Is Abeir ruled by elementals? I thought it was primordials? Though it has never been quite clear to me what makes something a primordial or not. They are not just elementals though. Ubtao and Dendar are primordials.
Alright, so... The concept of Abeir-Toril having been split in two worlds (by Ao, as a way to tell gods and primordials "Stop fighting, kids, here is a second ball") was introduced in 4e, which used the World Axis instead of the Great Wheel. This alternate cosmology was very, shall we say, compressed. There was the Astral Sea, the Feywild, the Mortal World, the Shadowfell, and the Elemental Chaos, plus the Far Realm in its usual "not really part of the rest" position, and that was basically it.
The 4e Elemental Chaos contained locales such as the City of Brass, but also githzerai monasteries and abyssal layers. Most strikingly, creatures such as slaadi and demons were reimagined with the elemental tag in their statblock. It is in this context that primordials were defined as the top dogs of the Elemental Chaos. They were mainly what 5e would likely still consider elementals, but weirder cases like Ubtao and Dendar were also counted among the lot.
The current 5e meaning of "primordial" is, I agree, kind of vague. SCAG lists Dendar as a Great Old One patron, so she is probably not a primordial. My take is that 5e primordials should simply be powerful elementals. Anyway, in my previous post, I said elementals specifically to, well, not have to explain all that (It didn't work, lol) and also to highlight why I would put Abeir in the Elemental Chaos.
Thanks, I am pretty good with 2e lore and decent as far as 5e goes but I skipped the 3e, 4e era so I often draw a blank. And I did notice that they called Ubtao a god in ToA. Will be interesting to see if the new Forgotten Realms books go into this.
There is far more bad than good in it. But you can fairly easily bring the lore back in. Why they decided space ships should have a move of 30 feet until out of the atmosphere ill never get.
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Alright, so... The concept of Abeir-Toril having been split in two worlds (by Ao, as a way to tell gods and primordials "Stop fighting, kids, here is a second ball") was introduced in 4e, which used the World Axis instead of the Great Wheel. This alternate cosmology was very, shall we say, compressed. There was the Astral Sea, the Feywild, the Mortal World, the Shadowfell, and the Elemental Chaos, plus the Far Realm in its usual "not really part of the rest" position, and that was basically it.
The 4e Elemental Chaos contained locales such as the City of Brass, but also githzerai monasteries and abyssal layers. Most strikingly, creatures such as slaadi and demons were reimagined with the elemental tag in their statblock. It is in this context that primordials were defined as the top dogs of the Elemental Chaos. They were mainly what 5e would likely still consider elementals, but weirder cases like Ubtao and Dendar were also counted among the lot.
The current 5e meaning of "primordial" is, I agree, kind of vague. SCAG lists Dendar as a Great Old One patron, so she is probably not a primordial. My take is that 5e primordials should simply be powerful elementals. Anyway, in my previous post, I said elementals specifically to, well, not have to explain all that (It didn't work, lol) and also to highlight why I would put Abeir in the Elemental Chaos.
Expanded 5e Spelljammer Cosmology
Thanks, I am pretty good with 2e lore and decent as far as 5e goes but I skipped the 3e, 4e era so I often draw a blank. And I did notice that they called Ubtao a god in ToA. Will be interesting to see if the new Forgotten Realms books go into this.
There is far more bad than good in it. But you can fairly easily bring the lore back in. Why they decided space ships should have a move of 30 feet until out of the atmosphere ill never get.