Under the rules presented in the OneDnD UA's, classes can only pick spells on the appropriate spell list. So far, none of the spells printed outside the PHB have been sorted into those lists so are completely unavailable. Do you think WotC will include those spells for the sake of "backwards compatibility" or will those spells be left out to be replaced/reprinted in future supplements?
Under the rules presented in the OneDnD UA's, classes can only pick spells on the appropriate spell list. So far, none of the spells printed outside the PHB have been sorted into those lists so are completely unavailable. Do you think WotC will include those spells for the sake of "backwards compatibility" or will those spells be left out to be replaced/reprinted in future supplements?
I would suspect, if they are not PHB spells they will be left for future supplements.
Under the rules presented in the OneDnD UA's, classes can only pick spells on the appropriate spell list. So far, none of the spells printed outside the PHB have been sorted into those lists so are completely unavailable. Do you think WotC will include those spells for the sake of "backwards compatibility" or will those spells be left out to be replaced/reprinted in future supplements?
I would suspect, if they are not PHB spells they will be left for future supplements.
This is also my belief. That means that current spells available via source books will not be available to characters created under the new rule set. I will also guess that there will be quite a few that will never be reprinted, which is too bad. I like having a large number of spells to select from.
WotC will probably release an expansion rule book similar to Xanathar’s Guide to Everything/Tasha’s Cauldron of Everything that is compatible with OneDnD. I expect it will include updated versions of a bunch of spells/race/class/subclasses not found in the PHB. So, not all is lost.
I think I assumed the lists were just for what was going to appear in the PHB. And that the reason classes were designed to pull from certain schools instead of spell lists in general was so everything would be compatible both forward and backwards. So if you want Booming Blade, you can have it if you have access to Arcane Evocation spells. That's how I would run it either way. But I guess we won't know for sure until later.
I think I assumed the lists were just for what was going to appear in the PHB. And that the reason classes were designed to pull from certain schools instead of spell lists in general was so everything would be compatible both forward and backwards. So if you want Booming Blade, you can have it if you have access to Arcane Evocation spells. That's how I would run it either way. But I guess we won't know for sure until later.
Prepared Spells. You have the following Spells prepared: Cure Wounds, Sacred Flame, Shield of Faith, Spare the Dying, and Thaumaturgy. Alternatively, you can prepare three 0-level Spells (also known as cantrips) and two 1st-level Spells of your choice. Any Spell you prepare for this Class must be a Divine Spell. Whenever you finish a Long Rest, you can pray or meditate and replace any Spell you have prepared for this Class with another Divine Spell of the same level.
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Prepared Spells. You have the following Spells prepared: Color Spray, Disguise Self, Prestidigitation, and Vicious Mockery. Alternatively, you can prepare two 0-level Spells and two 1st-level Spells of your choice. Any Spell you prepare for this Class must be an Arcane Spell, and it must be from one of the following Schools of Magic: Divination, Enchantment, Illusion, or Transmutation.
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Spell Preparation. You have the following Spells prepared: Cure Wounds, Guidance, Hunter’s Mark, and Thorn Whip. Alternatively, you can prepare two 0-level Spells and two 1stlevel Spells of your choice. Any Spell you prepare for this Class must be a Primal Spell, and it can be from any School of Magic except Evocation
So as you can see, the class are actually limited to the lists as presented in the UA. At least for now. Even the Magic Initiate Feat is limited to the lists so you can't gain access that way either.
Edit: This mostly just an observation and only a mild complaint. This is how every edition change has gone so I am not surprised.
Honestly, for non-PHB stuff, if they really want to lean into the 'backwards compatibility' statement, it might be as simple as them putting big errata documents out for the various supplements. It's not like they're at 2nd edition number of splatbooks (which is what killed TSR).
Well yes, it says they must be a Divine Spell, etc. But it does not say they must be only the ones on those UA lists. A Druid has access to Primal spells, not a Primal list. All they have to do is tell us how the missing spells are classified. I'm sure every spell will have some indicator in D&D Beyond whether it's Arcane, Divine, or Primal, including the missing ones. Or they can put a short list on a website somewhere. It's probably not hard to guess which is which anyway.
I meant the lists in the UA material is only going to cover the spells in the PHB. They aren't going to reprint all of them in that book. And they don't like referencing spells for one book in another in case someone doesn't own them all. But classifying the other spells online will be easy. And they'd all fit on one page if they make a list somewhere.
I'm just really not concerned at all, personally. We could probably make the list now. But if they really mean backwards compatibility in even the loosest sense, classifying those spells is not a lot of work.
Personally, if a spell that isn't a PHB spell, is a spell a Druid can cast (and remember, JC did say spells can be on multiple spell lists so a spell can be Arcane and Primal) in 5E, I would allow a 1d&d Druid to cast it still. I would just base it on who can cast it in 5E until the spell in question gets released in a future 1d&d book. Once published, If the spell changes school or is not on the appropriate list, then they can no longer prepare it.
I think we'll get a conversion guide from 5e to 1D&D, similar to the 3.0-3.5 version. Like a free pdf that explains, how if you want to update your character to the new rule set, here's how to do that. It would be pretty easy to just throw in a list at the end of that the spells and where they belong. Or just some general rule/suggestion for reverse-engineering it based on what classes have access to the spell now.
I think WotC will treat it like the UA phrasing, if it's not here, play it as currently written - meaning if it's a spell outside the PHB, and it belonged to a class in the source material, treat it as still belonging to that class' spell list.
Thinking of Artificer, that's how it has to be, right? Artificers aren't being assigned a spell list in the PHB, so they would just continue to use their current spell list.
I think WotC will treat it like the UA phrasing, if it's not here, play it as currently written - meaning if it's a spell outside the PHB, and it belonged to a class in the source material, treat it as still belonging to that class' spell list.
Thinking of Artificer, that's how it has to be, right? Artificers aren't being assigned a spell list in the PHB, so they would just continue to use their current spell list.
That's a perfectly reasonable solution too. Already solved and easy as can be. The books they are in say who gets them. Nothing more needs to be done.
There needs to be spells and other content to fill other sourcebooks. So if it isn't in the PHB, then it will likely be in a book later or it just won't appear in 1DD at all.
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One D&D is meant to be backwards compatible. The UA currently goes under if it is not covered in the UA, just run it how it currently is. That can easily apply to spells that are currently found in other books. There was even a side bar in the first UA saying that you can use current 5E races as they are, just make sure to pick between background based stat boosts or current racial stat boosts. No reason why something similar can't be done with spells.
My guess is that OneD&D's release will be PHB only spells and then the next books and UA's after OneD&D will be a "2nd playtest" for other content to be ported to OneD&D. I'm guessing that the Tasha's summon spells will replace a lot of the PHB summoning spells. I could also see a few popular spells such as Booming/Green Flame Blade as well as Shadow Blade making it into the OneD&D PHB.
Honestly, for non-PHB stuff, if they really want to lean into the 'backwards compatibility' statement, it might be as simple as them putting big errata documents out for the various supplements. It's not like they're at 2nd edition number of splatbooks (which is what killed TSR).
They will never do this, because they don't want to be fully "backwards compatible" they want to get players & DMs to buy new versions of the same content just like how Monsters of the Multiverse was just an update of existing content.
Didn't Jeremy Crawford say in his last video on the survey that they may end up going with class lists but still have arcane, divine and primal lists for the Cleric, Druid and Wizard?
Didn't Jeremy Crawford say in his last video on the survey that they may end up going with class lists but still have arcane, divine and primal lists for the Cleric, Druid and Wizard?
Didn't Jeremy Crawford say in his last video on the survey that they may end up going with class lists but still have arcane, divine and primal lists for the Cleric, Druid and Wizard?
Yes he did.
And to elaborate, classes like the Cleric or Wizard will not have a class spell list because they will have access to the entire Divine or Arcane lists already. But the other spell casters may have their own list.
Under the rules presented in the OneDnD UA's, classes can only pick spells on the appropriate spell list. So far, none of the spells printed outside the PHB have been sorted into those lists so are completely unavailable. Do you think WotC will include those spells for the sake of "backwards compatibility" or will those spells be left out to be replaced/reprinted in future supplements?
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I would suspect, if they are not PHB spells they will be left for future supplements.
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This is also my belief. That means that current spells available via source books will not be available to characters created under the new rule set. I will also guess that there will be quite a few that will never be reprinted, which is too bad. I like having a large number of spells to select from.
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WotC will probably release an expansion rule book similar to Xanathar’s Guide to Everything/Tasha’s Cauldron of Everything that is compatible with OneDnD. I expect it will include updated versions of a bunch of spells/race/class/subclasses not found in the PHB. So, not all is lost.
I think I assumed the lists were just for what was going to appear in the PHB. And that the reason classes were designed to pull from certain schools instead of spell lists in general was so everything would be compatible both forward and backwards. So if you want Booming Blade, you can have it if you have access to Arcane Evocation spells. That's how I would run it either way. But I guess we won't know for sure until later.
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So as you can see, the class are actually limited to the lists as presented in the UA. At least for now. Even the Magic Initiate Feat is limited to the lists so you can't gain access that way either.
Edit: This mostly just an observation and only a mild complaint. This is how every edition change has gone so I am not surprised.
She/Her Player and Dungeon Master
Honestly, for non-PHB stuff, if they really want to lean into the 'backwards compatibility' statement, it might be as simple as them putting big errata documents out for the various supplements. It's not like they're at 2nd edition number of splatbooks (which is what killed TSR).
Well yes, it says they must be a Divine Spell, etc. But it does not say they must be only the ones on those UA lists. A Druid has access to Primal spells, not a Primal list. All they have to do is tell us how the missing spells are classified. I'm sure every spell will have some indicator in D&D Beyond whether it's Arcane, Divine, or Primal, including the missing ones. Or they can put a short list on a website somewhere. It's probably not hard to guess which is which anyway.
I meant the lists in the UA material is only going to cover the spells in the PHB. They aren't going to reprint all of them in that book. And they don't like referencing spells for one book in another in case someone doesn't own them all. But classifying the other spells online will be easy. And they'd all fit on one page if they make a list somewhere.
I'm just really not concerned at all, personally. We could probably make the list now. But if they really mean backwards compatibility in even the loosest sense, classifying those spells is not a lot of work.
Personally, if a spell that isn't a PHB spell, is a spell a Druid can cast (and remember, JC did say spells can be on multiple spell lists so a spell can be Arcane and Primal) in 5E, I would allow a 1d&d Druid to cast it still. I would just base it on who can cast it in 5E until the spell in question gets released in a future 1d&d book. Once published, If the spell changes school or is not on the appropriate list, then they can no longer prepare it.
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I think we'll get a conversion guide from 5e to 1D&D, similar to the 3.0-3.5 version. Like a free pdf that explains, how if you want to update your character to the new rule set, here's how to do that. It would be pretty easy to just throw in a list at the end of that the spells and where they belong. Or just some general rule/suggestion for reverse-engineering it based on what classes have access to the spell now.
I think WotC will treat it like the UA phrasing, if it's not here, play it as currently written - meaning if it's a spell outside the PHB, and it belonged to a class in the source material, treat it as still belonging to that class' spell list.
Thinking of Artificer, that's how it has to be, right? Artificers aren't being assigned a spell list in the PHB, so they would just continue to use their current spell list.
That's a perfectly reasonable solution too. Already solved and easy as can be. The books they are in say who gets them. Nothing more needs to be done.
There needs to be spells and other content to fill other sourcebooks. So if it isn't in the PHB, then it will likely be in a book later or it just won't appear in 1DD at all.
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HERE.One D&D is meant to be backwards compatible. The UA currently goes under if it is not covered in the UA, just run it how it currently is. That can easily apply to spells that are currently found in other books. There was even a side bar in the first UA saying that you can use current 5E races as they are, just make sure to pick between background based stat boosts or current racial stat boosts. No reason why something similar can't be done with spells.
My guess is that OneD&D's release will be PHB only spells and then the next books and UA's after OneD&D will be a "2nd playtest" for other content to be ported to OneD&D. I'm guessing that the Tasha's summon spells will replace a lot of the PHB summoning spells. I could also see a few popular spells such as Booming/Green Flame Blade as well as Shadow Blade making it into the OneD&D PHB.
In the spell section I hope they have a SPELL GUIDLINE section to address making non 1DD spells fit 1DD spells.
OF if there is a 1DD DM section a section on how to create new or modify existing spells to fit 1DD Spell structure if they have one.
They will never do this, because they don't want to be fully "backwards compatible" they want to get players & DMs to buy new versions of the same content just like how Monsters of the Multiverse was just an update of existing content.
Didn't Jeremy Crawford say in his last video on the survey that they may end up going with class lists but still have arcane, divine and primal lists for the Cleric, Druid and Wizard?
Yes he did.
And to elaborate, classes like the Cleric or Wizard will not have a class spell list because they will have access to the entire Divine or Arcane lists already. But the other spell casters may have their own list.
EZD6 by DM Scotty
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/en/product/397599/EZD6-Core-Rulebook?