The Fey Wanderer Ranger has an ability called Otherworldly Glamour that states:
Whenever you make a Charisma check, you gain a bonus to the check equal to your Wisdom modifier (minimum of +1).
This offers a fun boost of power to your Charisma skill checks without needing to invest with a build where even Wisdom may be a secondary or tertiary stat for you. Whats strange is when you consider multiclassing with a Charisma heavy class like Bard, Sorcerer, or Warlock and you pick up spells like Dispel Magic or Counterspell. When you try to dispel an effect that has a higher level than the spell slot expended, each spell states:
If it is casting a spell of 4th level or higher, make an ability check using your spellcasting ability. The DC equals 10 + the spell’s level. On a success, the creature’s spell fails and has no effect.
Does this mean that a Charisma caster multiclassed with 3 levels in Fey Wanderer ranger can add their Wisdom modifier to this check? I would think so, RAW
I think the most extreme case of how this might look is if we consider a Bard (17) / Ranger (3). It is already established that a bard can add half their proficiency bonus to the above listed check due to their Jack of All Trades feature. So, if we consider a character with a maxed out Charisma and a maxed out Wisdom, you total ability check at level 20 for dispelling 4th - 9th level effects using a 3rd level spell slot is 1d20 + 3 + 5 + 5. This means you will always succeed on dispelling a 4th level magical effect with a 3rd level spell slot and have a very strong chance at dispelling the higher level effects as well.
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Just as a fun way to maximize that number, the Pact of the Talisman Warlock boon gives you a few free extra d4 to roll that you can also add to a Counterspell.
Multiclassing that with Artificer for their Flash of Genius, so a weird multiclass of:
Warlock(3) / Ranger (3) / Artificer (7) / Bard (7) up to Lvl 20 can get you 1d20 + 1d4 + 5 + 5 + 3 + Int, whatever your Int modifier might be in this Frankenstein build. Even at just a +1 to Int, you're already looking at a minimum roll of 15 on any Counterspell, with that d4 potentially bringing you to 18 on your check. And that's if you roll a Nat1! You'll be Counterspelling everything with that!
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I know what you're thinking: "In that flurry of blows, did he use all his ki points, or save one?" Well, are ya feeling lucky, punk?
Just as a fun way to maximize that number, the Pact of the Talisman Warlock boon gives you a few free extra d4 to roll that you can also add to a Counterspell.
Multiclassing that with Artificer for their Flash of Genius, so a weird multiclass of:
Warlock(3) / Ranger (3) / Artificer (7) / Bard (7) up to Lvl 20 can get you 1d20 + 1d4 + 5 + 5 + 3 + Int, whatever your Int modifier might be in this Frankenstein build. Even at just a +1 to Int, you're already looking at a minimum roll of 15 on any Counterspell, with that d4 potentially bringing you to 18 on your check. And that's if you roll a Nat1! You'll be Counterspelling everything with that!
Those are fun ideas. I have another thread running on the Tips and Tactics page trying to do a bit of theoretical maximizing of the concept. Sadly, Flash of Genius will not work with Counterspell, since both require your reaction. It could help with Dispel Magic, though.
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No. I just think it helps to have multiple people agreeing on the same answer, but also didn't see the need to rewrite what has already been said. And have you seen my post count? It is fine as is.
For a total of +1d4+5 (assuming max charisma)+6 (prof bonus at level 19). That only requires rolling a 5~6 to reliably counter level 9 spells.
Leaves 2 levels to play around with, can we squeeze a few more bonuses out without using a reaction or proficiency bonus?
Based on what has been discussed in my other thread on the Tips and Tactics page, I think the go-to would be
Sorcerer (15) + Bard (2) + Fey Wanderer (3). In comparison to your Abjurer+Warlock+Fey Wanderer, this at least keeps the two main full caster components as both being Charisma caster. While the Jack of All Trades bonus from bards is less than the full proficiency bonus from Abjurer, you can get it alot earlier on since it only requires a 2 level dip rather than a 10 level investment into an Int caster when you are already planning to cast counterspell using Charisma as your stat.
Sorcerers (through TCoE) get the ability to reroll ability checks at 5th level for 1 sorc point. After that, you can really play around with how many levels you want in Sorc vs Bard, since they are both full Charisma casters. More Sorc gets you more sorc points for rerolls, though. So, this ultimatley allows you to have the same bonus to your Cha ability check as I outlined for Bard (17) / Fey Wanderer (3) in the original post, but also give you up to 15 sorc points you can use for rerolls in the case the odds still are not in your favor.
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The Fey Wanderer Ranger has an ability called Otherworldly Glamour that states:
This offers a fun boost of power to your Charisma skill checks without needing to invest with a build where even Wisdom may be a secondary or tertiary stat for you. Whats strange is when you consider multiclassing with a Charisma heavy class like Bard, Sorcerer, or Warlock and you pick up spells like Dispel Magic or Counterspell. When you try to dispel an effect that has a higher level than the spell slot expended, each spell states:
Does this mean that a Charisma caster multiclassed with 3 levels in Fey Wanderer ranger can add their Wisdom modifier to this check? I would think so, RAW
I think the most extreme case of how this might look is if we consider a Bard (17) / Ranger (3). It is already established that a bard can add half their proficiency bonus to the above listed check due to their Jack of All Trades feature. So, if we consider a character with a maxed out Charisma and a maxed out Wisdom, you total ability check at level 20 for dispelling 4th - 9th level effects using a 3rd level spell slot is 1d20 + 3 + 5 + 5. This means you will always succeed on dispelling a 4th level magical effect with a 3rd level spell slot and have a very strong chance at dispelling the higher level effects as well.
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Yes, the bonus would apply to the check you make for counterspell, if that check is a charisma check.
What they said.
Are you trying to get your post count up?
Of course he is... =D
But also the "like this" button does some strange things so making a reply in a thread is a good way to keep track of things you are interested in.
Just as a fun way to maximize that number, the Pact of the Talisman Warlock boon gives you a few free extra d4 to roll that you can also add to a Counterspell.
Multiclassing that with Artificer for their Flash of Genius, so a weird multiclass of:
Warlock(3) / Ranger (3) / Artificer (7) / Bard (7) up to Lvl 20 can get you 1d20 + 1d4 + 5 + 5 + 3 + Int, whatever your Int modifier might be in this Frankenstein build. Even at just a +1 to Int, you're already looking at a minimum roll of 15 on any Counterspell, with that d4 potentially bringing you to 18 on your check. And that's if you roll a Nat1! You'll be Counterspelling everything with that!
I know what you're thinking: "In that flurry of blows, did he use all his ki points, or save one?" Well, are ya feeling lucky, punk?
Those are fun ideas. I have another thread running on the Tips and Tactics page trying to do a bit of theoretical maximizing of the concept. Sadly, Flash of Genius will not work with Counterspell, since both require your reaction. It could help with Dispel Magic, though.
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Ten levels of abjuration wizard will let you add your proficiency bonus to your counterspell ability check, which would be +4 at the very least.
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No. I just think it helps to have multiple people agreeing on the same answer, but also didn't see the need to rewrite what has already been said. And have you seen my post count? It is fine as is.
So abjurer 10/fey wanderer 3/warlock (any) 5
For a total of +1d4+5 (assuming max charisma)+6 (prof bonus at level 19). That only requires rolling a 5~6 to reliably counter level 9 spells.
Leaves 2 levels to play around with, can we squeeze a few more bonuses out without using a reaction or proficiency bonus?
Based on what has been discussed in my other thread on the Tips and Tactics page, I think the go-to would be
Sorcerer (15) + Bard (2) + Fey Wanderer (3). In comparison to your Abjurer+Warlock+Fey Wanderer, this at least keeps the two main full caster components as both being Charisma caster. While the Jack of All Trades bonus from bards is less than the full proficiency bonus from Abjurer, you can get it alot earlier on since it only requires a 2 level dip rather than a 10 level investment into an Int caster when you are already planning to cast counterspell using Charisma as your stat.
Sorcerers (through TCoE) get the ability to reroll ability checks at 5th level for 1 sorc point. After that, you can really play around with how many levels you want in Sorc vs Bard, since they are both full Charisma casters. More Sorc gets you more sorc points for rerolls, though. So, this ultimatley allows you to have the same bonus to your Cha ability check as I outlined for Bard (17) / Fey Wanderer (3) in the original post, but also give you up to 15 sorc points you can use for rerolls in the case the odds still are not in your favor.
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