Monstrous Compendium Vol. 1: Spelljammer Creatures
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I see two possible problems with this approach. First is that RA would need the same change. The second is that it is not a typed bonus and so could combine with other bonuses in unintended ways, such as RA and JOAT stacking on the same Dex or Strength check.
As for the Sage Advice that makes RAI clear. And honestly RAW works depending on the order in which you check their conditions. If you check RT before RA or JOAT, as described in Sage Advice, then you get the intended behavior. If you check RA or JOAT before RT then you get RT working with a skill you are not proficient in.
Don't check for each in sequence, instead check just one thing: When you make the roll, do you have proficiency? If yes, RT applies. If no, JOAT/RA applies.
So, option 4?
Reliable talent doesn’t actually require you to be proficient to use it, just that you somehow add your proficiency bonus to the roll.
Remarkable athlete and jack of all trades stacking wouldn’t really matter. A 7 champion/2+ bard multiclass would be weak regardless of if they get to add what’s basically proficiency or less to dexterity and strength checks. Yea it would seem to be unintended, but that doesn’t means it’s powerful.
Adding half your proficiency bonus is not the same as adding your proficiency bonus.
They do not stack and are not intended to stack.
Reliable talent works on things your proficient in typically(because you add your proficiency bonus). Jack of all trade works on things your not.
Otherwise JoAT would work with expertise and its not intended to either.
Its funny because all sorts of other things stack. And JC’s rulings on that kind of stuff has been things named differently stack. Which is also hilarious because extra attack and thirsting blade should stack but they dont.
Thirsting Blade shouldn't stack in either version. In 5e, it says you can make 2 attacks instead of 1, and in 5.5e, it grants Extra Attack and describes it as doing the same, but also the Multiclassing rules explicitly call out that it doesn't stack. Regardless of ruleset, it doesn't say you gain an additional attack, it says you can make 2 attacks. Two different features both saying that don't add up to 3 attacks.
Anyway, in 5e (which was the relevant version when this was asked), you couldn't benefit from Expertise without Proficiency, meaning that anything with Expertise definitely applied Proficiency. JoAT looks at whether you're applying Proficiency or not, and isn't considered to be adding your Proficiency bonus. Reliable Talent doesn't apply to anything with JoAT active on it.
In 5.5e, this is even more clear: Skill proficiencies are something you have, and JoAT looks at whether you have it or not. So does RT. So if JoAT sees that you don't have that proficiency and grants its bonus, RT also sees that you don't have that proficiency and doesn't allow its use.
except the stacking rules explicitly says that abilities with different names do stack