Am I alone in thinking the X-men could take down Superman?
I mean, some of the X Men have win cons, but if they get blitzed to death they stand no chance. Juggernaut could, Rogue could, Gambit might be able to, stuff like that.
Am I alone in thinking the X-men could take down Superman?
I mean, some of the X Men have win cons, but if they get blitzed to death they stand no chance. Juggernaut could, Rogue could, Gambit might be able to, stuff like that.
Fair. I was imagining that as the full team they definitely could. I feel like Professor X could if he had some backup.
Am I alone in thinking the X-men could take down Superman?
I mean, some of the X Men have win cons, but if they get blitzed to death they stand no chance. Juggernaut could, Rogue could, Gambit might be able to, stuff like that.
Fair. I was imagining that as the full team they definitely could. I feel like Professor X could if he had some backup.
Also what about Wolverine? He could just heal back if he got lasered or something.
Am I alone in thinking the X-men could take down Superman?
I mean, some of the X Men have win cons, but if they get blitzed to death they stand no chance. Juggernaut could, Rogue could, Gambit might be able to, stuff like that.
Fair. I was imagining that as the full team they definitely could. I feel like Professor X could if he had some backup.
Superman would murder prof before he would do anything valuable. Wanda could, Comic Quicksilver might be able to do something, Cyclops is a solid maybe.
Am I alone in thinking the X-men could take down Superman?
I mean, some of the X Men have win cons, but if they get blitzed to death they stand no chance. Juggernaut could, Rogue could, Gambit might be able to, stuff like that.
Fair. I was imagining that as the full team they definitely could. I feel like Professor X could if he had some backup.
Also what about Wolverine? He could just heal back if he got lasered or something.
Wolverine would just repeatedly die, let’s be honest here.
Am I alone in thinking the X-men could take down Superman?
I mean, some of the X Men have win cons, but if they get blitzed to death they stand no chance. Juggernaut could, Rogue could, Gambit might be able to, stuff like that.
Fair. I was imagining that as the full team they definitely could. I feel like Professor X could if he had some backup.
Superman would murder prof before he would do anything valuable. Wanda could, Comic Quicksilver might be able to do something, Cyclops is a solid maybe.
Yeah, fair... I feel like Magneto would end up losing, since Superman could just DESTROY anything metal Magneto tries to use against him.
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Am I alone in thinking the X-men could take down Superman?
I mean, some of the X Men have win cons, but if they get blitzed to death they stand no chance. Juggernaut could, Rogue could, Gambit might be able to, stuff like that.
Fair. I was imagining that as the full team they definitely could. I feel like Professor X could if he had some backup.
Superman would murder prof before he would do anything valuable. Wanda could, Comic Quicksilver might be able to do something, Cyclops is a solid maybe.
Yeah, fair... I feel like Magneto would end up losing, since Superman could just DESTROY anything metal Magneto tries to use against him.
Superman has metal in his blood, and considering Magneto is Omega level, I think Comic Magneto puts up an intense fight at least.
Well Ejo, it really depends on the Superman we are talking about, cause ima be real, Cosmic Armor Superman washes most verses with ease.
Looked it up, hate it.
With a burning disdain.
I don’t like Cosmic Armor Superman either.
I don't think characters should be powerful just to be powerful. For a bad guy, it makes sense that they're OP. Good guys should have to earn it on-screen for it to be that crazy.
Anyway, it's like they tried to create "da most powafull characta evar!!1!!1!" without even caring about the literal plot, which is one of the things that gets physically destroyed in his big fight.
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Am I alone in thinking the X-men could take down Superman?
I mean, some of the X Men have win cons, but if they get blitzed to death they stand no chance. Juggernaut could, Rogue could, Gambit might be able to, stuff like that.
Fair. I was imagining that as the full team they definitely could. I feel like Professor X could if he had some backup.
Superman would murder prof before he would do anything valuable. Wanda could, Comic Quicksilver might be able to do something, Cyclops is a solid maybe.
Yeah, fair... I feel like Magneto would end up losing, since Superman could just DESTROY anything metal Magneto tries to use against him.
Superman has metal in his blood, and considering Magneto is Omega level, I think Comic Magneto puts up an intense fight at least.
Dang I didn't know he had metal in his blood. That would make a good fight scene.
Well Ejo, it really depends on the Superman we are talking about, cause ima be real, Cosmic Armor Superman washes most verses with ease.
Looked it up, hate it.
With a burning disdain.
I don’t like Cosmic Armor Superman either.
I don't think characters should be powerful just to be powerful. For a bad guy, it makes sense that they're OP. Good guys should have to earn it on-screen for it to be that crazy.
Anyway, it's like they tried to create "da most powafull characta evar!!1!!1!" without even caring about the literal plot, which is one of the things that gets physically destroyed in his big fight.
Yeah, I love when characters have to overcome their limitations but not destroy them entirely, or if they are more powerful than anything they encounter, they have to have some other kind of limitation, Like Saitama or Mob, who have mental limits instead of physical ones.
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So, I get a weekly news magazine for younger people called, rather unimaginatively, The Week Junior. And every issue there's what they call a 'Big Debate'. It's essentially a topic that's generally along the lines of 'Is ____ better than ___?' or 'Should _____ be allowed?'. They range from 'Should politicians be paid as much as they are' to 'Are sandwiches the best lunch'.
This week's "Big Debate" is: 'Is Superman the best superhero?' Because of the new superman movie plus world superhero day being next monday. And I am gonna do a big fat analysis of every hero I know that could beat Superman's spandex-wearing ass, because I want to.
First up, we're limited to heroes here because that's the debate. so we won't be considering villains in this mix.
Now, the list, beginning with DC because that's Clark Kent's universe, then Marvel, and I don't really know any superhero universes outside of them so we'll stick to that.
DC: Green Lantern. This is a comic occurrence. Hal uses the lantern ring to create green Kryptonite. The Spectre. I barely even know who this guy is, but from what I do know, he's effectively a god. Doctor Fate could probably take down supes if he was working at the top of his game. Also, not sure if he's technically a hero. The Presence. Actual, genuine, created-the-world type god. Wally West and Barry Allen probably have a decent chance. Speedforce is OP. Dunno much about Zoom, but it's probably the same thing. Lots of people think Wonder woman, but I'm not sure. She'll get a place here anyway Supergirl, since she's also a kryptonian. Shazam maybe?
MARVEL: Odin, since, once again, he's a god. Thor, for the same reasoning. Captain Marvel is ridiculously powerful. Beyonder, because pretty much nobody can actually have a remotely fair fight with him. Hulk stands a chance, especially if we're talking World Breaker Hulk but then again I don't think World Breaker can class as a hero. Scarlet Witch is very powerful. I'm still not sure is she classes as a hero. I think Dr. Strange stands a chance too. I have no clue who Sentry is, but I know he's pretty darned powerful. Silver Surfer fights Galactus in what's pretty much a 1v1 and comes close to winning (Or maybe actually wins, i'm not very familiar with him), so he'd have a decent chance.
Pretty sure the lot of those are all heroes who could fight and beat Superman in a 1v1 fight. So, IMO, no, Supes is not the best superhero. Lemme know If I missed anything obvious, 'cos I probably did.
Oh, and randomly, All Might and Deku from MHA. Either one would stand a chance as long as Deku doesn't break his own arms.
Wondering if anybody has any thoughts to share on this? IDK If i'm the only nerd of this level here.
I have thoughts.
You failed to even mention Batman. That is criminal.
You are analyzing this based on who could beat Superman in a fight. But is a superhero just a cosmic gladiator? Might doesn't always make right. I think a superhero is a guardian of mankind who fights (because combat is a major part of it) to protect the world.
So maybe the measure would be who protects/fights for others the best. This does make it a lot harder to determine but I still think it should be considered.
Now Superman protects the entire world, but other heroes like Green Lantern and Captain Marvel have entire galaxies under under their jurisdiction. And then there are characters like Deadman who helps the dead pass on and who protects against supernatural, reality altering threats.
But I don't think even that is a good way to judge who the best superhero is. The cosmic, reality altering heroes are often the most bland and least interesting. There are exceptions to that, but it is generally true.
So what do you judge it on? Perhaps who has sold the most comics? That would be superman again with I think 600 million of his books sold worldwide. But I don't think we should judge best superhero on commercial value. Besides, comics aren't even the main form of superhero media anymore now that there are movies and tv shows. Spiderman would definitely give him a run for his money if we count in other forms of media.
I think design, originality, and story should be taken into account here too. Now, the basic Superman concept is so incredibly bland but there have been some very talented authors who have used him well. However, there are probably more, higher-quality stories for characters like Batman and Spider-Man and I'd there are characters like Daredevil, Batman, and Moon Knight who have some of the most cohesive and incredible character designs.
And a major problem with all this is that it only looks at DC and Marvel (you did actually look at an anime so kudos but there is more indie stuff that should be evaluated). If Hellboy counts than I'd say he wins handsdown. If it got to a clobbering match between Superman and Hellboy, I think Hellboy could pull through due to his supernatural nature (one of Superman's weaknesses) and his sheer immortality. He also destroys Hell and saves mankind from world ending destruction time and time again (Let's not mention he ended the world.) so he checks off that box. He is one of the most popular indie comics and his design and story is top notch. However there is one really big problem, is Hellboy really a superhero? I mean, what even is a superhero story? (And don't even get me started on Lobster Johnson)
Hoo boy. That's an entire can of worms I will not be opening. I will say that in my opinion, Hellboy is a superhero set in a gothic/supernatural horror setting. But because it is a little foggy, let's just say he wins and look at who comes in second place. Heeheehee
There is one more category that I haven't looked at yet but before I say it, I'd like mention that the best way to judge would probably be to take all these categories and award points to each hero based on how well they perform in power/sphere of influence/popularity/design/story/etc.
However I would rather judge them solely on this one category: Who has the most dangerous, most interesting, villains.
You can't have a hero without a villain. The rogues gallery makes or breaks a hero. Their villains need to be proper foils, they need to be threatening, and they just need to be engaging in their own right. To me, this makes the answer obvious.
Batman.
Who has more interesting villains than Batman? Whose villains parallel their hero better than Batman's? Whose villains are more of a menace than Batman's? Who is better built to fight their own villains than Batman?
Am I alone in thinking the X-men could take down Superman?
I mean, some of the X Men have win cons, but if they get blitzed to death they stand no chance. Juggernaut could, Rogue could, Gambit might be able to, stuff like that.
Fair. I was imagining that as the full team they definitely could. I feel like Professor X could if he had some backup.
Superman would murder prof before he would do anything valuable. Wanda could, Comic Quicksilver might be able to do something, Cyclops is a solid maybe.
Yeah, fair... I feel like Magneto would end up losing, since Superman could just DESTROY anything metal Magneto tries to use against him.
Superman has metal in his blood, and considering Magneto is Omega level, I think Comic Magneto puts up an intense fight at least.
Dang I didn't know he had metal in his blood. That would make a good fight scene.
Also, if Magneto is fighting with Wolverine, he can take the metal out of his bones and use that.
I’m now remembering, out of nowhere, how one time me and Yvonne decided to make a pair of wills for the Universe Smorgasbord and it quickly turned from the concept of, ‘forbidden love,’ to Romeo and Juliet style blood feud in which one family was turned into cybernetic mechanically enhanced monstrosities to extend their life and the other was corrupted into undead, semi incorporeal undead with rotting, fungi infected corpses.
we both made giant family trees with like 25 members each.
I’m now remembering, out of nowhere, how one time me and Yvonne decided to make a pair of wills for the Universe Smorgasbord and it quickly turned from the concept of, ‘forbidden love,’ to Romeo and Juliet style blood feud in which one family was turned into cybernetic mechanically enhanced monstrosities to extend their life and the other was corrupted into undead, semi incorporeal undead with rotting, fungi infected corpses.
we both made giant family trees with like 25 members each.
wtf
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I’m now remembering, out of nowhere, how one time me and Yvonne decided to make a pair of wills for the Universe Smorgasbord and it quickly turned from the concept of, ‘forbidden love,’ to Romeo and Juliet style blood feud in which one family was turned into cybernetic mechanically enhanced monstrosities to extend their life and the other was corrupted into undead, semi incorporeal undead with rotting, fungi infected corpses.
we both made giant family trees with like 25 members each.
wtf
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I mean, some of the X Men have win cons, but if they get blitzed to death they stand no chance. Juggernaut could, Rogue could, Gambit might be able to, stuff like that.
Fair. I was imagining that as the full team they definitely could. I feel like Professor X could if he had some backup.
I'm just a gay lil' Hedgehog
Looked it up, hate it.
With a burning disdain.
Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.
May each word that I speak be backed by each of my teeth.
Also what about Wolverine? He could just heal back if he got lasered or something.
I'm just a gay lil' Hedgehog
Superman would murder prof before he would do anything valuable. Wanda could, Comic Quicksilver might be able to do something, Cyclops is a solid maybe.
Wolverine would just repeatedly die, let’s be honest here.
I don’t like Cosmic Armor Superman either.
Yeah, fair... I feel like Magneto would end up losing, since Superman could just DESTROY anything metal Magneto tries to use against him.
I'm just a gay lil' Hedgehog
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Superman has metal in his blood, and considering Magneto is Omega level, I think Comic Magneto puts up an intense fight at least.
I don't think characters should be powerful just to be powerful. For a bad guy, it makes sense that they're OP. Good guys should have to earn it on-screen for it to be that crazy.
Anyway, it's like they tried to create "da most powafull characta evar!!1!!1!" without even caring about the literal plot, which is one of the things that gets physically destroyed in his big fight.
Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.
May each word that I speak be backed by each of my teeth.
Dang I didn't know he had metal in his blood. That would make a good fight scene.
I'm just a gay lil' Hedgehog
Yeah, I love when characters have to overcome their limitations but not destroy them entirely, or if they are more powerful than anything they encounter, they have to have some other kind of limitation, Like Saitama or Mob, who have mental limits instead of physical ones.
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Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.
May each word that I speak be backed by each of my teeth.
I have thoughts.
You failed to even mention Batman. That is criminal.
You are analyzing this based on who could beat Superman in a fight. But is a superhero just a cosmic gladiator? Might doesn't always make right. I think a superhero is a guardian of mankind who fights (because combat is a major part of it) to protect the world.
So maybe the measure would be who protects/fights for others the best. This does make it a lot harder to determine but I still think it should be considered.
Now Superman protects the entire world, but other heroes like Green Lantern and Captain Marvel have entire galaxies under under their jurisdiction. And then there are characters like Deadman who helps the dead pass on and who protects against supernatural, reality altering threats.
But I don't think even that is a good way to judge who the best superhero is. The cosmic, reality altering heroes are often the most bland and least interesting. There are exceptions to that, but it is generally true.
So what do you judge it on? Perhaps who has sold the most comics? That would be superman again with I think 600 million of his books sold worldwide. But I don't think we should judge best superhero on commercial value. Besides, comics aren't even the main form of superhero media anymore now that there are movies and tv shows. Spiderman would definitely give him a run for his money if we count in other forms of media.
I think design, originality, and story should be taken into account here too. Now, the basic Superman concept is so incredibly bland but there have been some very talented authors who have used him well. However, there are probably more, higher-quality stories for characters like Batman and Spider-Man and I'd there are characters like Daredevil, Batman, and Moon Knight who have some of the most cohesive and incredible character designs.
And a major problem with all this is that it only looks at DC and Marvel (you did actually look at an anime so kudos but there is more indie stuff that should be evaluated). If Hellboy counts than I'd say he wins handsdown. If it got to a clobbering match between Superman and Hellboy, I think Hellboy could pull through due to his supernatural nature (one of Superman's weaknesses) and his sheer immortality. He also destroys Hell and saves mankind from world ending destruction time and time again (Let's not mention he ended the world.) so he checks off that box. He is one of the most popular indie comics and his design and story is top notch. However there is one really big problem, is Hellboy really a superhero? I mean, what even is a superhero story? (And don't even get me started on Lobster Johnson)
Hoo boy. That's an entire can of worms I will not be opening. I will say that in my opinion, Hellboy is a superhero set in a gothic/supernatural horror setting. But because it is a little foggy, let's just say he wins and look at who comes in second place. Heeheehee
There is one more category that I haven't looked at yet but before I say it, I'd like mention that the best way to judge would probably be to take all these categories and award points to each hero based on how well they perform in power/sphere of influence/popularity/design/story/etc.
However I would rather judge them solely on this one category: Who has the most dangerous, most interesting, villains.
You can't have a hero without a villain. The rogues gallery makes or breaks a hero. Their villains need to be proper foils, they need to be threatening, and they just need to be engaging in their own right. To me, this makes the answer obvious.
Batman.
Who has more interesting villains than Batman? Whose villains parallel their hero better than Batman's? Whose villains are more of a menace than Batman's? Who is better built to fight their own villains than Batman?
Also, if Magneto is fighting with Wolverine, he can take the metal out of his bones and use that.
I go to my local comic stores almost weekly. This is a world I wander a little too much maybe.
I’m now remembering, out of nowhere, how one time me and Yvonne decided to make a pair of wills for the Universe Smorgasbord and it quickly turned from the concept of, ‘forbidden love,’ to Romeo and Juliet style blood feud in which one family was turned into cybernetic mechanically enhanced monstrosities to extend their life and the other was corrupted into undead, semi incorporeal undead with rotting, fungi infected corpses.
we both made giant family trees with like 25 members each.
wtf
Hiya, there! I'm Gonzalo2, but you can just call me Gonz! (Don't ask about what happened to Gonzalo1.) I'm just an ADHD theater nerd who has too much time on my hands and too little sleep! I'm usually at Camp Half-Blood, which I moderate, and have seventeen characters on. Like I said, too much time on my hands, too little sleep.
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It was very fun.