Monstrous Compendium Vol. 1: Spelljammer Creatures
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I voted for 2014. The contested checks model just makes more sense than the arbitrary DC 15 requirement.
I prefer 2014 for Contest to become unseen and unheard as opposed to 2024 with DC 15 to have the Invisible condition.
Which is the entire point of passive scores.
First of all, it's by no means identical. Secondly, making it cleaner would be "Invisible: you cannot be seen. See rules for unseen attackers" and then not using the invisible status for hiding creatures, because hiding creatures can be seen, it just requires a roll.
In every case in the rules other than hide, that's exactly what the invisible condition means.
Make a poll, only to argue with anyone who disagrees with you?
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https://www.dndbeyond.com/forums/dungeons-dragons-discussion/rules-game-mechanics/239671-should-passive-perception-be-lower
That does seem to be the trend…
I would note that the vast majority of monsters either have passive perception less than 15, or have an ability (blindsight or truesight) that makes 2024 stealth completely useless, so the primary beneficiary of using passive perception is PCs.
Although in weird situations where you can't go invisible (See Faerie Fire), the 2024 hide is at a disadvantage. Although those situations will be rare.
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It means the DM doesn't need to check against all the Passive Perceptions on the board when you initially Hide (only if it comes up later, at their discretion). Which can make play go faster.
Failing that check means you never went into hiding, essentially, was my parsing. You hit the DC15, you're hidden, then it's a check to see if someone looking for you succeeds. If you don't hit it, you never get the condition in the first place.
Not my favourite mechanic.
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I think the 2024 hide rules are pretty good, but the DC 15 should be replaced with a dm adjudicated dc and a supplementary table providing examples.
Howling blizzard? dc 5
Plain room? dc 25
etc
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Probably they were following the Passive Perception from the monsters, DC 15 is bigger than most of the monster of CR 1 Passive Perception.
It doesn't. It just means that being hidden doesn't do anything, and you get instantly found if you aren't heavily obscured.
For me I think having a standard check makes investment in stealth better. No matter what it takes a certain level of "skill" to be stealthy so having a static DC makes that work. Since staying hidden is based on the observers skills it also makes better work. Now at least if a Boss has a passive of like 29 Perception, the rogue can at least still hide and get their benefits since their +230000 to stealth will normally break that DC 15 check.