Do you think that in new sourcebooks (like a new xanathars guide) they might have some new artificer subclasses as well? Or some UA for it? Maybe some UA infusions? Or do you think that they will not touch the artificer again? I guess they would need to add it to the SRD to make stuff for it in other books, or reprint it in these books. Do you think that this is likely, or will they be fully finished with the artificer after this. If they do, I feel that would be a shame. But I can see financial reasons as to why they would. What do you all think?
Odds are poor. You may get more artificer subclasses in more Eberron books down the road, but the 5e team is on record as saying that they want the three core books - PHB, DMG, and MM - to be the only ones you need and everything else is increasingly optional. That means any given new book has to be dependent solely on the information in the PHB, the DMG, or the MM - no crossing the streams and making content from one optional book dependent on content from another optional book. Not unless you're willing to reprint the optional content and waste space/ink, a'la Xanathar's reprinting half the character shit in the Sword Coast guide.
This is especially true with Adventurer's League being a thing, and their godawful dumb "PHB+1" rule making inter-book dependencies, such as Eberron Rising being required for an artificer subclass in a theoretical Xanathar's Guide to Everything Else, prohibited in Adventurer's League. Subclasses printed in Everything Else would be flat-out illegal in Adventurer's League because your +1 needs to be something other than Eberron Rising, and that means you don't have access to the base class your subclass is designed for.
We get Alchemists, Artillerists, and Battlesmiths. That's likely going to be it for the foreseeable future.
Heh. Frankly, we should all be pleasantly astonished they worked the Xanathar spells listing into the UA artificer - and we should not assume that same courtesy will be extended to us in the official document.
Every single "optional" book needs to be able to stand completely and utterly alone, with no other content required whatsoever beyond the base game combo of PHB/DMG/MM. It means no book is every off the table for a group of players and thus Wizards can sell any book to any person, regardless of whether they bought a previous book or not, so long as that person has invested in the base game. it also, however, means their design for any given book is severely constrained, as it must pretend that no other materials exist. This is also why they implemented their godawful dumb "PHB+1" rule for Adventurer's League - Wizards is not willing to commit to balancing content in multiple "optional" sourcebooks against each other, only against the stuff in the PHB, and Adventurer's League is wildly, obsessively over-concerned with balance.
Yeah. They did have xanathars subclasses in ravenica as recommendations but they did mention that they came from there, they may do the same in Eberron for the artificer spells. its a shame though, i would have loved to see more artificer.
I definitely dont think we will see it that often, but I dont think it is impossible. It will require them to reprint the base artificer class each time they do though (which is why I dont think it will be often).
The editor will work as well for artificer subclasses as it does anyone else's subclasses.
Which is to say, basically not at all, but you can force it to work with enough time, grind, shed blood, and a sufficient amount of squint and buy-in from your players.
So, sorry for the necro, but thought that I'd put this here for anyone who somehow hasn't seen it yet:
Wizards of the Coast will continue making Artificer subclasses after Rising from the Last War. This was confirmed in the Unearthed Arcana release this year with the Armorer subclass. If Xanathar's 2.0 comes out this year, I will assume that it will contain the Artificer class along with the Armorer and Archivist, and possibly one more subclass if we're lucky. (We're lucky if we even get the Archivist in it.)
Hope is not lost, they will continue making Artificer subclasses, to my great joy. (Now they just need some Dunamancy based artificers so I can play the Doctor.)
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Do you think that in new sourcebooks (like a new xanathars guide) they might have some new artificer subclasses as well? Or some UA for it? Maybe some UA infusions? Or do you think that they will not touch the artificer again? I guess they would need to add it to the SRD to make stuff for it in other books, or reprint it in these books. Do you think that this is likely, or will they be fully finished with the artificer after this. If they do, I feel that would be a shame. But I can see financial reasons as to why they would. What do you all think?
Odds are poor. You may get more artificer subclasses in more Eberron books down the road, but the 5e team is on record as saying that they want the three core books - PHB, DMG, and MM - to be the only ones you need and everything else is increasingly optional. That means any given new book has to be dependent solely on the information in the PHB, the DMG, or the MM - no crossing the streams and making content from one optional book dependent on content from another optional book. Not unless you're willing to reprint the optional content and waste space/ink, a'la Xanathar's reprinting half the character shit in the Sword Coast guide.
This is especially true with Adventurer's League being a thing, and their godawful dumb "PHB+1" rule making inter-book dependencies, such as Eberron Rising being required for an artificer subclass in a theoretical Xanathar's Guide to Everything Else, prohibited in Adventurer's League. Subclasses printed in Everything Else would be flat-out illegal in Adventurer's League because your +1 needs to be something other than Eberron Rising, and that means you don't have access to the base class your subclass is designed for.
We get Alchemists, Artillerists, and Battlesmiths. That's likely going to be it for the foreseeable future.
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Damn, that makes me somewhat sad.
Heh. Frankly, we should all be pleasantly astonished they worked the Xanathar spells listing into the UA artificer - and we should not assume that same courtesy will be extended to us in the official document.
Every single "optional" book needs to be able to stand completely and utterly alone, with no other content required whatsoever beyond the base game combo of PHB/DMG/MM. It means no book is every off the table for a group of players and thus Wizards can sell any book to any person, regardless of whether they bought a previous book or not, so long as that person has invested in the base game. it also, however, means their design for any given book is severely constrained, as it must pretend that no other materials exist. This is also why they implemented their godawful dumb "PHB+1" rule for Adventurer's League - Wizards is not willing to commit to balancing content in multiple "optional" sourcebooks against each other, only against the stuff in the PHB, and Adventurer's League is wildly, obsessively over-concerned with balance.
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Yeah. They did have xanathars subclasses in ravenica as recommendations but they did mention that they came from there, they may do the same in Eberron for the artificer spells. its a shame though, i would have loved to see more artificer.
I definitely dont think we will see it that often, but I dont think it is impossible. It will require them to reprint the base artificer class each time they do though (which is why I dont think it will be often).
If nothing else, I just hope after artificer becomes "official" that we can finally use the DDB Subclass creator to create artificer subclasses.
Yeah that would be nice
The editor will work as well for artificer subclasses as it does anyone else's subclasses.
Which is to say, basically not at all, but you can force it to work with enough time, grind, shed blood, and a sufficient amount of squint and buy-in from your players.
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I'm sure there will be. There are going to be more books printed, that's how game companies stay in business.
So, sorry for the necro, but thought that I'd put this here for anyone who somehow hasn't seen it yet:
Wizards of the Coast will continue making Artificer subclasses after Rising from the Last War. This was confirmed in the Unearthed Arcana release this year with the Armorer subclass. If Xanathar's 2.0 comes out this year, I will assume that it will contain the Artificer class along with the Armorer and Archivist, and possibly one more subclass if we're lucky. (We're lucky if we even get the Archivist in it.)
Hope is not lost, they will continue making Artificer subclasses, to my great joy. (Now they just need some Dunamancy based artificers so I can play the Doctor.)
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