If a spell targets a creature of your choice, you can choose yourself, unless the creature must be hostile or specifically a creature other than you. If you are in the area of effect of a spell you cast, you can target yourself."
This is from the spell casting section of the Basic Rules. Now Mantle of Inspiration is no spell but RAW I tend to unstand that the Bard could target himself as he is able to see himself. I am not sure though whether there is a special rule for feats. And RAI is another matter.
Has there been a consensus on this yet? Because the answer to this question greatly changes my interest in the subclass.
Not so much for the temporary hit points, but the free disengage and double movement on my turn would be incredible for a low AC bard to use on myself.
I am hoping the "targeting yourself" rules apply since it does not specify the Mantle of Inspiration cannot be used on yourself, the way Bardic Inspiration does.
Check with your DM before you roll the character up, however at the tables I've played at everyone has ruled it was including the Bard. In fact Mantle of Inspiration saved the party last night maybe 3 times. It was fantastic!
I play a Glamour Bard and use this ability all the time. I've never found a need to use it on myself though. I've never had anyone say it can't include myself, but there are always people in more immediate danger than I am, and I am also have the Fade Away feat, so I only mantle other party members.
I play a Glamour Bard and use this ability all the time. I've never found a need to use it on myself though. I've never had anyone say it can't include myself, but there are always people in more immediate danger than I am, and I am also have the Fade Away feat, so I only mantle other party members.
Well it is everyone so using it on yourself doesn't stop others moving
It's not for everyone though, not if your Charisma modifier doesn't meet your party size.
Mantle of Inspiration
When you join the College of Glamour at 3rd level, you gain the ability to weave a song of fey magic that imbues your allies with vigor and speed.
As a bonus action, you can expend one use of your Bardic Inspiration to grant yourself a wondrous appearance. When you do so, choose a number of creatures you can see and that can see you within 60 feet of you, up to a number equal to your Charisma modifier (minimum of one). Each of them gains 5 temporary hit points. When a creature gains these temporary hit points, it can immediately use its reaction to move up to its speed, without provoking opportunity attacks.
The number of temporary hit points increases when you reach certain levels in this class, increasing to 8 at 5th level, 11 at 10th level, and 14 at 15th level.
This came up in my game this past Friday, it was determined that it doesn't include the bard because it uses bardic Inspiration which specifically states that the card can not be the target.
This came up in my game this past Friday, it was determined that it doesn't include the bard because it uses bardic Inspiration which specifically states that the card can not be the target.
Yet there exist features that allow Bards to use their Bardic Inspiration dice on themselves. It doesn't seem fair to just presume that one can't do so here.
The key seems to be the phrase "creatures that you can see and that can see you." Compare that with the phrases used in the description of various spells:
Seeming - "change the appearance of any number of creatures that you can see within range"
True Polymorph - "Choose one creature with at least 1 hit point or nonmagical object that you can see within range"
Healing Word - "A creature of your choice that you can see within range"
Haste - "Choose a willing creature that you can see within range"
Heal - "Choose a creature that you can see within range"
Water Breathing - "This spell grants up to ten willing creatures you can see within range the ability to..."
Levitate - "One creature or loose object of your choice that you can see within range rises vertically"
It seems like most people have no trouble letting these spells affect the spellcaster, if they desire. If you'd allow that with these spells, I really don't see why you'd find "Mantle of Inspiration" to be any less-clearly worded.
The text specifies allies: "When you join the College of Glamour at 3rd level, you gain the ability to weave a song of fey magic that imbues your allies with vigor and speed." So the question is now 'Am I my own ally?'
The text specifies allies: "When you join the College of Glamour at 3rd level, you gain the ability to weave a song of fey magic that imbues your allies with vigor and speed." So the question is now 'Am I my own ally?'
If you couldn't target yourself it would have been specified. I think that the wording is a bit strange to make it clear that is different from the common inspiration, that requires your party to HEAR you, with no sight requirement whatsoever.
Can you not look and see your own hands? I vote that you can use it on yourself.
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"I have found the answer to the meaning of life. You ask me what the answer is? You already know what the answer to life is. You fear it more than the strike of a viper, the ravages of disease, the ire of a lover. The answer is always death. But death is a gentle mistress with a sweet embrace, and you owe her a debt of restitution. Life is not a gift, it is a loan."
Expending a use of your inspiration is not the same thing as using bardic inspiration. This is more like using a level 1 spell slot for 2 different spells. In fact this is specifically one of the times you can use an inspiration charge on yourself as it is being used to give yourself the wonderous appearance
Can one creature to be affected by the Glamour Bard's Mantle of Inspiration Feat be the bard himself?
I think not. The Mantle od Inspiration says: "choose a number of creatures you can see and that can see you...". I think that excludes the bard.
"Targeting Yourself
If a spell targets a creature of your choice, you can choose yourself, unless the creature must be hostile or specifically a creature other than you. If you are in the area of effect of a spell you cast, you can target yourself."
This is from the spell casting section of the Basic Rules. Now Mantle of Inspiration is no spell but RAW I tend to unstand that the Bard could target himself as he is able to see himself. I am not sure though whether there is a special rule for feats. And RAI is another matter.
Has there been a consensus on this yet? Because the answer to this question greatly changes my interest in the subclass.
Not so much for the temporary hit points, but the free disengage and double movement on my turn would be incredible for a low AC bard to use on myself.
I am hoping the "targeting yourself" rules apply since it does not specify the Mantle of Inspiration cannot be used on yourself, the way Bardic Inspiration does.
Check with your DM before you roll the character up, however at the tables I've played at everyone has ruled it was including the Bard.
In fact Mantle of Inspiration saved the party last night maybe 3 times. It was fantastic!
I play a Glamour Bard and use this ability all the time. I've never found a need to use it on myself though. I've never had anyone say it can't include myself, but there are always people in more immediate danger than I am, and I am also have the Fade Away feat, so I only mantle other party members.
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Well it is everyone so using it on yourself doesn't stop others moving
It's not for everyone though, not if your Charisma modifier doesn't meet your party size.
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Had to use it on myself and some of my party last night.. that Strahd guy... I don't think he is a fan.
This came up in my game this past Friday, it was determined that it doesn't include the bard because it uses bardic Inspiration which specifically states that the card can not be the target.
Yet there exist features that allow Bards to use their Bardic Inspiration dice on themselves. It doesn't seem fair to just presume that one can't do so here.
The key seems to be the phrase "creatures that you can see and that can see you." Compare that with the phrases used in the description of various spells:
Seeming - "change the appearance of any number of creatures that you can see within range"
True Polymorph - "Choose one creature with at least 1 hit point or nonmagical object that you can see within range"
Healing Word - "A creature of your choice that you can see within range"
Haste - "Choose a willing creature that you can see within range"
Heal - "Choose a creature that you can see within range"
Water Breathing - "This spell grants up to ten willing creatures you can see within range the ability to..."
Levitate - "One creature or loose object of your choice that you can see within range rises vertically"
It seems like most people have no trouble letting these spells affect the spellcaster, if they desire. If you'd allow that with these spells, I really don't see why you'd find "Mantle of Inspiration" to be any less-clearly worded.
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The text specifies allies: "When you join the College of Glamour at 3rd level, you gain the ability to weave a song of fey magic that imbues your allies with vigor and speed." So the question is now 'Am I my own ally?'
The text specifies allies: "When you join the College of Glamour at 3rd level, you gain the ability to weave a song of fey magic that imbues your allies with vigor and speed." So the question is now 'Am I my own ally?'
Um, how about using a mirror? Attach it to your instrument or the inside of your shield. Taa daa! You become a creature you can see!
Can a glamour bard use Mantle of Inspiration on the same creature more than once before a short rest? My DM said I couldn’t stack temporary HP
It can be used more than once but your dm is correct temp HP doesn't stack so take the higher one and dump the other.
If you couldn't target yourself it would have been specified. I think that the wording is a bit strange to make it clear that is different from the common inspiration, that requires your party to HEAR you, with no sight requirement whatsoever.
Can you not look and see your own hands? I vote that you can use it on yourself.
"Where words fail, swords prevail. Where blood is spilled, my cup is filled" -Cartaphilus
"I have found the answer to the meaning of life. You ask me what the answer is? You already know what the answer to life is. You fear it more than the strike of a viper, the ravages of disease, the ire of a lover. The answer is always death. But death is a gentle mistress with a sweet embrace, and you owe her a debt of restitution. Life is not a gift, it is a loan."
Expending a use of your inspiration is not the same thing as using bardic inspiration. This is more like using a level 1 spell slot for 2 different spells. In fact this is specifically one of the times you can use an inspiration charge on yourself as it is being used to give yourself the wonderous appearance
https://m.twitch.tv/videos/369049747?t=12m24s
At the 12 min 25 second mark Jc answers RAI and RAW.
TL;Dr: RAI, no. RAW, yes.