Round and a Turn.
You would im.not giving players 2 actions on their turns because you ready your action then next turn 6 seconds would pass ending your readied action. Its time one round is 6 seconds you dont get 12 seconds of actions in 1 round. The ready action allows you to react to a specific, "perceivable circumstance." So dms choice.
Their exact wording lol.
But like i said im not going to push it, its their game i will run it different if i were to dm.