For a campaign I’m trying to find some info on Gods that have fallen from their position or have gone missing. I cant find anything substantial, does anyone know of any sources or know of any Gods that fit this criteria?
there's several - mystra, bane, torm, tyr, myrcle (spellling? the god of dead)...that's off the top of my kid's head.
Well, Mystryl became Mystra, so not really "falling" per se. And his name is spelled Myrkul. He was restored to life after the Second Sundering.
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there's several - mystra, bane, torm, tyr, myrcle (spellling? the god of dead)...that's off the top of my kid's head.
Well, Mystryl became Mystra, so not really "falling" per se. And his name is spelled Myrkul. He was restored to life after the Second Sundering.
i think midnight became mystra, but ya - most of the stories get resolved so things are pretty much the same at the end of the series as they were in the beginning
In the World of Greyhaw both Tharizdun (god of Entropy) and The Elder Elemental God Vilp-akf ’cho Rentaq are imprisoned/fallen. The former is somewhere ELSE (Far Outer Realms?) but a single Avatar is confined under The Forgottten Temple of Tharizdun in the Yatil Mountains.The Avatar was confined there by the Archmage Tsojcanth around the same time as The Twin Cataclysms (which may have partly been precipitated by said Avatar), approximately 1000 years before present (CY576).
The EEG is not only confined but his confinement vessels (in this case, originally a large obelisk) was shattered and the scattered pieces strewn about Oerth (at least 1 is below The Temple of Elemental Evil and the other is either in the Vault of the Drow itself or down on the large island in the midst of the Sunless Sea). Incidentally, the "keys" you find inside the platinum egg at the end of D3: Vault of the Drow/beginning of Q1: Queen of the Demonweb Pits each exactly match the Elemental Node Symbols found in The Temple of Elemental Evil (which are needed to access the hidden temple dedicated to the EEG).
In the World of Greyhaw both Tharizdun (god of Entropy) and The Elder Elemental God Vilp-akf ’cho Rentaq are imprisoned/fallen. The former is somewhere ELSE (Far Outer Realms?) but a single Avatar is confined under The Forgottten Temple of Tharizdun in the Yatil Mountains.The Avatar was confined there by the Archmage Tsojcanth around the same time as The Twin Cataclysms (which may have partly been precipitated by said Avatar), approximately 1000 years before present (CY576).
The EEG is not only confined but his confinement vessels (in this case, originally a large obelisk) was shattered and the scattered pieces strewn about Oerth (at least 1 is below The Temple of Elemental Evil and the other is either in the Vault of the Drow itself or down on the large island in the midst of the Sunless Sea). Incidentally, the "keys" you find inside the platinum egg at the end of D3: Vault of the Drow/beginning of Q1: Queen of the Demonweb Pits each exactly match the Elemental Node Symbols found in The Temple of Elemental Evil (which are needed to access the hidden temple dedicated to the EEG).
Funny that you should mention Tharizdun. A quest from the Adventurer's Tavern that occurred a few days ago was to go to the Far Realm and fight Tharizdun (for RP reasons).
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there's several - mystra, bane, torm, tyr, myrcle (spellling? the god of dead)...that's off the top of my kid's head.
Well, Mystryl became Mystra, so not really "falling" per se. And his name is spelled Myrkul. He was restored to life after the Second Sundering.
i think midnight became mystra, but ya - most of the stories get resolved so things are pretty much the same at the end of the series as they were in the beginning
Mystryl became Mystra became Midnight (who used the name Mystra) to died, now one of the Mystras is back again. The first one when she died wasn't completely destroyed; IIRC she remained as a magic elemental. I'm not sure it's clear who's in charge now, Mystra 1.0 reborn or Midnight (as Mystra) reborn.
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Any time an unfathomably powerful entity sweeps in and offers godlike rewards in return for just a few teensy favors, it’s a scam. Unless it’s me. I’d never lie to you, reader dearest.
Any time an unfathomably powerful entity sweeps in and offers godlike rewards in return for just a few teensy favors, it’s a scam. Unless it’s me. I’d never lie to you, reader dearest.
In the World of Greyhaw both Tharizdun (god of Entropy) and The Elder Elemental God Vilp-akf ’cho Rentaq are imprisoned/fallen. The former is somewhere ELSE (Far Outer Realms?) but a single Avatar is confined under The Forgottten Temple of Tharizdun in the Yatil Mountains.The Avatar was confined there by the Archmage Tsojcanth around the same time as The Twin Cataclysms (which may have partly been precipitated by said Avatar), approximately 1000 years before present (CY576).
The EEG is not only confined but his confinement vessels (in this case, originally a large obelisk) was shattered and the scattered pieces strewn about Oerth (at least 1 is below The Temple of Elemental Evil and the other is either in the Vault of the Drow itself or down on the large island in the midst of the Sunless Sea). Incidentally, the "keys" you find inside the platinum egg at the end of D3: Vault of the Drow/beginning of Q1: Queen of the Demonweb Pits each exactly match the Elemental Node Symbols found in The Temple of Elemental Evil (which are needed to access the hidden temple dedicated to the EEG).
Funny that you should mention Tharizdun. A quest from the Adventurer's Tavern that occurred a few days ago was to go to the Far Realm and fight Tharizdun (for RP reasons).
Totally 😊
Also, the corpses of dead gods usually end up in the Astral Plane after they die. For real.
So Tharizdun and the Elder Elemental Eye from Princes of the Apocalypse are NOT the same god? I always conflated them.
In the World of Greyhaw both Tharizdun (god of Entropy) and The Elder Elemental God Vilp-akf ’cho Rentaq are imprisoned/fallen. The former is somewhere ELSE (Far Outer Realms?) but a single Avatar is confined under The Forgottten Temple of Tharizdun in the Yatil Mountains.The Avatar was confined there by the Archmage Tsojcanth around the same time as The Twin Cataclysms (which may have partly been precipitated by said Avatar), approximately 1000 years before present (CY576).
The EEG is not only confined but his confinement vessels (in this case, originally a large obelisk) was shattered and the scattered pieces strewn about Oerth (at least 1 is below The Temple of Elemental Evil and the other is either in the Vault of the Drow itself or down on the large island in the midst of the Sunless Sea). Incidentally, the "keys" you find inside the platinum egg at the end of D3: Vault of the Drow/beginning of Q1: Queen of the Demonweb Pits each exactly match the Elemental Node Symbols found in The Temple of Elemental Evil (which are needed to access the hidden temple dedicated to the EEG).
Funny that you should mention Tharizdun. A quest from the Adventurer's Tavern that occurred a few days ago was to go to the Far Realm and fight Tharizdun (for RP reasons).
Totally 😊
Also, the corpses of dead gods usually end up in the Astral Plane after they die. For real.
So Tharizdun and the Elder Elemental Eye from Princes of the Apocalypse are NOT the same god? I always conflated them.
Monte Cook was the one that made them one and the same, for reasons that I'm not even sure make sense. 3E tended to do that kind of thing. Since the creator of the Elder Elemental God (Gygax) and Tharzdun (Rob Kuntz) were both still alive at the time, I take their word over some later retcon.
In the World of Greyhaw both Tharizdun (god of Entropy) and The Elder Elemental God Vilp-akf ’cho Rentaq are imprisoned/fallen. The former is somewhere ELSE (Far Outer Realms?) but a single Avatar is confined under The Forgottten Temple of Tharizdun in the Yatil Mountains.The Avatar was confined there by the Archmage Tsojcanth around the same time as The Twin Cataclysms (which may have partly been precipitated by said Avatar), approximately 1000 years before present (CY576).
The EEG is not only confined but his confinement vessels (in this case, originally a large obelisk) was shattered and the scattered pieces strewn about Oerth (at least 1 is below The Temple of Elemental Evil and the other is either in the Vault of the Drow itself or down on the large island in the midst of the Sunless Sea). Incidentally, the "keys" you find inside the platinum egg at the end of D3: Vault of the Drow/beginning of Q1: Queen of the Demonweb Pits each exactly match the Elemental Node Symbols found in The Temple of Elemental Evil (which are needed to access the hidden temple dedicated to the EEG).
Funny that you should mention Tharizdun. A quest from the Adventurer's Tavern that occurred a few days ago was to go to the Far Realm and fight Tharizdun (for RP reasons).
Totally 😊
Also, the corpses of dead gods usually end up in the Astral Plane after they die. For real.
So Tharizdun and the Elder Elemental Eye from Princes of the Apocalypse are NOT the same god? I always conflated them.
Monte Cook was the one that made them one and the same, for reasons that I'm not even sure make sense. 3E tended to do that kind of thing. Since the creator of the Elder Elemental God (Gygax) and Tharzdun (Rob Kuntz) were both still alive at the time, I take their word over some later retcon.
there's several - mystra, bane, torm, tyr, myrcle (spellling? the god of dead)...that's off the top of my kid's head.
Well, Mystryl became Mystra, so not really "falling" per se. And his name is spelled Myrkul. He was restored to life after the Second Sundering.
i think midnight became mystra, but ya - most of the stories get resolved so things are pretty much the same at the end of the series as they were in the beginning
Mystryl became Mystra became Midnight (who used the name Mystra) to died, now one of the Mystras is back again. The first one when she died wasn't completely destroyed; IIRC she remained as a magic elemental. I'm not sure it's clear who's in charge now, Mystra 1.0 reborn or Midnight (as Mystra) reborn.
Mystra (Midnight) is the current one since she didn't completely die from Cyric's hand, was only diminished.
There is a scene in the Herald where she is called "Mother" by Storm Silverhand and she answers "An inherited title I still feel unworthy of". It's worth noting though that once she became Mystra and got access to what memories previous Mystra and Mystryl left in the Weave, there is little left of Midnight there.
So Tharizdun and the Elder Elemental Eye from Princes of the Apocalypse are NOT the same god? I always conflated them.
Oh, yea, also meant to say that Vilp-akf ’cho Rentaq is only 1 of 3 Elder Elemental Gods. The one from Princes of the Apocalypse is the Toril one (Ghanadur, I think is the name?). Also, Tharizdun has a form (according to Gygax's novel Come Endless Darkness, which is part of his Gord the Rogue series) a huge, bald, humanoid man, with claws, greenish-black skin, and pointed ears. Vilp-akf ’cho Rentaq, on the other hand, appears only in his true form (since he's been defeated/diminished) as a gigantic purpley squid-like thing with 10-hairy tentacles (ick!). A better way to think of them is that Tharizdun is basically Azathoth and Vilp-akf ’cho Rentaq is Cthulhu.
there's several - mystra, bane, torm, tyr, myrcle (spellling? the god of dead)...that's off the top of my kid's head.
Well, Mystryl became Mystra, so not really "falling" per se. And his name is spelled Myrkul. He was restored to life after the Second Sundering.
i think midnight became mystra, but ya - most of the stories get resolved so things are pretty much the same at the end of the series as they were in the beginning
Mystryl became Mystra became Midnight (who used the name Mystra) to died, now one of the Mystras is back again. The first one when she died wasn't completely destroyed; IIRC she remained as a magic elemental. I'm not sure it's clear who's in charge now, Mystra 1.0 reborn or Midnight (as Mystra) reborn.
Mystra (Midnight) is the current one since she didn't completely die from Cyric's hand, was only diminished.
There is a scene in the Herald where she is called "Mother" by Storm Silverhand and she answers "An inherited title I still feel unworthy of". It's worth noting though that once she became Mystra and got access to what memories previous Mystra and Mystryl left in the Weave, there is little left of Midnight there.
Cheers. I haven't read most of the newer novels.
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Any time an unfathomably powerful entity sweeps in and offers godlike rewards in return for just a few teensy favors, it’s a scam. Unless it’s me. I’d never lie to you, reader dearest.
The nice thing about missing deities is that we have no idea how many exist or who they were. Several stories have deities that were lost simply due to being forgotten or stricken from memory and rediscovered by various means. That means there are very likely a lot more out there waiting for rediscovery. Several stories have such rediscovered deities being reduced to a former glimmer of themselves and rebuilding their congregation and personality from a mere kernel of what they were prior, resulting in new deities with different dogmas having learned from their own mistakes... or their failing to let go of the past including their fall from favor driving them to be deranged versions of their former selves.
Create a new god that was more forgotten than lost.
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Hi all,
For a campaign I’m trying to find some info on Gods that have fallen from their position or have gone missing. I cant find anything substantial, does anyone know of any sources or know of any Gods that fit this criteria?
thank you!
there's several - mystra, bane, torm, tyr, myrcle (spellling? the god of dead)...that's off the top of my kid's head.
Guide to the Five Factions (PWYW)
Deck of Decks
Well, Mystryl became Mystra, so not really "falling" per se. And his name is spelled Myrkul. He was restored to life after the Second Sundering.
All stars fade. Some stars forever fall.
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If there was no light, people wouldn't fear the dark.
and bahal and moandir (spelling?)
Guide to the Five Factions (PWYW)
Deck of Decks
i think midnight became mystra, but ya - most of the stories get resolved so things are pretty much the same at the end of the series as they were in the beginning
Guide to the Five Factions (PWYW)
Deck of Decks
In the World of Greyhaw both Tharizdun (god of Entropy) and The Elder Elemental God Vilp-akf ’cho Rentaq are imprisoned/fallen. The former is somewhere ELSE (Far Outer Realms?) but a single Avatar is confined under The Forgottten Temple of Tharizdun in the Yatil Mountains.The Avatar was confined there by the Archmage Tsojcanth around the same time as The Twin Cataclysms (which may have partly been precipitated by said Avatar), approximately 1000 years before present (CY576).
The EEG is not only confined but his confinement vessels (in this case, originally a large obelisk) was shattered and the scattered pieces strewn about Oerth (at least 1 is below The Temple of Elemental Evil and the other is either in the Vault of the Drow itself or down on the large island in the midst of the Sunless Sea). Incidentally, the "keys" you find inside the platinum egg at the end of D3: Vault of the Drow/beginning of Q1: Queen of the Demonweb Pits each exactly match the Elemental Node Symbols found in The Temple of Elemental Evil (which are needed to access the hidden temple dedicated to the EEG).
Funny that you should mention Tharizdun. A quest from the Adventurer's Tavern that occurred a few days ago was to go to the Far Realm and fight Tharizdun (for RP reasons).
All stars fade. Some stars forever fall.
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If there was no light, people wouldn't fear the dark.
Mystryl became Mystra became Midnight (who used the name Mystra) to died, now one of the Mystras is back again. The first one when she died wasn't completely destroyed; IIRC she remained as a magic elemental. I'm not sure it's clear who's in charge now, Mystra 1.0 reborn or Midnight (as Mystra) reborn.
Any time an unfathomably powerful entity sweeps in and offers godlike rewards in return for just a few teensy favors, it’s a scam. Unless it’s me. I’d never lie to you, reader dearest.
Tasha
from Forgotten Realms, the ones that are still dead/gone to the best of my knowledge are:
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Iyachtu_Xvim
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Mystryl
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Cyric (imprisoned)
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Zandilar_the_Dancer (sort of, merged with Sharess)
Any time an unfathomably powerful entity sweeps in and offers godlike rewards in return for just a few teensy favors, it’s a scam. Unless it’s me. I’d never lie to you, reader dearest.
Tasha
Totally 😊
Also, the corpses of dead gods usually end up in the Astral Plane after they die. For real.
So Tharizdun and the Elder Elemental Eye from Princes of the Apocalypse are NOT the same god? I always conflated them.
Monte Cook was the one that made them one and the same, for reasons that I'm not even sure make sense. 3E tended to do that kind of thing. Since the creator of the Elder Elemental God (Gygax) and Tharzdun (Rob Kuntz) were both still alive at the time, I take their word over some later retcon.
Okay. Thanks.
Mystra (Midnight) is the current one since she didn't completely die from Cyric's hand, was only diminished.
There is a scene in the Herald where she is called "Mother" by Storm Silverhand and she answers "An inherited title I still feel unworthy of". It's worth noting though that once she became Mystra and got access to what memories previous Mystra and Mystryl left in the Weave, there is little left of Midnight there.
Oh, yea, also meant to say that Vilp-akf ’cho Rentaq is only 1 of 3 Elder Elemental Gods. The one from Princes of the Apocalypse is the Toril one (Ghanadur, I think is the name?). Also, Tharizdun has a form (according to Gygax's novel Come Endless Darkness, which is part of his Gord the Rogue series) a huge, bald, humanoid man, with claws, greenish-black skin, and pointed ears. Vilp-akf ’cho Rentaq, on the other hand, appears only in his true form (since he's been defeated/diminished) as a gigantic purpley squid-like thing with 10-hairy tentacles (ick!). A better way to think of them is that Tharizdun is basically Azathoth and Vilp-akf ’cho Rentaq is Cthulhu.
Cheers. I haven't read most of the newer novels.
Any time an unfathomably powerful entity sweeps in and offers godlike rewards in return for just a few teensy favors, it’s a scam. Unless it’s me. I’d never lie to you, reader dearest.
Tasha
The nice thing about missing deities is that we have no idea how many exist or who they were. Several stories have deities that were lost simply due to being forgotten or stricken from memory and rediscovered by various means. That means there are very likely a lot more out there waiting for rediscovery. Several stories have such rediscovered deities being reduced to a former glimmer of themselves and rebuilding their congregation and personality from a mere kernel of what they were prior, resulting in new deities with different dogmas having learned from their own mistakes... or their failing to let go of the past including their fall from favor driving them to be deranged versions of their former selves.
Create a new god that was more forgotten than lost.
Human. Male. Possibly. Don't be a divider.
My characters' backgrounds are written like instruction manuals rather than stories. My opinion and preferences don't mean you're wrong.
I am 99.7603% convinced that the digital dice are messing with me. I roll high when nobody's looking and low when anyone else can see.🎲
“It's a bit early to be thinking about an epitaph. No?” will be my epitaph.