Sadie walks up to cody with a slurpee and asks "What's got you down?"
“Nothing. Don’t worry about it.”
*Fry do you want to run this escape encounter or do you wanna give me details so I can?*
*Ummmmm the encounter on friday right? Idk how I'll feel gimme until thurs. and escape?*
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I'm Fry, a doodler, writer, aspiring singer/songwriter, and sort-of youtuber (check me out!) goofin' around on the interwebs Soli Deo Gloria(Sed servus eius crustulum vult) I'm a disabled, neurodivergent, dumpster fire, and somewhat of a clown, but I do my best :3 Crafter of Constellations, vocaloid enjoyer, waluigi’s #1 fan, space alien, undead cutie pie, danganer of ronpas, and certified silly goose Internet big sib to aspeninthetrees, TheGatoLover, (and hopefully more)
Sadie walks up to cody with a slurpee and asks "What's got you down?"
“Nothing. Don’t worry about it.”
*Fry do you want to run this escape encounter or do you wanna give me details so I can?*
*Ummmmm the encounter on friday right? Idk how I'll feel gimme until thurs. and escape?*
*I’m talking about this plan that Monks is devising for Cody, Rade, Peter, and maybe Devin to try to escape*
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My name’s Gradius, this is my second account :P I love Hollow Knight and I have been on ddb for a while. Come rp with me anytime! It is my purpose. My title that was given to me by Drummer is…SPIRIT OF THE WEST, GUARDIAN OF THE HOLLOWS.
No cost too great. No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering. Born of God and Void.
“Man, when didn’t I get here?” Cody sits down on the floor. “I want outta here.”
“Okay, but keep silent until we can get Devin in the know. I’ll go to the cafeteria and get a Snickers and a Coke Zero when it’s time to leave.”
“Coke zero? Really man?”
“I need something that I won’t usually drink to be the signal, shut up.”
Cody sighs. “At least it isn’t new coke. Marshmallow’s totally breaking up with me for this.” He chuckles a little bit. “Oh, forgot to mention this, but the fan room leads to a storage room on a different floor.”
“Any way to get through without being murdered?”
“Uh. Not for you. But I can open the elevator from the other floor.”
My name’s Gradius, this is my second account :P I love Hollow Knight and I have been on ddb for a while. Come rp with me anytime! It is my purpose. My title that was given to me by Drummer is…SPIRIT OF THE WEST, GUARDIAN OF THE HOLLOWS.
No cost too great. No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering. Born of God and Void.
Sadie walks up to cody with a slurpee and asks "What's got you down?"
“Nothing. Don’t worry about it.”
*Fry do you want to run this escape encounter or do you wanna give me details so I can?*
*Ummmmm the encounter on friday right? Idk how I'll feel gimme until thurs. and escape?*
*I’m talking about this plan that Monks is devising for Cody, Rade, Peter, and maybe Devin to try to escape*
* idk what would happen after that, seems kinda final. But go ahead, run it. if you have a plan*
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I'm Fry, a doodler, writer, aspiring singer/songwriter, and sort-of youtuber (check me out!) goofin' around on the interwebs Soli Deo Gloria(Sed servus eius crustulum vult) I'm a disabled, neurodivergent, dumpster fire, and somewhat of a clown, but I do my best :3 Crafter of Constellations, vocaloid enjoyer, waluigi’s #1 fan, space alien, undead cutie pie, danganer of ronpas, and certified silly goose Internet big sib to aspeninthetrees, TheGatoLover, (and hopefully more)
“Man, when didn’t I get here?” Cody sits down on the floor. “I want outta here.”
“Okay, but keep silent until we can get Devin in the know. I’ll go to the cafeteria and get a Snickers and a Coke Zero when it’s time to leave.”
“Coke zero? Really man?”
“I need something that I won’t usually drink to be the signal, shut up.”
Cody sighs. “At least it isn’t new coke. Marshmallow’s totally breaking up with me for this.” He chuckles a little bit. “Oh, forgot to mention this, but the fan room leads to a storage room on a different floor.”
“Any way to get through without being murdered?”
“Uh. Not for you. But I can open the elevator from the other floor.”
Sounds good, we’ll wait for you there. Any idea what kind of security they got on the other floors?”
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I’m a decent DM and an above average rules lawyer I have several complete Pokedexes | I may be stupid, but at least I’m not smart! My favorite characters from dead threads; AMA: Aria, Rade, Kiano & Luz, Juniper, Ezra & Dr. Paine, Xi & his siblings, Misa Stay Paranoid!!! My Drummer given title is Swift as the Dragon, but The Diabolical One named me Virex the Whisperbrand, Architect of Echoes May the dice roll ever in your favor
Sadie walks up to cody with a slurpee and asks "What's got you down?"
“Nothing. Don’t worry about it.”
*Fry do you want to run this escape encounter or do you wanna give me details so I can?*
*Ummmmm the encounter on friday right? Idk how I'll feel gimme until thurs. and escape?*
*I’m talking about this plan that Monks is devising for Cody, Rade, Peter, and maybe Devin to try to escape*
* idk what would happen after that, seems kinda final. But go ahead, run it. if you have a plan*
*but the other floors would have higher security*
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I'm Fry, a doodler, writer, aspiring singer/songwriter, and sort-of youtuber (check me out!) goofin' around on the interwebs Soli Deo Gloria(Sed servus eius crustulum vult) I'm a disabled, neurodivergent, dumpster fire, and somewhat of a clown, but I do my best :3 Crafter of Constellations, vocaloid enjoyer, waluigi’s #1 fan, space alien, undead cutie pie, danganer of ronpas, and certified silly goose Internet big sib to aspeninthetrees, TheGatoLover, (and hopefully more)
Sadie walks up to cody with a slurpee and asks "What's got you down?"
“Nothing. Don’t worry about it.”
*Fry do you want to run this escape encounter or do you wanna give me details so I can?*
*Ummmmm the encounter on friday right? Idk how I'll feel gimme until thurs. and escape?*
*I’m talking about this plan that Monks is devising for Cody, Rade, Peter, and maybe Devin to try to escape*
* idk what would happen after that, seems kinda final. But go ahead, run it. if you have a plan*
*but the other floors would have higher security*
*Yep. That would be part of it. You’d have to let me know the floor layout in a pm.*
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My name’s Gradius, this is my second account :P I love Hollow Knight and I have been on ddb for a while. Come rp with me anytime! It is my purpose. My title that was given to me by Drummer is…SPIRIT OF THE WEST, GUARDIAN OF THE HOLLOWS.
No cost too great. No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering. Born of God and Void.
“Man, when didn’t I get here?” Cody sits down on the floor. “I want outta here.”
“Okay, but keep silent until we can get Devin in the know. I’ll go to the cafeteria and get a Snickers and a Coke Zero when it’s time to leave.”
“Coke zero? Really man?”
“I need something that I won’t usually drink to be the signal, shut up.”
Cody sighs. “At least it isn’t new coke. Marshmallow’s totally breaking up with me for this.” He chuckles a little bit. “Oh, forgot to mention this, but the fan room leads to a storage room on a different floor.”
“Any way to get through without being murdered?”
“Uh. Not for you. But I can open the elevator from the other floor.”
Sounds good, we’ll wait for you there. Any idea what kind of security they got on the other floors?”
“No idea. The floor I got into was just an office kinda.”
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My name’s Gradius, this is my second account :P I love Hollow Knight and I have been on ddb for a while. Come rp with me anytime! It is my purpose. My title that was given to me by Drummer is…SPIRIT OF THE WEST, GUARDIAN OF THE HOLLOWS.
No cost too great. No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering. Born of God and Void.
*Question, do you guys actually want this mission to succeed? It would mean losing your characters.*
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My name’s Gradius, this is my second account :P I love Hollow Knight and I have been on ddb for a while. Come rp with me anytime! It is my purpose. My title that was given to me by Drummer is…SPIRIT OF THE WEST, GUARDIAN OF THE HOLLOWS.
No cost too great. No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering. Born of God and Void.
*Question, do you guys actually want this mission to succeed? It would mean losing your characters.*
*it would be nice if it would somehow further the story. Maybe a brief time in the run, then they could run into some of DAO’s enemies and get involved again or something*
*Question, do you guys actually want this mission to succeed? It would mean losing your characters.*
*it would be nice if it would somehow further the story. Maybe a brief time in the run, then they could run into some of DAO’s enemies and get involved again or something*
*WE COUOD MAKE A LITTLE PM PBP OF THEM BEING ON THE RUN*
*I think that would actually be so fun cause they could be away for a while and actually have an adventure and stories to tell.*
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My name’s Gradius, this is my second account :P I love Hollow Knight and I have been on ddb for a while. Come rp with me anytime! It is my purpose. My title that was given to me by Drummer is…SPIRIT OF THE WEST, GUARDIAN OF THE HOLLOWS.
No cost too great. No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering. Born of God and Void.
I'm Fry, a doodler, writer, aspiring singer/songwriter, and sort-of youtuber (check me out!) goofin' around on the interwebs Soli Deo Gloria(Sed servus eius crustulum vult) I'm a disabled, neurodivergent, dumpster fire, and somewhat of a clown, but I do my best :3 Crafter of Constellations, vocaloid enjoyer, waluigi’s #1 fan, space alien, undead cutie pie, danganer of ronpas, and certified silly goose Internet big sib to aspeninthetrees, TheGatoLover, (and hopefully more)
*Yeah for sure. I’m actually hooked on the pbp idea*
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My name’s Gradius, this is my second account :P I love Hollow Knight and I have been on ddb for a while. Come rp with me anytime! It is my purpose. My title that was given to me by Drummer is…SPIRIT OF THE WEST, GUARDIAN OF THE HOLLOWS.
No cost too great. No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering. Born of God and Void.
*Question, do you guys actually want this mission to succeed? It would mean losing your characters.*
*it would be nice if it would somehow further the story. Maybe a brief time in the run, then they could run into some of DAO’s enemies and get involved again or something*
*WE COUOD MAKE A LITTLE PM PBP OF THEM BEING ON THE RUN*
*I think that would actually be so fun cause they could be away for a while and actually have an adventure and stories to tell.*
*YEAH!!! Out in the world with their anomalies*
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I go by “Awe” JSYK. Drummer also named me EPIC CRIT ROLLER OF LEGEND!
“A wizard is never late, Frodo Baggins. Nor is he early. He arrives precisely when he means to!”
*Yeah for sure. I’m actually hooked on the pbp idea*
*idk wich tho. maybe just jas*
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I'm Fry, a doodler, writer, aspiring singer/songwriter, and sort-of youtuber (check me out!) goofin' around on the interwebs Soli Deo Gloria(Sed servus eius crustulum vult) I'm a disabled, neurodivergent, dumpster fire, and somewhat of a clown, but I do my best :3 Crafter of Constellations, vocaloid enjoyer, waluigi’s #1 fan, space alien, undead cutie pie, danganer of ronpas, and certified silly goose Internet big sib to aspeninthetrees, TheGatoLover, (and hopefully more)
*Question, do you guys actually want this mission to succeed? It would mean losing your characters.*
*it would be nice if it would somehow further the story. Maybe a brief time in the run, then they could run into some of DAO’s enemies and get involved again or something*
*WE COUOD MAKE A LITTLE PM PBP OF THEM BEING ON THE RUN*
*I think that would actually be so fun cause they could be away for a while and actually have an adventure and stories to tell.*
*YEAH!!! Out in the world with their anomalies*
*Thats gonna be so fun. I’ll have to figure out a reason for them to come back though.*
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My name’s Gradius, this is my second account :P I love Hollow Knight and I have been on ddb for a while. Come rp with me anytime! It is my purpose. My title that was given to me by Drummer is…SPIRIT OF THE WEST, GUARDIAN OF THE HOLLOWS.
No cost too great. No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering. Born of God and Void.
*Question, do you guys actually want this mission to succeed? It would mean losing your characters.*
*it would be nice if it would somehow further the story. Maybe a brief time in the run, then they could run into some of DAO’s enemies and get involved again or something*
*WE COUOD MAKE A LITTLE PM PBP OF THEM BEING ON THE RUN*
*I think that would actually be so fun cause they could be away for a while and actually have an adventure and stories to tell.*
*YEAH!!! Out in the world with their anomalies*
*Thats gonna be so fun. I’ll have to figure out a reason for them to come back though.*
*As I said, they could run into some of DAO’s enemies. Than into DAO itself. I think that’d be interesting*
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I go by “Awe” JSYK. Drummer also named me EPIC CRIT ROLLER OF LEGEND!
“A wizard is never late, Frodo Baggins. Nor is he early. He arrives precisely when he means to!”
I'm Fry, a doodler, writer, aspiring singer/songwriter, and sort-of youtuber (check me out!) goofin' around on the interwebs Soli Deo Gloria(Sed servus eius crustulum vult) I'm a disabled, neurodivergent, dumpster fire, and somewhat of a clown, but I do my best :3 Crafter of Constellations, vocaloid enjoyer, waluigi’s #1 fan, space alien, undead cutie pie, danganer of ronpas, and certified silly goose Internet big sib to aspeninthetrees, TheGatoLover, (and hopefully more)
*Maybe they have to retreat to DAO and they realize it’s the safest place to be for them*
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My name’s Gradius, this is my second account :P I love Hollow Knight and I have been on ddb for a while. Come rp with me anytime! It is my purpose. My title that was given to me by Drummer is…SPIRIT OF THE WEST, GUARDIAN OF THE HOLLOWS.
No cost too great. No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering. Born of God and Void.
*Maybe they have to retreat to DAO and they realize it’s the safest place to be for them*
*b/c notus hunts them down*
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I'm Fry, a doodler, writer, aspiring singer/songwriter, and sort-of youtuber (check me out!) goofin' around on the interwebs Soli Deo Gloria(Sed servus eius crustulum vult) I'm a disabled, neurodivergent, dumpster fire, and somewhat of a clown, but I do my best :3 Crafter of Constellations, vocaloid enjoyer, waluigi’s #1 fan, space alien, undead cutie pie, danganer of ronpas, and certified silly goose Internet big sib to aspeninthetrees, TheGatoLover, (and hopefully more)
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*Ummmmm the encounter on friday right? Idk how I'll feel gimme until thurs. and escape?*
I'm Fry, a doodler, writer, aspiring singer/songwriter, and sort-of youtuber (check me out!) goofin' around on the interwebs
Soli Deo Gloria(Sed servus eius crustulum vult)
I'm a disabled, neurodivergent, dumpster fire, and somewhat of a clown, but I do my best :3
Crafter of Constellations, vocaloid enjoyer, waluigi’s #1 fan, space alien, undead cutie pie, danganer of ronpas, and certified silly goose
Internet big sib to aspeninthetrees, TheGatoLover, (and hopefully more)
*I’m talking about this plan that Monks is devising for Cody, Rade, Peter, and maybe Devin to try to escape*
My name’s Gradius, this is my second account :P I love Hollow Knight and I have been on ddb for a while. Come rp with me anytime! It is my purpose. My title that was given to me by Drummer is…SPIRIT OF THE WEST, GUARDIAN OF THE HOLLOWS.
No cost too great. No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering. Born of God and Void.
TRON LIVES
“Uh. Not for you. But I can open the elevator from the other floor.”
My name’s Gradius, this is my second account :P I love Hollow Knight and I have been on ddb for a while. Come rp with me anytime! It is my purpose. My title that was given to me by Drummer is…SPIRIT OF THE WEST, GUARDIAN OF THE HOLLOWS.
No cost too great. No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering. Born of God and Void.
TRON LIVES
* idk what would happen after that, seems kinda final. But go ahead, run it. if you have a plan*
I'm Fry, a doodler, writer, aspiring singer/songwriter, and sort-of youtuber (check me out!) goofin' around on the interwebs
Soli Deo Gloria(Sed servus eius crustulum vult)
I'm a disabled, neurodivergent, dumpster fire, and somewhat of a clown, but I do my best :3
Crafter of Constellations, vocaloid enjoyer, waluigi’s #1 fan, space alien, undead cutie pie, danganer of ronpas, and certified silly goose
Internet big sib to aspeninthetrees, TheGatoLover, (and hopefully more)
Sounds good, we’ll wait for you there. Any idea what kind of security they got on the other floors?”
I’m a decent DM and an above average rules lawyer
I have several complete Pokedexes | I may be stupid, but at least I’m not smart!
My favorite characters from dead threads; AMA: Aria, Rade, Kiano & Luz, Juniper, Ezra & Dr. Paine, Xi & his siblings, Misa Stay Paranoid!!!
My Drummer given title is Swift as the Dragon, but The Diabolical One named me Virex the Whisperbrand, Architect of Echoes
May the dice roll ever in your favor
*but the other floors would have higher security*
I'm Fry, a doodler, writer, aspiring singer/songwriter, and sort-of youtuber (check me out!) goofin' around on the interwebs
Soli Deo Gloria(Sed servus eius crustulum vult)
I'm a disabled, neurodivergent, dumpster fire, and somewhat of a clown, but I do my best :3
Crafter of Constellations, vocaloid enjoyer, waluigi’s #1 fan, space alien, undead cutie pie, danganer of ronpas, and certified silly goose
Internet big sib to aspeninthetrees, TheGatoLover, (and hopefully more)
*Yep. That would be part of it. You’d have to let me know the floor layout in a pm.*
My name’s Gradius, this is my second account :P I love Hollow Knight and I have been on ddb for a while. Come rp with me anytime! It is my purpose. My title that was given to me by Drummer is…SPIRIT OF THE WEST, GUARDIAN OF THE HOLLOWS.
No cost too great. No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering. Born of God and Void.
TRON LIVES
“No idea. The floor I got into was just an office kinda.”
My name’s Gradius, this is my second account :P I love Hollow Knight and I have been on ddb for a while. Come rp with me anytime! It is my purpose. My title that was given to me by Drummer is…SPIRIT OF THE WEST, GUARDIAN OF THE HOLLOWS.
No cost too great. No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering. Born of God and Void.
TRON LIVES
*Question, do you guys actually want this mission to succeed? It would mean losing your characters.*
My name’s Gradius, this is my second account :P I love Hollow Knight and I have been on ddb for a while. Come rp with me anytime! It is my purpose. My title that was given to me by Drummer is…SPIRIT OF THE WEST, GUARDIAN OF THE HOLLOWS.
No cost too great. No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering. Born of God and Void.
TRON LIVES
*it would be nice if it would somehow further the story. Maybe a brief time in the run, then they could run into some of DAO’s enemies and get involved again or something*
I go by “Awe” JSYK. Drummer also named me EPIC CRIT ROLLER OF LEGEND!
“A wizard is never late, Frodo Baggins. Nor is he early. He arrives precisely when he means to!”
”I’m sorry Frodo. I was delayed."
If you're in the mood for murder and mayhem, go to ASSASSINATE The One Above, but WHATEVER you do, don’t go to LAST COMMENT LOSES
*WE COUOD MAKE A LITTLE PM PBP OF THEM BEING ON THE RUN*
*I think that would actually be so fun cause they could be away for a while and actually have an adventure and stories to tell.*
My name’s Gradius, this is my second account :P I love Hollow Knight and I have been on ddb for a while. Come rp with me anytime! It is my purpose. My title that was given to me by Drummer is…SPIRIT OF THE WEST, GUARDIAN OF THE HOLLOWS.
No cost too great. No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering. Born of God and Void.
TRON LIVES
*noice. Can one of my chars run away too?*
I'm Fry, a doodler, writer, aspiring singer/songwriter, and sort-of youtuber (check me out!) goofin' around on the interwebs
Soli Deo Gloria(Sed servus eius crustulum vult)
I'm a disabled, neurodivergent, dumpster fire, and somewhat of a clown, but I do my best :3
Crafter of Constellations, vocaloid enjoyer, waluigi’s #1 fan, space alien, undead cutie pie, danganer of ronpas, and certified silly goose
Internet big sib to aspeninthetrees, TheGatoLover, (and hopefully more)
*Yeah for sure. I’m actually hooked on the pbp idea*
My name’s Gradius, this is my second account :P I love Hollow Knight and I have been on ddb for a while. Come rp with me anytime! It is my purpose. My title that was given to me by Drummer is…SPIRIT OF THE WEST, GUARDIAN OF THE HOLLOWS.
No cost too great. No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering. Born of God and Void.
TRON LIVES
*YEAH!!! Out in the world with their anomalies*
I go by “Awe” JSYK. Drummer also named me EPIC CRIT ROLLER OF LEGEND!
“A wizard is never late, Frodo Baggins. Nor is he early. He arrives precisely when he means to!”
”I’m sorry Frodo. I was delayed."
If you're in the mood for murder and mayhem, go to ASSASSINATE The One Above, but WHATEVER you do, don’t go to LAST COMMENT LOSES
*idk wich tho. maybe just jas*
I'm Fry, a doodler, writer, aspiring singer/songwriter, and sort-of youtuber (check me out!) goofin' around on the interwebs
Soli Deo Gloria(Sed servus eius crustulum vult)
I'm a disabled, neurodivergent, dumpster fire, and somewhat of a clown, but I do my best :3
Crafter of Constellations, vocaloid enjoyer, waluigi’s #1 fan, space alien, undead cutie pie, danganer of ronpas, and certified silly goose
Internet big sib to aspeninthetrees, TheGatoLover, (and hopefully more)
*Thats gonna be so fun. I’ll have to figure out a reason for them to come back though.*
My name’s Gradius, this is my second account :P I love Hollow Knight and I have been on ddb for a while. Come rp with me anytime! It is my purpose. My title that was given to me by Drummer is…SPIRIT OF THE WEST, GUARDIAN OF THE HOLLOWS.
No cost too great. No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering. Born of God and Void.
TRON LIVES
*As I said, they could run into some of DAO’s enemies. Than into DAO itself. I think that’d be interesting*
I go by “Awe” JSYK. Drummer also named me EPIC CRIT ROLLER OF LEGEND!
“A wizard is never late, Frodo Baggins. Nor is he early. He arrives precisely when he means to!”
”I’m sorry Frodo. I was delayed."
If you're in the mood for murder and mayhem, go to ASSASSINATE The One Above, but WHATEVER you do, don’t go to LAST COMMENT LOSES
*NOTUS*
I'm Fry, a doodler, writer, aspiring singer/songwriter, and sort-of youtuber (check me out!) goofin' around on the interwebs
Soli Deo Gloria(Sed servus eius crustulum vult)
I'm a disabled, neurodivergent, dumpster fire, and somewhat of a clown, but I do my best :3
Crafter of Constellations, vocaloid enjoyer, waluigi’s #1 fan, space alien, undead cutie pie, danganer of ronpas, and certified silly goose
Internet big sib to aspeninthetrees, TheGatoLover, (and hopefully more)
*NOTUS*
*Maybe they have to retreat to DAO and they realize it’s the safest place to be for them*
My name’s Gradius, this is my second account :P I love Hollow Knight and I have been on ddb for a while. Come rp with me anytime! It is my purpose. My title that was given to me by Drummer is…SPIRIT OF THE WEST, GUARDIAN OF THE HOLLOWS.
No cost too great. No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering. Born of God and Void.
TRON LIVES
*b/c notus hunts them down*
I'm Fry, a doodler, writer, aspiring singer/songwriter, and sort-of youtuber (check me out!) goofin' around on the interwebs
Soli Deo Gloria(Sed servus eius crustulum vult)
I'm a disabled, neurodivergent, dumpster fire, and somewhat of a clown, but I do my best :3
Crafter of Constellations, vocaloid enjoyer, waluigi’s #1 fan, space alien, undead cutie pie, danganer of ronpas, and certified silly goose
Internet big sib to aspeninthetrees, TheGatoLover, (and hopefully more)