so, play an valor bard with good strength for a few levels until finally, your reach 10th level:
once you do, you use magical secrets to give yourself the find steed spell and some other good spell, maybe banishing smite, maybe tensers transformation, maybe even booming blade, does not matter, as long as you have tensers transformation later
cast the spell, get an glorious sky horse, move 180 ft per turn, use your lance a lot, skirmish the **** out of people, gloriously smite people, have fun for a few levels until you reach 17th level.
now, cast true polymorph on your glorious steed to turn it into an centaur, (both are CR 2, you aint missing much) and assuming he benefits persist and the steed it still your steed, well now you can have an bit of fun, cast tensers transformation and have both you and your steed be affected by an glorious transformation as you deal extra damage and make extra attacks, and get glorious 50 temp HP, centaurs being the only creatures who have both hands and are able to be ridden
the last step is optional, and may be achived with wizard as long as you cast wish to replicate find greater steed
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i am soup, with too many ideas (all of them very spicy) who has made sufficient homebrew material and character to last an thousand human lifetimes
FWIW, I'm playing a Bard and realized that since I am a member of the "Magic Fraternity" I could (should?) get a familiar. But since that isn't a bard spell, I bought a scroll so I could Find Familiar. Now I have a well trained mink (a weasel in an expensive coat) that is part of my act and serves me as a familiar. It boosts my RP even more.
What does that have to do with this thread? Instead of waiting until you are tenth level, see if your DM will allow you to buy a scroll to have that one necessary spell so you don't clutter up you spell table with a one-off spell.
If this spell will give you an awesome steed, see if that build can be eased forward a little.
Good Luck and Enjoy!
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FWIW, I'm playing a Bard and realized that since I am a member of the "Magic Fraternity" I could (should?) get a familiar. But since that isn't a bard spell, I bought a scroll so I could Find Familiar. Now I have a well trained mink (a weasel in an expensive coat) that is part of my act and serves me as a familiar. It boosts my RP even more.
What does that have to do with this thread? Instead of waiting until you are tenth level, see if your DM will allow you to buy a scroll to have that one necessary spell so you don't clutter up you spell table with a one-off spell.
If this spell will give you an awesome steed, see if that build can be eased forward a little.
Good Luck and Enjoy!
10th level would still be necessary for the other spells and such from magical secrets, but your method suggested might be used to not have to wait until level 17 for true polymorph.
FWIW, I'm playing a Bard and realized that since I am a member of the "Magic Fraternity" I could (should?) get a familiar. But since that isn't a bard spell, I bought a scroll so I could Find Familiar. Now I have a well trained mink (a weasel in an expensive coat) that is part of my act and serves me as a familiar. It boosts my RP even more.
What does that have to do with this thread? Instead of waiting until you are tenth level, see if your DM will allow you to buy a scroll to have that one necessary spell so you don't clutter up you spell table with a one-off spell.
If this spell will give you an awesome steed, see if that build can be eased forward a little.
Good Luck and Enjoy!
also ya know, scrolls only work if the spell itself is on your spell list. The bard spell list is rather limited, this is not second edition, bards cannot just use all scrolls like they used to be able to
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" also ya know, scrolls only work if the spell itself is on your spell list. The bard spell list is rather limited, this is not second edition, bards cannot just use all scrolls like they used to be able to "
I'd like to ask if I understand this properly. I do not believe Find Familiar is a Bard Spell. But I thought casters could cast spells if they were of sufficient level to cast them. So find familiar is a first(?) level spell so I would think a Bard armed with a find familiar scroll could cast find familiar, and then therefore benefit from having a familiar.
Or are you saying that my Bard can't cast a particular spell until he is high enough to cast that spell?
If the use of spell scrolls is limited to a class that is allowed to cast that variety of spell, then my DM is going to have some creative disagreements with many other folks.
I would understand if some were to say this could become a problem, but I see that as "only if the DM gives you access to a spell scroll that breaks his campaign." Any abuse can be controlled by the DM.
I'm not looking to be argumentative. I want to see if I missed a rule somewhere on this point about scrolls.
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A spell scroll bears the words of a single spell, written in a mystical cipher. If the spell is on your class’s spell list, you can read the scroll and cast its spell without providing any material components. Otherwise, the scroll is unintelligible.
From the Dungeon Master's Guide.
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Canto alla vita alla sua bellezza ad ogni sua ferita ogni sua carezza!
I sing to life and to its tragic beauty To pain and to strife, but all that dances through me The rise and the fall, I've lived through it all!
so, play an valor bard with good strength for a few levels until finally, your reach 10th level:
once you do, you use magical secrets to give yourself the find steed spell and some other good spell, maybe banishing smite, maybe tensers transformation, maybe even booming blade, does not matter, as long as you have tensers transformation later
cast the spell, get an glorious sky horse, move 180 ft per turn, use your lance a lot, skirmish the **** out of people, gloriously smite people, have fun for a few levels until you reach 17th level.
now, cast true polymorph on your glorious steed to turn it into an centaur, (both are CR 2, you aint missing much) and assuming he benefits persist and the steed it still your steed, well now you can have an bit of fun, cast tensers transformation and have both you and your steed be affected by an glorious transformation as you deal extra damage and make extra attacks, and get glorious 50 temp HP, centaurs being the only creatures who have both hands and are able to be ridden
the last step is optional, and may be achived with wizard as long as you cast wish to replicate find greater steed
i am soup, with too many ideas (all of them very spicy) who has made sufficient homebrew material and character to last an thousand human lifetimes
FWIW, I'm playing a Bard and realized that since I am a member of the "Magic Fraternity" I could (should?) get a familiar. But since that isn't a bard spell, I bought a scroll so I could Find Familiar. Now I have a well trained mink (a weasel in an expensive coat) that is part of my act and serves me as a familiar. It boosts my RP even more.
What does that have to do with this thread? Instead of waiting until you are tenth level, see if your DM will allow you to buy a scroll to have that one necessary spell so you don't clutter up you spell table with a one-off spell.
If this spell will give you an awesome steed, see if that build can be eased forward a little.
Good Luck and Enjoy!
Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt
10th level would still be necessary for the other spells and such from magical secrets, but your method suggested might be used to not have to wait until level 17 for true polymorph.
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also ya know, scrolls only work if the spell itself is on your spell list. The bard spell list is rather limited, this is not second edition, bards cannot just use all scrolls like they used to be able to
i am soup, with too many ideas (all of them very spicy) who has made sufficient homebrew material and character to last an thousand human lifetimes
The Valor Bard offers much to a magical warrior.
The fact that they can use "Tenser's Transformation" and attack with a bonus action on the same turn makes them particularly powerful.
Gaining "Find Greater Steed" only serves to enhance this power.
The only other spellcaster I've found that offers something like this is a Bladesinger Wizard, and only then, outside of combat with "Phantom Steed".
They get an easy-access "Shadow Blade", I suppose, and some wizardly goodness, but Valor Bards make for sturdy spellswords.
Artifice,
" also ya know, scrolls only work if the spell itself is on your spell list. The bard spell list is rather limited, this is not second edition, bards cannot just use all scrolls like they used to be able to "
I'd like to ask if I understand this properly. I do not believe Find Familiar is a Bard Spell. But I thought casters could cast spells if they were of sufficient level to cast them. So find familiar is a first(?) level spell so I would think a Bard armed with a find familiar scroll could cast find familiar, and then therefore benefit from having a familiar.
Or are you saying that my Bard can't cast a particular spell until he is high enough to cast that spell?
If the use of spell scrolls is limited to a class that is allowed to cast that variety of spell, then my DM is going to have some creative disagreements with many other folks.
I would understand if some were to say this could become a problem, but I see that as "only if the DM gives you access to a spell scroll that breaks his campaign." Any abuse can be controlled by the DM.
I'm not looking to be argumentative. I want to see if I missed a rule somewhere on this point about scrolls.
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From the Dungeon Master's Guide.
Canto alla vita
alla sua bellezza
ad ogni sua ferita
ogni sua carezza!
I sing to life and to its tragic beauty
To pain and to strife, but all that dances through me
The rise and the fall, I've lived through it all!
Thanks. I have yet to read the full length of the DM guide. This is advice that should appear in the PHB, in my opinion. Thanks.
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