How does Subtle Spell: Interaction with Spells with Material Components? If you use a Spellcasting Focus? (Or, if you don't use a Spellcasting Focus?) If a Spell Component has a "cost"? Does line of sight come into play on any of this?
When you cast a spell, you can spend 1 Sorcery Point to cast it without any Verbal, Somatic, or Material components, except Material components that are consumed by the spell or that have a cost specified in the spell.
You don't need to use a focus because the material component is waived (except in the cases outlined like the component being consumed or having a cost, but then the spellcasting focus couldn't be used then, either).
Subtle has no interaction with LoS. If the spell requires it (and I think all or nearly all spells do), then it still would.
Can I assume that the wording of 2024 Subtle Spell was the intention for 2014 Subtle Spell: 'When you cast a spell, you can spend 1 sorcery point to cast it without any somatic or verbal components." - source: https://www.dndbeyond.com/classes/6-sorcerer#ClassFeatures)? (Otherwise, I think I did something or got away with something, I wasn't supposed to.)
Can I assume that the wording of 2024 Subtle Spell was the intention for 2014 Subtle Spell: 'When you cast a spell, you can spend 1 sorcery point to cast it without any somatic or verbal components." - source: https://www.dndbeyond.com/classes/6-sorcerer#ClassFeatures)? (Otherwise, I think I did something or got away with something, I wasn't supposed to.)
The 2014 and 2024 versions are meaningfully different. The 2024 version removes material components from the spell if they don't have a cost and aren't consumed. The 2014 does not do that. I don't think there's any reason to assume that it was supposed to.
Ah, sorry... didn't realize you were referencing the '14 version of the spell with your question. I agree with wagnarokkr. There is no ambiguity in the wording of 5.14 that needed to be clarified with the updated 5.24 version. They simply buffed it for the revision. If you are running 5.14 and used subtle to waive the material component, then you indeed got away with something you shouldn't have.
Would a sorcerer need to worry about material components as his power is innate and directed through his Focus item?
The Sorcerer class doesn't have any special ability to ignore material components other than the Subtle Spell metamagic option that was being discussed in this thread a year ago, which, again, only removes material components that aren't consumed and don't have a cost. This is the same functionality as a spellcasting focus (though of course Subtle Spell also removes verbal and somatic components).
The fact that Sorcerers' magical abilities are innate doesn't provide them with any mechanical benefits other than what is explicitly laid out in the rules themselves.
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How does Subtle Spell: Interaction with Spells with Material Components? If you use a Spellcasting Focus? (Or, if you don't use a Spellcasting Focus?) If a Spell Component has a "cost"? Does line of sight come into play on any of this?
The text of the metamagic makes it pretty clear:
You don't need to use a focus because the material component is waived (except in the cases outlined like the component being consumed or having a cost, but then the spellcasting focus couldn't be used then, either).
Subtle has no interaction with LoS. If the spell requires it (and I think all or nearly all spells do), then it still would.
Can I assume that the wording of 2024 Subtle Spell was the intention for 2014 Subtle Spell: 'When you cast a spell, you can spend 1 sorcery point to cast it without any somatic or verbal components." - source: https://www.dndbeyond.com/classes/6-sorcerer#ClassFeatures)? (Otherwise, I think I did something or got away with something, I wasn't supposed to.)
The 2014 and 2024 versions are meaningfully different. The 2024 version removes material components from the spell if they don't have a cost and aren't consumed. The 2014 does not do that. I don't think there's any reason to assume that it was supposed to.
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Ah, sorry... didn't realize you were referencing the '14 version of the spell with your question. I agree with wagnarokkr. There is no ambiguity in the wording of 5.14 that needed to be clarified with the updated 5.24 version. They simply buffed it for the revision. If you are running 5.14 and used subtle to waive the material component, then you indeed got away with something you shouldn't have.
Would a sorcerer need to worry about material components as his power is innate and directed through his Focus item?
By the rules, yes, sorcerers need to worry about components, even though their power is innate.
Except that:
The Sorcerer class doesn't have any special ability to ignore material components other than the Subtle Spell metamagic option that was being discussed in this thread a year ago, which, again, only removes material components that aren't consumed and don't have a cost. This is the same functionality as a spellcasting focus (though of course Subtle Spell also removes verbal and somatic components).
The fact that Sorcerers' magical abilities are innate doesn't provide them with any mechanical benefits other than what is explicitly laid out in the rules themselves.
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