Is performance of creations increases tied to character level or class level. My assumption is class level but it kind of reads like character level.
This ability would kind of fit for a Frankie from one piece build, with how in a flash he'd suddenly build a staircase or bridge out of seeming nothing.But staying bard kind of steers way from Frankie as hes more of a direct combat character, maybe arcanist afterwards.
The GP value of the item is based on your bard level, but for the size increase it only says "increases by one size category when you reach 6th level (Large) and 14th level (Huge)", so just character level based on what it says. It might be an oversight but typically if it was meant to be based on your bard level it would've said so.
Could be a moot point though because bigger things tend to cost more and you are still limited by the GP value based on bard levels.
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Thanks, that is how I was reading it. It just seemed weird. Yeah, for me I don't think the GP value would have too much of an effect. A staircase probably isn't too costly though the economy is hard to figure as some things are very expensive others are cheap but I kind of feel like $1 is 1 CP roughly for common items. Weapons/armor seems to scale out of that but the rest it seems fairly accurate. $6,000 covers a lot of basic carpentry. And that's assuming I only take 3 bard levels, I'd probably take another class just far enough to get a 2nd attack.
When class features refer to level, they mean class level.
The only exception are cantrip spells.
When a class ability is listed in the class list of abilities, it means you get it when you hit that class level not character level. However when class features intend a level based effect they clearly SAY class level.
Examples:
"When the cleric hits a creature with a melee attack, the cleric can use Channel Divinity to deal extra necrotic damage to the target. The damage equals 5 + twice his or her cleric level."
"Each time you gain a wizard level, you can add two wizard spells of your choice to your spellbook."
"Beginning at 4th level, you can use your reaction when you fall to reduce any falling damage you take by an amount equal to five times your monk level."
It seems obvious to me, given this clear pattern,that if it does not say class level, it means character level.
Yet this is not the case. Take ASIs a class feature which says
When you reach 4th, 8th, 12th, 16th, and 19th level, you can increase one ability score of your choice by 2, or you can increase two ability scores of your choice by 1. As normal, you can’t increase an ability score above 20 using this feature.
It doesn't say class level, just level.
Yet Sage Advice confirms it is class level
Are ability score improvements class-level dependent, rather than total level?
Ability score improvements are based on your level in a particular class, not your total character level if you multiclass. For instance, if you’re a 4th-level multiclass character, you haven’t yet received the Ability Score Improvement feature because you haven’t attained 4th level in one of your classes.
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Context is key. Class features mentioning levels refer to class levels, by context, and only refer to character level if specified.
Yet this is not the case. Take ASIs a class feature which says
When you reach 4th, 8th, 12th, 16th, and 19th level, you can increase one ability score of your choice by 2, or you can increase two ability scores of your choice by 1. As normal, you can’t increase an ability score above 20 using this feature.
It doesn't say class level, just level.
Yet Sage Advice confirms it is class level "When a class ability is listed in the class list of abilities, it means you get it when you hit that class level not character level"
Are ability score improvements class-level dependent, rather than total level?
Ability score improvements are based on your level in a particular class, not your total character level if you multiclass. For instance, if you’re a 4th-level multiclass character, you haven’t yet received the Ability Score Improvement feature because you haven’t attained 4th level in one of your classes.
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Context is key. Class features mentioning levels refer to class levels, by context, and only refer to character level if specified.
Reread my comment. See the line that says
"When a class ability is listed in the class list of abilities, it means you get it when you hit that class level not character level."
That was me saying everything you just said.
And when I next wrote
"However when class features intend a level based effect they clearly SAY class level. "
That was me explaining how this one example is the exception proving the rule, demonstrating how it does NOT mean the rest of my argument is wrong.
You managed to take 1 sentence of my argument, expand it and prove it, then ignored the entire rest of the argument.
The rules make it clear when it means class level and when it means character level. In the class chart, always a class level. Out of the class chart, it is a character level UNLESS it says class level. Why? Because a class chart is a class chart, they do not have to explain it there. But anything else they have to make it clear.
Just to head out further arguments, the multi-classing rules clearly state what happens with Proficiency Bonus, spells, experience, etc.
But perhaps I am wrong. To prove me wrong, all you need to do is to find at least ONE example of a class ability that specifically mentioned character level.
That one ability would demonstrate that generic level could possibly mean class level, rather than character level.
Is performance of creations increases tied to character level or class level. My assumption is class level but it kind of reads like character level.
This ability would kind of fit for a Frankie from one piece build, with how in a flash he'd suddenly build a staircase or bridge out of seeming nothing.But staying bard kind of steers way from Frankie as hes more of a direct combat character, maybe arcanist afterwards.
The GP value of the item is based on your bard level, but for the size increase it only says "increases by one size category when you reach 6th level (Large) and 14th level (Huge)", so just character level based on what it says. It might be an oversight but typically if it was meant to be based on your bard level it would've said so.
Could be a moot point though because bigger things tend to cost more and you are still limited by the GP value based on bard levels.
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Thanks, that is how I was reading it. It just seemed weird. Yeah, for me I don't think the GP value would have too much of an effect. A staircase probably isn't too costly though the economy is hard to figure as some things are very expensive others are cheap but I kind of feel like $1 is 1 CP roughly for common items. Weapons/armor seems to scale out of that but the rest it seems fairly accurate. $6,000 covers a lot of basic carpentry. And that's assuming I only take 3 bard levels, I'd probably take another class just far enough to get a 2nd attack.
When class features refer to level, they mean class level.
The only exception are cantrip spells.
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When a class ability is listed in the class list of abilities, it means you get it when you hit that class level not character level. However when class features intend a level based effect they clearly SAY class level.
Examples:
It seems obvious to me, given this clear pattern,that if it does not say class level, it means character level.
Yet this is not the case. Take ASIs a class feature which says
When you reach 4th, 8th, 12th, 16th, and 19th level, you can increase one ability score of your choice by 2, or you can increase two ability scores of your choice by 1. As normal, you can’t increase an ability score above 20 using this feature.
It doesn't say class level, just level.
Yet Sage Advice confirms it is class level
Are ability score improvements class-level dependent, rather than total level?
Ability score improvements are based on your level in a particular class, not your total character level if you multiclass. For instance, if you’re a 4th-level multiclass character, you haven’t yet received the Ability Score Improvement feature because you haven’t attained 4th level in one of your classes.
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Context is key. Class features mentioning levels refer to class levels, by context, and only refer to character level if specified.
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Reread my comment. See the line that says
"When a class ability is listed in the class list of abilities, it means you get it when you hit that class level not character level."
That was me saying everything you just said.
And when I next wrote
"However when class features intend a level based effect they clearly SAY class level. "
That was me explaining how this one example is the exception proving the rule, demonstrating how it does NOT mean the rest of my argument is wrong.
You managed to take 1 sentence of my argument, expand it and prove it, then ignored the entire rest of the argument.
The rules make it clear when it means class level and when it means character level. In the class chart, always a class level. Out of the class chart, it is a character level UNLESS it says class level. Why? Because a class chart is a class chart, they do not have to explain it there. But anything else they have to make it clear.
Just to head out further arguments, the multi-classing rules clearly state what happens with Proficiency Bonus, spells, experience, etc.
But perhaps I am wrong. To prove me wrong, all you need to do is to find at least ONE example of a class ability that specifically mentioned character level.
That one ability would demonstrate that generic level could possibly mean class level, rather than character level.