so conjure barrage is normally an pretty unremarkable spell. It targets everyone within an 60ft cone and deals 3d8 damage of the weapon or projectile you used as an component, as an hail of your material component shoots from your hands. The component i can use can be anything, as long as it is an thrown weapon or an piece of ammunition. How ever not all thrown weapons deal damage, so what happens to the spell if i cast it using a net? From the way i see it these are the possible outcomes:
the spell deals no damage (reasoning: all damage must be associated with an damage type, You cannot deal "typeless damage")
the spell deals damage, but of no particular damage type. The target is treated as if the target has neither resistance, immunity or vulnerability to the damage. (the spell deals damage, but there is no particular damage type associated with this spell)
the spell deals bludgeoning damage (getting hit by what is basically just a bunch of ropes is probably closest to bludgeoning damage)
the spell fails and the spell slot is wasted (based on the assumption that point 1 is true, it does not matter is the targets fail or succeed on their saving throws, ether way they will take zero damage, treating the net as an invalid target or simply having it not work is the best way to not have to deal with this issue at all. If point 5 is true instead the spell is wasted since none of the nets will persist for sufficiently long to prroperly affect the )
all targets who fail their dexterity saving throw are subject to the effects of the net (makes sense from the description of the spell, and since the spell cannot deal any damage this will do as an substitute)
so whatcha all think? how should nets interact with the conjure barrage spell? please i beg of you to tell me so i may sleep at night. also while i have your attention, and on the topic of the conjure barrage spell and its implications, am i able to substitute the material component with an spellcasting focus, assuming i learn it on an class that has one (bard)? The spell has no specific cost, and the spell never says it consumes the material component like other spells, but at the same time we run into the exact same problem as the net where no specific damage type is given. Should the spell just create ammo all on its own when cast with an spellcasting focus, or will i just be throwing several well-crafted halfling fiddles at my enemies?
Also, how does this spell interact with acid, and similar improvised weapons? The spell never says that it needs to be an simple or martial weapon, meaning that all thrown weaponry, including improvised thrown weapons should be fine. But at the same time literally every single item in dnd can be an improvised thrown weapon, including every simple or martial melee weapons
also pro tip: if you are playing a lore bard and people are not taking you seriously, consider casting shadow blade, and then using the weapon produced by the spell as an focus for conjure barrage to create an hail of spooky shadow swords
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I would think #5 would be correct. And doesn't conjure barrage not function on magical weapons.
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I would really love a way to make nets more useful, but if we're going RAW I think it would just do bludgeoning damage because the entry for net says that it does 0 bludgeoning while the entry for Conjure Barrage says that the conjured weapons disappear after striking.
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ah, did not really notice the first part of the description. Then again, since it is part of the description, it is a bit unclear if it is necessary, dnd has a lot of weird quirks and it is possible that the initial piece of non magical ammunition that duplicates itself is in itself an non magical copy of your magical weapon. Then again making an "nonmagial" shadow sword that deals psychic damage for the spell makes zero sense so yeah, it is likely that the spell requires an non magical weapon an an component
also being subject to the net would in that case not be very useful, since the weapons created by the spell dissapear after the spell is cast, unless the DM rules otherwise
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there is no official material that states that the net deals "0 bludgeoning damage" other than the dnd beyond page. If we look at the actiual players handbook it simply states it deals no damage. The reason that dnd beyond says that it deals "0 bludgeoning damage" is likely due to the way dnd beyond was programmed, probably dnd beyond needs an damage type associated with it, and needs to show an value for damage, and so bludgeoning is more of an placeholder than anything. I will agree
the nets do dissapear after the spell is cast, but that does not necessarily disprove the targets being subject to the effects. It simply means that the nets dissapear and the creatures cease to be resterained immedeatly.... Not that it matters in that case...
what happens when i use an casting focus instead?
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so conjure barrage is normally an pretty unremarkable spell. It targets everyone within an 60ft cone and deals 3d8 damage of the weapon or projectile you used as an component, as an hail of your material component shoots from your hands. The component i can use can be anything, as long as it is an thrown weapon or an piece of ammunition. How ever not all thrown weapons deal damage, so what happens to the spell if i cast it using a net? From the way i see it these are the possible outcomes:
so whatcha all think? how should nets interact with the conjure barrage spell? please i beg of you to tell me so i may sleep at night. also while i have your attention, and on the topic of the conjure barrage spell and its implications, am i able to substitute the material component with an spellcasting focus, assuming i learn it on an class that has one (bard)? The spell has no specific cost, and the spell never says it consumes the material component like other spells, but at the same time we run into the exact same problem as the net where no specific damage type is given. Should the spell just create ammo all on its own when cast with an spellcasting focus, or will i just be throwing several well-crafted halfling fiddles at my enemies?
Also, how does this spell interact with acid, and similar improvised weapons? The spell never says that it needs to be an simple or martial weapon, meaning that all thrown weaponry, including improvised thrown weapons should be fine. But at the same time literally every single item in dnd can be an improvised thrown weapon, including every simple or martial melee weapons
also pro tip: if you are playing a lore bard and people are not taking you seriously, consider casting shadow blade, and then using the weapon produced by the spell as an focus for conjure barrage to create an hail of spooky shadow swords
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I would think #5 would be correct. And doesn't conjure barrage not function on magical weapons.
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I would really love a way to make nets more useful, but if we're going RAW I think it would just do bludgeoning damage because the entry for net says that it does 0 bludgeoning while the entry for Conjure Barrage says that the conjured weapons disappear after striking.
Canto alla vita
alla sua bellezza
ad ogni sua ferita
ogni sua carezza!
I sing to life and to its tragic beauty
To pain and to strife, but all that dances through me
The rise and the fall, I've lived through it all!
ah, did not really notice the first part of the description. Then again, since it is part of the description, it is a bit unclear if it is necessary, dnd has a lot of weird quirks and it is possible that the initial piece of non magical ammunition that duplicates itself is in itself an non magical copy of your magical weapon. Then again making an "nonmagial" shadow sword that deals psychic damage for the spell makes zero sense so yeah, it is likely that the spell requires an non magical weapon an an component
also being subject to the net would in that case not be very useful, since the weapons created by the spell dissapear after the spell is cast, unless the DM rules otherwise
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fair points but
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