So one of my players had befriended a mimic, is it possible to have it in the shape of a weapon, melee or ranged? If used as a melee weapon, how would that work?
My thought process would be something akin to the videogame/anime series God Eater.
In theory yes, but they better be certain that it is a great relationship :D If something goes wrong.. they forget to feed it or something... it could go very badly. Also, it likely would not enjoy being whacked against not just potentially edible opponents, but on misses, potentially against the wall or the floor and on parries, against actual weapons.
Not certain how many friends would accept being used by you as human shields against the weapons of your opponents.....
Unless the enemy is going to end up as that mimics food.
I would rule that the mimic takes damage on a hit. Impact damage is a thing, and the mimic would be most likely taking 1d4 bludgeoning each time it gets whacked against something, be it armor, shield, or creature. Plus, anything it hit would be stuck to it. (Adhesive trait)
The main thing to keep in mind with a mimic is that it's strength comes from it's grappling. Have it be shield. Opening move is for the PC to shield bash/shove an enemy, that enemy is instantly stuck to the mimic. Player then pulls out a second weapon, and two weapon attacks (or spells, etc) while the mimic goes to town on the enemy at advantage. Way OP, but fun.
Normal Mimics are medium sized creature. I would require you to be at least Large to use a Mimic as a two-handed weapon. It would do 1d8 damage bludgeoning damage and adhere to the victim. Next round you would have to let go as it grappled the victim, DC 13 to escape.
It's not about strength, it's about leverage. I routinely pick up 50 lb weights. Well, back when I went to the gym, I routinely picked up 50 lb weights. Now the heaviest thing I pick up is a 5 lb bag of flour.
But no one, not even the strongest person in the world, would use a 50 lb sword, because the center of balance is so far away from you. You could easily hold such a thing in a scabbard, but not if you tried to lunge. You would get tired swinging it, not carrying it. Largest real world effective weapon is around 15 lbs at most, and that is a Pike, which was never swung. You used it in formation and waited for the enemy to impale themselves on it. Anything above that is for show/intimidation, not battle use.
It's not about strength, it's about leverage. I routinely pick up 50 lb weights. Well, back when I went to the gym, I routinely picked up 50 lb weights. Now the heaviest thing I pick up is a 5 lb bag of flour.
But no one, not even the strongest person in the world, would use a 50 lb sword, because the center of balance is so far away from you. You could easily hold such a thing in a scabbard, but not if you tried to lunge. You would get tired swinging it, not carrying it. Largest real world effective weapon is around 15 lbs at most, and that is a Pike, which was never swung. You used it in formation and waited for the enemy to impale themselves on it. Anything above that is for show/intimidation, not battle use.
Ah. Okay. So if a player were to be able to pick up the mimic would more than like be DM ruling only, right?
It's not about strength, it's about leverage. I routinely pick up 50 lb weights. Well, back when I went to the gym, I routinely picked up 50 lb weights. Now the heaviest thing I pick up is a 5 lb bag of flour.
But no one, not even the strongest person in the world, would use a 50 lb sword, because the center of balance is so far away from you. You could easily hold such a thing in a scabbard, but not if you tried to lunge. You would get tired swinging it, not carrying it. Largest real world effective weapon is around 15 lbs at most, and that is a Pike, which was never swung. You used it in formation and waited for the enemy to impale themselves on it. Anything above that is for show/intimidation, not battle use.
(I was going to delete the first sentence here but I was doing something else and forgot. Sorry for any offence I may have caused)
The whole point in D&D is to be a mystical fantasy adventure not bogged down in overrealism. Not just am I arguing this for the point of it but for balance sake. Yes, being allowed to swing a 50lb sword is indeed balancing especially if your party is high level. If your party is high level then your fighter will try swinging around dealing a nice bit of damage while the Wizard alters reality to their likings with wish. "But its once per day" Can a level 20 fighter with all their might hope to do significant work on a mountain in one day? No. Can a level 20 wizard wake up and turn it into a fortress filled with traps (Guards and Wards) and monsters (various summoning spells) (level 20 necromancer being able to make a pet with infinite health via the homunculus spell). Does this need rebalancing? Yes. One more example being the spell Storm of Vengeance which if used correctly over several days could level a city alone. The fighter will get surrounded and mobbed if they try the same thing. Wizards can fly through several dimensions killing weaker foes with a single word or a point of their finger (pointing turns them into a zombie(finger of death)) while their comrade fighter is left with the scraps on the ground with a rather badly designed weapon system. You see?
Let him do it because that way later in the game things are a bit more fair.
So one of my players had befriended a mimic, is it possible to have it in the shape of a weapon, melee or ranged? If used as a melee weapon, how would that work?
My thought process would be something akin to the videogame/anime series God Eater.
What would any experienced players/DMs think?
So in my game, I have players who have befriended a very special mimic. It's essentially a very small (like those cute wooden chests you buy at novelty shops) bag of holding that also happens to be a growing mimic. My ruling is - the mimic can change shape (takes an action), but it must be the relative size of the mimic. So this small mimic for example, isn't large enough to be able to mimic the size of a full door.
But every DM would obviously handle this situation differently.
So one of my players had befriended a mimic, is it possible to have it in the shape of a weapon, melee or ranged? If used as a melee weapon, how would that work?
My thought process would be something akin to the videogame/anime series God Eater.
What would any experienced players/DMs think?
Unless the enemy is going to end up as that mimics food.
I would rule that the mimic takes damage on a hit. Impact damage is a thing, and the mimic would be most likely taking 1d4 bludgeoning each time it gets whacked against something, be it armor, shield, or creature. Plus, anything it hit would be stuck to it. (Adhesive trait)
The main thing to keep in mind with a mimic is that it's strength comes from it's grappling. Have it be shield. Opening move is for the PC to shield bash/shove an enemy, that enemy is instantly stuck to the mimic. Player then pulls out a second weapon, and two weapon attacks (or spells, etc) while the mimic goes to town on the enemy at advantage. Way OP, but fun.
I'm just thinking, how much a Mimic actually weighs. I do not think that it changes it's weight, even though it has another appearance.
Normal Mimics are medium sized creature. I would require you to be at least Large to use a Mimic as a two-handed weapon. It would do 1d8 damage bludgeoning damage and adhere to the victim. Next round you would have to let go as it grappled the victim, DC 13 to escape.
Or possible attach it to a throwing weapon, and chuck it at the enemy?
Looking at the medium sized Mimic, I would expect it to weigh 100-200 lbs.
Rather unwieldy for the use as a weapon.
What if wielded by a Ancestral Guardian barbarian with +5 strength, while raging, not using it as a ranged weapon?
It's not about strength, it's about leverage. I routinely pick up 50 lb weights. Well, back when I went to the gym, I routinely picked up 50 lb weights. Now the heaviest thing I pick up is a 5 lb bag of flour.
But no one, not even the strongest person in the world, would use a 50 lb sword, because the center of balance is so far away from you. You could easily hold such a thing in a scabbard, but not if you tried to lunge. You would get tired swinging it, not carrying it. Largest real world effective weapon is around 15 lbs at most, and that is a Pike, which was never swung. You used it in formation and waited for the enemy to impale themselves on it. Anything above that is for show/intimidation, not battle use.
Ah. Okay. So if a player were to be able to pick up the mimic would more than like be DM ruling only, right?
Every single aspect of using a mimic as a weapon would be a DM ruling.
Okay.
Using a friendly Mimic as a weapon is fine, I suppose, but I much prefer the idea of using a friendly Mimic as a boat...
Or a makeshift mountain?
(I was going to delete the first sentence here but I was doing something else and forgot. Sorry for any offence I may have caused)
The whole point in D&D is to be a mystical fantasy adventure not bogged down in overrealism. Not just am I arguing this for the point of it but for balance sake. Yes, being allowed to swing a 50lb sword is indeed balancing especially if your party is high level. If your party is high level then your fighter will try swinging around dealing a nice bit of damage while the Wizard alters reality to their likings with wish. "But its once per day" Can a level 20 fighter with all their might hope to do significant work on a mountain in one day? No. Can a level 20 wizard wake up and turn it into a fortress filled with traps (Guards and Wards) and monsters (various summoning spells) (level 20 necromancer being able to make a pet with infinite health via the homunculus spell). Does this need rebalancing? Yes. One more example being the spell Storm of Vengeance which if used correctly over several days could level a city alone. The fighter will get surrounded and mobbed if they try the same thing. Wizards can fly through several dimensions killing weaker foes with a single word or a point of their finger (pointing turns them into a zombie(finger of death)) while their comrade fighter is left with the scraps on the ground with a rather badly designed weapon system. You see?
Let him do it because that way later in the game things are a bit more fair.
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So in my game, I have players who have befriended a very special mimic. It's essentially a very small (like those cute wooden chests you buy at novelty shops) bag of holding that also happens to be a growing mimic. My ruling is - the mimic can change shape (takes an action), but it must be the relative size of the mimic. So this small mimic for example, isn't large enough to be able to mimic the size of a full door.
But every DM would obviously handle this situation differently.
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