if I take this feat and take find familiar, would I be able to cast it as a ritual, and since it doesn’t take a spell slot to use when you cast it as a ritual. can I cast it more then once? Thanks
Ritual? No. The 1st-level spell from Magic Initiate does not count as a class' spell. And, for example, clerics can only cast cleric spells as rituals. So since the spell from Magic Initiate is not a cleric spell, clerics cannot cast it as a ritual. Compare the wording of Magic Initiate with Bard's Magical Secrets to see the difference. See the correct answer below.
Cast it more than once? If you were able to cast it as a ritual, yes, you could cast it more than once.
Ritual? No. The 1st-level spell from Magic Initiate does not count as a class' spell. And, for example, clerics can only cast cleric spells as rituals. So since the spell from Magic Initiate is not a cleric spell, clerics cannot cast it as a ritual. Compare the wording of Magic Initiate with Bard's Magical Secrets to see the difference.
Cast it more than once? If you were able to cast it as a ritual, yes, you could cast it more than once.
Generally, yes, but not exactly correct.
A spell learned from Magic Initiate is a class spell. You literally have to pick a class that you are learning the spell from: "Magic Initiate (<Class>)". If you pick Fireball from the Magic Initiate (Wizard) feat, then Fireball is a Wizard spell for you. If you also have the spellcasting/ritual feature from taking levels in Wizard, then that spell counts as a permanently prepared Wizard spell that can be: cast once per day at lowest level as an ability, cast freely using your own spell slots, and cast at lowest level as a ritual.
If you do not have the spellcasting/ritual feature from the class you pick for the feat, then you can only cast the spell once per day at lowest level as an ability.
You don't know what fear is until you've witnessed a drunk bird divebombing you while carrying a screaming Kobold throwing fire anywhere and everywhere.
Ritual? No. The 1st-level spell from Magic Initiate does not count as a class' spell. And, for example, clerics can only cast cleric spells as rituals. So since the spell from Magic Initiate is not a cleric spell, clerics cannot cast it as a ritual. Compare the wording of Magic Initiate with Bard's Magical Secrets to see the difference.
Cast it more than once? If you were able to cast it as a ritual, yes, you could cast it more than once.
Generally, yes, but not exactly correct.
A spell learned from Magic Initiate is a class spell. You literally have to pick a class that you are learning the spell from: "Magic Initiate (<Class>)". If you pick Fireball from the Magic Initiate (Wizard) feat, then Fireball is a Wizard spell for you. If you also have the spellcasting/ritual feature from taking levels in Wizard, then that spell counts as a permanently prepared Wizard spell that can be: cast once per day at lowest level as an ability, cast freely using your own spell slots, and cast at lowest level as a ritual.
If you do not have the spellcasting/ritual feature from the class you pick for the feat, then you can only cast the spell once per day at lowest level as an ability.
Couple of things:
Fireball is a third level spell not available to a magic initiate.
I think the wording in magic initiate says that you learn the spell. That means it counts for a spell known (useful to bards and sorcs) but not a spell prepared (since prepared casters like druids and clerics know all of their spells but can only cast prepared spells).
Wolf, you know what I mean... whatever spell you pick counts as a spell from whatever class list you chose. 🙄
It does count as a prepared spell if you have the specific class' spellcasting feature from actually having levels in that class. It is permanently known/prepared for you.
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Ok so if I am playing a Druid. I take magic initiate and pick wizard. pick two cantrips, and then take find familiar. I couldn't cast it as a ritual because I can not cast wizard rituals? that makes sense, I was just trying to get some clarity
Ok so if I am playing a Druid. I take magic initiate and pick wizard. pick two cantrips, and then take find familiar. I couldn't cast it as a ritual because I can not cast wizard rituals? that makes sense, I was just trying to get some clarity
Correct.
To be more precise, you would not be able to cast it in any other way than the 1/day casting granted by the feat because you are not a Wizard.
If you were a multi-classed Druid/Wizard, you would, in addition to the 1/day casting, be able to cast that spell as a ritual/using your spell slots as normal.
You don't know what fear is until you've witnessed a drunk bird divebombing you while carrying a screaming Kobold throwing fire anywhere and everywhere.
Wolf, you know what I mean... whatever spell you pick counts as a spell from whatever class list you chose. 🙄
It does count as a prepared spell if you have the specific class' spellcasting feature from actually having levels in that class. It is permanently known/prepared for you.
If it is a known spell, is on your own class spell list, and is available for use in your adventuring day, it is innately prepared. Crawford does not understand his own rules; 5e does not use a Vancian magic system.
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Thanks. I will run it as a once per day spell since it makes sense to me, I was just asking for clarity. I do not believe I will ever multi-class into wizard so.
The second paragraph of Magic Initiate (found in Basic Rules Chapter 6) does two separate things.
1) "In addition, choose one 1st-level spell to learn from that same list."
You have "learned" a 1st level spell. The feat does not mandate that you learn the spell "as a [Wizard/X]" spell, only that you learn a spell that is found on that list. November 28, 2017 Sage Advice (Crawford) provides that an [X] spell is a spell that appears on X's spell list + any spells that are added to that list as a result of a feature of that class, not a spell that you learned as a result of taking a level in [X] or picking up a feat with [X] in the name. Meaning, if you take Magic Intiate (Wizard) to learn Detect Magic, Detect Magic is still a Wizard Spell, and a Cleric Spell, and a Bard Spell etc etc because it appears on all of those classes' spell lists.
2) "Using this feat, you can cast the spell once at its lowest level, and you must finish a long rest before you can cast it in this way again."
The fact that you can cast the spell "using this feat" (i.e., without a spell slot) does not necessarily preclude the possibility that you can also cast it in a different way.
[this post was getting too long and complicated, so a shorter version:]
1) The Sage Advice Compendium has provided that you can cast Magic Initiate-learned spells using spells slots if you picked a class that you have levels in. It justifies that limitation by saying that only by taking a level in a spellcasting class do you gain the ability to cast spells of that class using spell slots.
2) A multiclass character is not granted spell slots as a result of leveling up in one class but rather as a function of their overall class level total on the Multiclass Spellcaster chart. The rules start out by saying that "Each spell you know and prepare is associated with one of your classes, and you use the spellcasting ability of that class when you cast the spell." ClericX/WizardX? Then you have a shared pool of spell slots, but for what you can cast with those slots, look to the spellcasting descriptions of Wizard and Cleric and stick to what those allow.
But the section below on Pact Magic is also pretty explicit that spell slots can be used for any known spell without regard to any more limited language found in a class' spellcasting feature, because "you can use the spell slots you gain from the Pact Magic feature to cast spells you know or have prepared from classes with the Spellcasting class feature, and you can use the spell slots you gain from the Spellcasting class feature to cast warlock spells you know." This directly contradicts the Warlock's spellcasting feature which provides that those leveled pact magic spellslots are only to be used "to cast your warlock spells," and which doesn't provide the ability to cast warlock spells using any other slots you may have. Multiclassing with a warlock 'unlocks' your spell slots and lets them be used for any of your known spells that are "from classes with the Spellcasting class feature." Does "from" mean "[learned] from" (gained as a result of leveling in that class) or "from [the spell list of]" (appearing on the spell list of a class with the spellcasting class feature, regardless of whether you have a level in that spell)?
There's no crystal clear way to read all of this. All I can say with certainty is, if you take Magic Initiate (Wizard Sorcerer) and also have a level in Wizard Sorcerer, you certainly can cast that spell using both the Feat's daily casting and also with spell slots. Beyond that, ymmv.
If you want to go down that path, then no class can ever use their own spell slots on a spell learned from this feat even if it is from their own class list. "Preparing" a spell only exists for classes that automatically know every spell on their class list (or can learn every spell like a Wizard) to keep the general availability of spells--on any given adventuring day--balanced across classes. A Cleric/Druid already knows all Cleric/Druid spells; they can already prepare what they want. You do not need to prepare a spell--that you already know from your class--acquired by this feat. This is not Vancian magic. You do not have to prepare spells multiple times, nor do you forget a class spell once you have cast it.
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I think Crawford's position is that a Wizard, specifically, can choose to prepare a spell that they have "learned" by virtue of this feat, even if that spell is not written in their spellbook. You''re right that this contradicts the text of the Wizard's spellcasting entry (" choose a number of wizard spells from your spellbook..."), so I guess this falls under a RAI or RAF instead of RAW interpretation on his part. I don't think his position is that it hangs out as a constantly-prepared spell in addition to the number your feature allows you to prepare each day, that would be even less supported.
*Edit: Ah, they were sneaky, they tucked into their SA ruling "which you could add to your spellbook and subsequently prepare..." So yeah, just as Cleric and Druid below, a Wizard can't cast his Magic Initiate spell with spell slots unless he first pays gold to transcribe it into his book. **
RAW, Arcane Trickster and Eldritch Knight would be able to simply cast a spell that they know from Magic Initiate which appear on the wizard spell list, because they use their spell slots to cast any Wizard spell that they know.
Bards, Sorcerers, and Warlocks also would be able to cast the spell using spell slots if it appears on their class list, because they can use spell slots to cast any bard/sorcerer/warlock spell that they know.
But yes, Druids and Clerics would be unable to cast the spell using slots unless they separately prepared it, because the feat does not give you a "prepared" spell, and their spellcasting feature gives them no ability to prepare non-cleric spells that they may know.
I don't really have interest in arguing today. I was just pointing out that your interpretation differs from that discussed elsewhere on this forum and from the SA compendium.
Just wanted to point out the if a sorcerer takes magic initiate (cleric) and chooses detect magic or some other spell that is also a sorcerer spell, they can not cast that spell with their slots because it is learned as a cleric spell.
Ok so if I am playing a Druid. I take magic initiate and pick wizard. pick two cantrips, and then take find familiar. I couldn't cast it as a ritual because I can not cast wizard rituals? that makes sense, I was just trying to get some clarity
It should be noted in case you are not aware, once you cast find familiar, you can use the summon and dismiss parts of the spell freely. Only resummoning the familiar if it does or changing its form will require waiting to the next day.
Just wanted to point out the if a sorcerer takes magic initiate (cleric) and chooses detect magic or some other spell that is also a sorcerer spell, they can not cast that spell with their slots because it is learned as a cleric spell.
Can you point to where there is support that there is such a concept as "learned as a cleric spell"? The tweet I quoted supports the premise that "a cleric spell" is a spell that appears on the Cleric class spell list. Is there a reason to think otherwise?
Ok so if I am playing a Druid. I take magic initiate and pick wizard. pick two cantrips, and then take find familiar. I couldn't cast it as a ritual because I can not cast wizard rituals? that makes sense, I was just trying to get some clarity
It should be noted in case you are not aware, once you cast find familiar, you can use the summon and dismiss parts of the spell freely. Only resummoning the familiar if it does or changing its form will require waiting to the next day.
Thanks. Yes I was aware of the dismiss, summons freely part. I was mostly wondering if I can cast it as a ritual more then once a day, Incase I did want to change it’s form from one to another without having to recast it. I feel like just using it once a day is going to be good. I was just looking for clarity when it came down to the ritual, not using a spell slot so it would in fact not use the one use of the spell that I have per day with using the feat. I didn’t think it would cause such a ruckus haha.
Just wanted to point out the if a sorcerer takes magic initiate (cleric) and chooses detect magic or some other spell that is also a sorcerer spell, they can not cast that spell with their slots because it is learned as a cleric spell.
Can you point to where there is support that there is such a concept as "learned as a cleric spell"? The tweet I quoted supports the premise that "a cleric spell" is a spell that appears on the Cleric class spell list. Is there a reason to think otherwise?
The best you can do is read the spellcasting feature for the cleric class. In it, all spells you learn from this feature are described as "cleric spells." There is a bit of an extension of this statement used in the SA compendium that implies that all spells have a casting class associated with them, and I think now many other sources of spells do state the class that they are associated with too. Spellcasting rules from the class features state that you can use your spell slots to cast your class spells. Multiclass rules are murky here, as the wording is different, but I think the dev team has come down on the side that you can cast spells for classes that you have levels in with your multiclass spell slots.
Just wanted to point out the if a sorcerer takes magic initiate (cleric) and chooses detect magic or some other spell that is also a sorcerer spell, they can not cast that spell with their slots because it is learned as a cleric spell.
Can you point to where there is support that there is such a concept as "learned as a cleric spell"? The tweet I quoted supports the premise that "a cleric spell" is a spell that appears on the Cleric class spell list. Is there a reason to think otherwise?
Yes, and it's the entire focus of the discussion now (OP has their answer). Magic Initiate (Cleric), Druid, Warlock, Wizard, Sorcerer, Bard are all individual feats. The spell that you pick must be on the class list of the individual feat that you select. That spell counts as a spell belonging to that class; entirely without regard to whatever class(es) you might have, or what other class lists the spell may also be on.
What DxJxC is saying is that if you are a Sorcerer, and you learn Detect Magic by taking the Magic Initiate (Cleric) feat, you will not be able to freely cast that spell with your own slots--even though the spell is also on the Sorcerer spell list. You didn't learn the Sorcerer version. It would be considered a spell from the Cleric spell list, using Wisdom as your spellcasting ability, and you would not be eligible to cast it with your spell slots without also taking levels in Cleric.
RAW, this doesn't even matter because there was no issue prior to Crawford's tweet: nobody could cast spells from this feat using their spell slots. For what it's worth, even with the SA compendium now being hosted on DDB directly, DDB does not allow you to cast these spells using spell slots. Make a level 1 Sorcerer. Don't learn any spells. Add the Magic Initiate (Sorcerer) feat, and select any Sorcerer spell. It won't show up on your "known spells" list, and it won't allow you to cast the spell with your own slots. The "ideal case" isn't even supported by the system, and it's not like this is a brand-new conundrum either.
Crawford is not the right person to be in charge of designing rules, and he definitely is not the right person to be issuing clarifications & errata. He does not have a strong grasp of systemic logic, nor does he demonstrate the ability to carefully consider the implications of his decisions on the overall product. This should be an either/or issue: either all spellcasting classes (taking the feat/spell from their own class list) have it permanently available for use with their own slots, or none of them do. Instead, Crawford has introduced a model in which none of the feats/class combinations function in a consistent manner--half of which are incredibly potent by comparison--that is not even supported by the system itself.
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if I take this feat and take find familiar, would I be able to cast it as a ritual, and since it doesn’t take a spell slot to use when you cast it as a ritual. can I cast it more then once? Thanks
Ritual?
No. The 1st-level spell from Magic Initiate does not count as a class' spell. And, for example, clerics can only cast cleric spells as rituals. So since the spell from Magic Initiate is not a cleric spell, clerics cannot cast it as a ritual. Compare the wording of Magic Initiate with Bard's Magical Secrets to see the difference.See the correct answer below.Cast it more than once? If you were able to cast it as a ritual, yes, you could cast it more than once.
Generally, yes, but not exactly correct.
A spell learned from Magic Initiate is a class spell. You literally have to pick a class that you are learning the spell from: "Magic Initiate (<Class>)". If you pick Fireball from the Magic Initiate (Wizard) feat, then Fireball is a Wizard spell for you. If you also have the spellcasting/ritual feature from taking levels in Wizard, then that spell counts as a permanently prepared Wizard spell that can be: cast once per day at lowest level as an ability, cast freely using your own spell slots, and cast at lowest level as a ritual.
If you do not have the spellcasting/ritual feature from the class you pick for the feat, then you can only cast the spell once per day at lowest level as an ability.
You don't know what fear is until you've witnessed a drunk bird divebombing you while carrying a screaming Kobold throwing fire anywhere and everywhere.
Couple of things:
Fireball is a third level spell not available to a magic initiate.
I think the wording in magic initiate says that you learn the spell. That means it counts for a spell known (useful to bards and sorcs) but not a spell prepared (since prepared casters like druids and clerics know all of their spells but can only cast prepared spells).
Wolf, you know what I mean... whatever spell you pick counts as a spell from whatever class list you chose. 🙄
It does count as a prepared spell if you have the specific class' spellcasting feature from actually having levels in that class. It is permanently known/prepared for you.
You don't know what fear is until you've witnessed a drunk bird divebombing you while carrying a screaming Kobold throwing fire anywhere and everywhere.
Ok so if I am playing a Druid. I take magic initiate and pick wizard. pick two cantrips, and then take find familiar. I couldn't cast it as a ritual because I can not cast wizard rituals? that makes sense, I was just trying to get some clarity
Correct.
To be more precise, you would not be able to cast it in any other way than the 1/day casting granted by the feat because you are not a Wizard.
If you were a multi-classed Druid/Wizard, you would, in addition to the 1/day casting, be able to cast that spell as a ritual/using your spell slots as normal.
You don't know what fear is until you've witnessed a drunk bird divebombing you while carrying a screaming Kobold throwing fire anywhere and everywhere.
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/sac/sage-advice-compendium#Feats It counts as known, and you can subsequently prepare it if you are a prepared caster.
If it is a known spell, is on your own class spell list, and is available for use in your adventuring day, it is innately prepared. Crawford does not understand his own rules; 5e does not use a Vancian magic system.
You don't know what fear is until you've witnessed a drunk bird divebombing you while carrying a screaming Kobold throwing fire anywhere and everywhere.
Thanks. I will run it as a once per day spell since it makes sense to me, I was just asking for clarity. I do not believe I will ever multi-class into wizard so.
Spells that are automatically prepared, like those from domains and circles, say as such.
edit: Or rather, it is more precise to say that features that give automatically prepared spells say as such.
The second paragraph of Magic Initiate (found in Basic Rules Chapter 6) does two separate things.
1) "In addition, choose one 1st-level spell to learn from that same list."
You have "learned" a 1st level spell. The feat does not mandate that you learn the spell "as a [Wizard/X]" spell, only that you learn a spell that is found on that list. November 28, 2017 Sage Advice (Crawford) provides that an [X] spell is a spell that appears on X's spell list + any spells that are added to that list as a result of a feature of that class, not a spell that you learned as a result of taking a level in [X] or picking up a feat with [X] in the name. Meaning, if you take Magic Intiate (Wizard) to learn Detect Magic, Detect Magic is still a Wizard Spell, and a Cleric Spell, and a Bard Spell etc etc because it appears on all of those classes' spell lists.
2) "Using this feat, you can cast the spell once at its lowest level, and you must finish a long rest before you can cast it in this way again."
The fact that you can cast the spell "using this feat" (i.e., without a spell slot) does not necessarily preclude the possibility that you can also cast it in a different way.
[this post was getting too long and complicated, so a shorter version:]
1) The Sage Advice Compendium has provided that you can cast Magic Initiate-learned spells using spells slots if you picked a class that you have levels in. It justifies that limitation by saying that only by taking a level in a spellcasting class do you gain the ability to cast spells of that class using spell slots.
2) A multiclass character is not granted spell slots as a result of leveling up in one class but rather as a function of their overall class level total on the Multiclass Spellcaster chart. The rules start out by saying that "Each spell you know and prepare is associated with one of your classes, and you use the spellcasting ability of that class when you cast the spell." ClericX/WizardX? Then you have a shared pool of spell slots, but for what you can cast with those slots, look to the spellcasting descriptions of Wizard and Cleric and stick to what those allow.
But the section below on Pact Magic is also pretty explicit that spell slots can be used for any known spell without regard to any more limited language found in a class' spellcasting feature, because "you can use the spell slots you gain from the Pact Magic feature to cast spells you know or have prepared from classes with the Spellcasting class feature, and you can use the spell slots you gain from the Spellcasting class feature to cast warlock spells you know." This directly contradicts the Warlock's spellcasting feature which provides that those leveled pact magic spellslots are only to be used "to cast your warlock spells," and which doesn't provide the ability to cast warlock spells using any other slots you may have. Multiclassing with a warlock 'unlocks' your spell slots and lets them be used for any of your known spells that are "from classes with the Spellcasting class feature." Does "from" mean "[learned] from" (gained as a result of leveling in that class) or "from [the spell list of]" (appearing on the spell list of a class with the spellcasting class feature, regardless of whether you have a level in that spell)?
There's no crystal clear way to read all of this. All I can say with certainty is, if you take Magic Initiate (
WizardSorcerer) and also have a level inWizardSorcerer, you certainly can cast that spell using both the Feat's daily casting and also with spell slots. Beyond that, ymmv.dndbeyond.com forum tags
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If you want to go down that path, then no class can ever use their own spell slots on a spell learned from this feat even if it is from their own class list. "Preparing" a spell only exists for classes that automatically know every spell on their class list (or can learn every spell like a Wizard) to keep the general availability of spells--on any given adventuring day--balanced across classes. A Cleric/Druid already knows all Cleric/Druid spells; they can already prepare what they want. You do not need to prepare a spell--that you already know from your class--acquired by this feat. This is not Vancian magic. You do not have to prepare spells multiple times, nor do you forget a class spell once you have cast it.
You don't know what fear is until you've witnessed a drunk bird divebombing you while carrying a screaming Kobold throwing fire anywhere and everywhere.
I think Crawford's position is that a Wizard, specifically, can choose to prepare a spell that they have "learned" by virtue of this feat, even if that spell is not written in their spellbook. You''re right that this contradicts the text of the Wizard's spellcasting entry (" choose a number of wizard spells from your spellbook..."), so I guess this falls under a RAI or RAF instead of RAW interpretation on his part. I don't think his position is that it hangs out as a constantly-prepared spell in addition to the number your feature allows you to prepare each day, that would be even less supported.
*Edit: Ah, they were sneaky, they tucked into their SA ruling "which you could add to your spellbook and subsequently prepare..." So yeah, just as Cleric and Druid below, a Wizard can't cast his Magic Initiate spell with spell slots unless he first pays gold to transcribe it into his book. **
RAW, Arcane Trickster and Eldritch Knight would be able to simply cast a spell that they know from Magic Initiate which appear on the wizard spell list, because they use their spell slots to cast any Wizard spell that they know.
Bards, Sorcerers, and Warlocks also would be able to cast the spell using spell slots if it appears on their class list, because they can use spell slots to cast any bard/sorcerer/warlock spell that they know.
But yes, Druids and Clerics would be unable to cast the spell using slots unless they separately prepared it, because the feat does not give you a "prepared" spell, and their spellcasting feature gives them no ability to prepare non-cleric spells that they may know.
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I don't really have interest in arguing today. I was just pointing out that your interpretation differs from that discussed elsewhere on this forum and from the SA compendium.
Well, that is unfortunate. I think my group will mostly house rule around that.
Just wanted to point out the if a sorcerer takes magic initiate (cleric) and chooses detect magic or some other spell that is also a sorcerer spell, they can not cast that spell with their slots because it is learned as a cleric spell.
It should be noted in case you are not aware, once you cast find familiar, you can use the summon and dismiss parts of the spell freely. Only resummoning the familiar if it does or changing its form will require waiting to the next day.
Can you point to where there is support that there is such a concept as "learned as a cleric spell"? The tweet I quoted supports the premise that "a cleric spell" is a spell that appears on the Cleric class spell list. Is there a reason to think otherwise?
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Thanks. Yes I was aware of the dismiss, summons freely part. I was mostly wondering if I can cast it as a ritual more then once a day, Incase I did want to change it’s form from one to another without having to recast it. I feel like just using it once a day is going to be good. I was just looking for clarity when it came down to the ritual, not using a spell slot so it would in fact not use the one use of the spell that I have per day with using the feat. I didn’t think it would cause such a ruckus haha.
The best you can do is read the spellcasting feature for the cleric class. In it, all spells you learn from this feature are described as "cleric spells." There is a bit of an extension of this statement used in the SA compendium that implies that all spells have a casting class associated with them, and I think now many other sources of spells do state the class that they are associated with too. Spellcasting rules from the class features state that you can use your spell slots to cast your class spells. Multiclass rules are murky here, as the wording is different, but I think the dev team has come down on the side that you can cast spells for classes that you have levels in with your multiclass spell slots.
Yes, and it's the entire focus of the discussion now (OP has their answer). Magic Initiate (Cleric), Druid, Warlock, Wizard, Sorcerer, Bard are all individual feats. The spell that you pick must be on the class list of the individual feat that you select. That spell counts as a spell belonging to that class; entirely without regard to whatever class(es) you might have, or what other class lists the spell may also be on.
What DxJxC is saying is that if you are a Sorcerer, and you learn Detect Magic by taking the Magic Initiate (Cleric) feat, you will not be able to freely cast that spell with your own slots--even though the spell is also on the Sorcerer spell list. You didn't learn the Sorcerer version. It would be considered a spell from the Cleric spell list, using Wisdom as your spellcasting ability, and you would not be eligible to cast it with your spell slots without also taking levels in Cleric.
RAW, this doesn't even matter because there was no issue prior to Crawford's tweet: nobody could cast spells from this feat using their spell slots. For what it's worth, even with the SA compendium now being hosted on DDB directly, DDB does not allow you to cast these spells using spell slots. Make a level 1 Sorcerer. Don't learn any spells. Add the Magic Initiate (Sorcerer) feat, and select any Sorcerer spell. It won't show up on your "known spells" list, and it won't allow you to cast the spell with your own slots. The "ideal case" isn't even supported by the system, and it's not like this is a brand-new conundrum either.
Crawford is not the right person to be in charge of designing rules, and he definitely is not the right person to be issuing clarifications & errata. He does not have a strong grasp of systemic logic, nor does he demonstrate the ability to carefully consider the implications of his decisions on the overall product. This should be an either/or issue: either all spellcasting classes (taking the feat/spell from their own class list) have it permanently available for use with their own slots, or none of them do. Instead, Crawford has introduced a model in which none of the feats/class combinations function in a consistent manner--half of which are incredibly potent by comparison--that is not even supported by the system itself.
You don't know what fear is until you've witnessed a drunk bird divebombing you while carrying a screaming Kobold throwing fire anywhere and everywhere.