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Pretty straightforward. I've been a steady Beyond subscriber for 5 years, and have purchased a bunch of books and stuff. Unfortunately, I'm also a union man, so I can't support a company that meets organizing efforts with resistance.
Recognize your union and give them a fair contract, or you will lose my support as a customer. That's all. I don't need D&D Beyond to play D&D. I could actually play D&D for the rest of my life and never spend a dime on another Wizards product.
Your call.
While I can't fault the sentiment, this is probably not the most effective channel to use for sending messages, particularly since the union effort appears to be in the MtG division.
I disagree. I think a company needs to be made to understand how union resistance efforts, even for one product in a portfolio, has ripple effects with its customer base across all divisions. And I deem a forum thread that can presumably have others chime in to be a more effective method of communicating that than, say, sending an email into the void.
Effective messaging requires the target of the messaging to actually receive the message.
So upvote the thread.
You’re vastly overestimating how much significance this forums has to the people making decisions about such things.
This isn't reddit. And outside of a mod or a community manager, I doubt anyone who makes real decisions sees the proclivities of this forum beyond a very small and localized datapoint. We are traditionally not a statistically significant sample size.
That said, go off. Having employees see that they are supported across multiple channels is a morale booster if nothing else.
I'd be cautious regarding the subject.
It feels like a ToS trap to even discuss unionization anywhere Hasbro owns. Not just in WotC spaces.
But this raises questions:
How many times have people threatened to ragequit, only for the hyper-majority of them to come back?
& how many people most active in protesting even still have money unpulled from being spent? ESPECIALLY websites & content creators who shit-talk DND, yet their livelihoods depend on not purging it from their lives?
Furthermore:Hasbro pulls horrible shit all the time across all of its divisions. If this is your breaking point, why weren't the other times they've been bad to workers or done other stuff I don't think I can mention, the breaker?
The sentiment is good, but it feels like it's reactionary in motivation, & not thought out thoroughly or consistent with tangible actions.
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Once made Maxwell's Silver Hammer come down upon Strahd's head to make sure he was dead.
Always study & sharpen philosophical razors. They save a lot of trouble.
As the offspring of a union steward I can tell you that their membership is more likely to follow through on a threat than most. That professional social media people who make a living off from the D&D brand without paying royalties struggle to follow through on such threats shouldn't be surprising to anyone who follows the money.
While this may not be the "best" place to apply pressure, it is an effective place to do so. DNDBeyond caved to the demands of preserving 5.0 (2014) based almost entirely upon a rebellion in these forums. The mods even shut down my efforts to organize a group of players to publish every spell from 2014 as homebrew content by changing the flavor text, and adding examples from Sage Advice.
If it was the D&D team that was unionizing, sure, but it's not; it's MtG people (or some part of them).
Holy moly the hubris. I think I’d short term ban you just for the hell of it at this point.
Oh, let's talk politics while searching for treasure and fighting dragons. I'm sure a few consortiums would love to hear that their workers have unionized. Hell, that could make a great encounter, especially in an evil country.
Twenty posts in 6 years. Not much input to the site.
You never cared about a lack of union until now.
And you think your demand is going to make it up to the top brass.
Just to counter you.
If they unionize I will quit. I don't need D&DB to play. yada yada yada.
I find this comment a bit odd. Why mention "without paying royalties" - what would they pay royalties for? Discussing D&D? You don't need to pay any royalties for that, nobody does, it's covered under Fair Use. Also several top D&D-focused social media people would absolutely switch away from D&D if needed and the cause was worth doing so. Several had plans to do that during the OGL debacle. It wouldn't have ended their careers - they have made very successful content on other TTRPGs and some already have talents for other things like Ginny Di who is also a very talented singer who has released, and makes money from, her music. She already had a social media following before she ever started youtube due to her cosplay and music. Will from DnD Shorts had a fanbase years before creating that channel due to other Youtube projects he did before that, such as WhatCulture. And as proof it could be done, some major D&D youtubers decided to move away from D&D and even developed their own TTRPGs such as MCDM/Draw Steel and DC20.
Also worth noting these social media people are the biggest reasons why WotC/Hasbro caved about the OGL - they used their following to pressure WotC/Hasbro and it worked.
That worked because that was only regarding this site - how D&D Beyond alone would approach adding 2024 to this site. It had nothing to do with anymore more. It is therefore obvious that feedback from this site's forums would impact decisions on this site. The only people we needed to reach were those in charge of this site specifically and would therefore be paying attention to this site, not those in charge of WotC in general many of whom will rarely see this site and some might have never seen this site, let alone these forums, in their lives. There is therefore a very massive difference between posting on here about stuff that only affects this site and posting here to affect stuff in WotC in general.
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Will being a WhatCulture guy explains his clickbait content & bombastic usage of industrial espionage.
Again, the sentiment is nice. Unions are good, & they deserve respect.
It's just that snap reactions from people who aren't members and/or Magic:The Gathering customers specifically, based on emotional rushes don't help in this case.
Support is good. But ragequit threats aren't going to work on here where it isn't AS relevant.
You want my advice? Get Tolarian Community College & other M:TG content creators & critics in on this. They're FAR more effective at asking people to stick it to the IP lawyers who came up with this(dodgy because it's reliant on hard-to-read fine print that only a lawyer could understand in the Uberfied contractor setup) policy.
We're not at the point where economic blackouts in solidarity are effective blows yet, so wait to go full Red Lantern w/this.
DM, player & homebrewer(Current homebrew project is an unofficial conversion of SBURB/SGRUB from Homestuck into DND 5e)
Once made Maxwell's Silver Hammer come down upon Strahd's head to make sure he was dead.
Always study & sharpen philosophical razors. They save a lot of trouble.
Agreed.
Also agreed.
My personal take? I don't really have one. This is between WotC and the employees and how unions/laws work in a country I'm not part of. I hope they succeed and get their union, but I'm not going to quit D&D if they don't. Sometimes bosses are shitty. It is what it is. You always have the option to look for other employment - I know that's easier said than done (believe me, I've been there) but sincerely doubt it's some "it's this job or they never work ever again anywhere else". It's not some ragequit level of a big deal. Just a company being a normal company and America being America (I say this because as a foreigner it's kinda baffling you need all these hoops to make unions to get extra rights/protections when in my country we get all those as part of our basic legal employee rights, no unions needed - so for those that have more personal stake in this and really want to improve things, maybe reach out to your local government to look into improving basic employee rights without needing unions?).
I know this seems selfish but my compassion has to have some limits and be choosy on which emotional battles to have. Same reason I'm not crying at the thousands of people who have lost their lives in the space of time it has taken me to type this. This isn't my battle. The outcome of the 'union drama' will have no bearing on me, anyone I personally know, or the D&D hobby, or anything like that at any level that I would find concerning. WotC acting like a very normal common company, doesn't enrage me. It's a bit disappointing of course, but oh well. I have no emotional stake in this. So, all I can do is genuinely wish the employees the best of luck. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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