So 9th level spells - worth it? If you do a 3/17 build I would suggest they are not worth it. You won't get that 9th level spell slot until 20th level. If you play that long. Even with a "good feeling" about it - that's still a big if. And if you do get to 20th level, how much time will you spend there? On top of that, your healing ability is less and less useful every time you level up, with Warlock stuck at 3.
If you really want to enjoy 9th level spells go single class - Sorcerer or Warlock and start using them at level 17. Unless your DM does XP using a variant method, you will spend a LOT LOT longer (probably 6-8 times as long) at levels 17, 18, 19, and 20 combined than you will at just level 20.
Your other possible builds look like a lot of mid level fun. Be sure to think about how you will manage bonus actions - you will likely have more good options than you can use. And you will sufferer from lack of ASI's/feats if you triple class.
Umbrella as a club is cool; that's not asking much of the DM at all. Shillelagh on it is super legit once the DM has declared it a club. As a DM I would not give you finesse with it though. All finesse weapons are piercing. I think that's been done for several balance reasons, one of which I would bet is so you can't use sneak attack damage in conjunction with Shillelagh. But hey, as a player, I'll take what I can get from my DM, even if somewhat cheesy, so, if you aren't embarrassed to ask for that much special treatment, I'd go for it. :)
Thanks for this great response! I have been a dm for awhile now, this is my firs time playing a PC in a few years. I have given up on finesse, but the DM may do something like that later anyway, I dont know. I agree with you all that pushing for finesse is something I might lean against as a DM, but as a player I like to ask and see what they say. :D
I am grateful for your advice on top end spells. I really dont know if we will get there, and it is a XP campaign like you suggested. Your point about residing in that level 14-17 pocket for a long time is well taken. On top of that, The part needs more heals, and I have been wishing I had more healing light pool that just 4d6 for the entire campaign. I started looking at a 10/10 split between the HealsSorc and HealLock last night as i feel asleep. Maybe for ABI purposes it should be 12/8. But 10/10 gives me 10 sorc points, a third Metamagic talent, 5th level spells in both classes (if I think of this more as using sorc points and saccing spell slots for sorc points to heal a ton, with real sorc spells as back up, then 5th level spells feels ok-ish), five invocations known, 11d6 Healing Light pool, and my 10th level Patron Feature, Celestial Resistance. Doesnt do either warlock or sorc as fully intended, but instead becomes a Flexible Casting Healer/Blaster that views spell slots as expendable sorc points to fuel things.
Nice point. Also I imagine like a 1.5 inch oak dowel to be a club-like, but also could be finesse. That was the thought behind the umbrella weapon MAYBE having finesse down the line. Like a *masterwork* umbrella hahaha... sigh.
@FullMetalbunny: " I believe tonight you need to rent Kingsman: The Secret Service and watch Colin Firth beat people up with an umbrella, so you can update that comment!"
I can't believe I forgot that! I hope I didn't get too much Eggsy on my face!
IMO its a bit far fetched giving a Umbrella the finesse tag. I feel its more a staff then a club as well. But that just me :P
Yeah, i hae given up on that. Im not going to MC rogue anymorr anyway... the lure of sorc points and a healing light pool, plus my party make up is making me go full healer.
Side note, i totally just bought a rainbow umbrella with a unicorn head handle and sword guard for 10 dollars at gamestop hahah (i have a unicorn patron and fight with an umbrella... it seemed like a sign
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@FullMetalbunny: " I believe tonight you need to rent Kingsman: The Secret Service and watch Colin Firth beat people up with an umbrella, so you can update that comment!"
I can't believe I forgot that! I hope I didn't get too much Eggsy on my face!
Roleplaying since Runequest.
IMO its a bit far fetched giving a Umbrella the finesse tag. I feel its more a staff then a club as well. But that just me :P