After taking this spell I came up with a couple of questions. 1. Will a person slide? For example, a person is pushed - how far will they now go? Or if it's on a slope how far will they go? Will they trip when they suddenly come to the end of it if they haven't fallen already? 2. Is it flammable? I would say no as this isn't meant as a burn em up spell but as a trip & slip em up spell, however I think flammability would/could be a great unintended consequence for the DM to impose (surprise, now the rooms on fire) or even planned action by the player. I'm on the fence on this one & like it either way. What do the great minds think?
The spell only does what it says. The affected area becomes difficult terrain, dex saves needed to prevent falling on arse. Now, in terms of slipperyness it's pure DM territory, but the spell does state it is "slick". So, it's very reasonable.
I would say a harsh no on the flammable. Grease spell, applied right, is already rather powerful, making it flammable is too much and there isn nothing to indicate it is flammable."Grease" =/= "flammable". Grease by definition is just a thick lubricant. So slippy is reasonable, flammable is not.
I'd allow flammable grease, 1d10 fire damage max, but it'd have to be 3rd level minimum (note: it's a 1st level spell, not 2nd, but consistent option to make enemies prone and difficult terrrain and flammable and no concentration? Defo 3rd.)
Thanks for the reply. Oops it is a first level spell, Thanks, I changed it. You said that grease is not flammable, I realize that some may not be, that most are, especially ones made with butter or pork fat, as indicated by the material components. I like your idea for a third level homebrew flammable grease spell. I'm still on the fence if it should be second or third because lighting it on fire would require another action from another spell or mundane flame source. Reason being, it would have, perhaps, a one minute or less duration - maybe one round, and if it didn't get lit... well anyway, thanks. It still needs work. Your ideas are welcome.
No, Grease is not flammable. If it had a flammable component, it would say so. 2nd level Web is an example. Here's the applicable text from Web:
The webs are flammable. Any 5-foot cube of webs exposed to fire burns away in 1 round, dealing 2d4 fire damage to any creature that starts its turn in the fire.
So, if Grease was flammable, the spell would say it is. The spell doesn't do anything that it doesn't specifically state that it does.
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This edition I'd say no to sliding outside maybe giving advantage to a player trying to slide with a acrobatics test or maybe disadvantage to someone standing it versus push effects. As advantage/disadvantage is situational GM calls for the most part. And no its not flammable.
AD&D I'd of said yes to both, though how flammable might be the question. Like no flint and steel isn't going to ignite it, but a fireball would. A lot of this is implied GM latitude based on the rules. I think AD&D people interpreted spells to work in additional ways that made sense and they game expected you to do that. It put grease down, what would grease do. In later editions, it was more stat block, or whats in the spell rules removing the context of what the spell does. Kind of sad to me in a sense, spells and abilities became rule blocks instead of actual things in the world. Like grease at the top of a flight of stairs when someone is running should be brutal, but instead you just fall prone in the square you entered the grease.
That being said nothing is wrong with going the more AD&D route with these spells if you think it would make your game better.
I don't know for real but it should be flammable. Firebolt says it can ignite flammable things and the materials for the spell is pork rinds or butter and both are flammable so by nature laws it should be flammable.also says it's slick so I imagine more liquid than solid/paste. But even paste should ignite, but yeah the materials themselves are flammable.
Sorry Sanchodalmmortal - ingredients being flammable does not make finished product flammable. As a real world example I present the explosive when wet sodium, and the poisonous to just about everything chlorine, which, mixed together in a 1 to 1 ratio, gives us sodium chloride also known as table salt. Sodium chloride is essential to almost every living thing on Earth as a means of regulating sugar levels, water levels, and temperature.
This is a great spell, flammable or not. The main thing holding it back is the small surface area covered by one casting and the fact that it lasts only 1 minute.
Yeah not flammable. What's strange is how many Yes votes there are despite no one having a cogent sound arguement for why the spell should do extra things it doesn't say it can do.
The argument that the spell grease is flammable because the object grease is flammable is perfectly sound and cogent, especially since the material components indicate its probably a animal fat based grease layered on the ground and not a industrial high temp lubricant. Just like saying your character gets wet when in a water wall spell or any other non explicit event occurs happens because that is how the world works. This is especially true in a system where they push a rulings not rules mantra. As I said earlier I think in this edition the answer would be no by RAW, but a lack of explaining a interaction does not mean a interaction does not occur. just that it is up to DM interpretation.
The argument that the spell grease is flammable because the object grease is flammable is perfectly sound and cogent, especially since the material components indicate its probably a animal fat based grease layered on the ground and not a industrial high temp lubricant. Just like saying your character gets wet when in a water wall spell or any other non explicit event occurs happens because that is how the world works. This is especially true in a system where they push a rulings not rules mantra. As I said earlier I think in this edition the answer would be no by RAW, but a lack of explaining a interaction does not mean a interaction does not occur. just that it is up to DM interpretation.
Grease is typically not flammable. The object. IRL. typical, isn't flammable.
So if that's the entirely of your argument, you're, like, just wrong.
DMs may make calls but those are DM calls not Rules as Written.
Rules as Written - The substance created by the Grease spell cannot be set alight.
I already said such earlier, but in fact RAW is silent on it. It does not say you can not set grease on fire. Fireball says it sets flammable objects on fire. And I kind of assume they are using the more common use term of flammable of something that sets fire easily and not a scientific term at X temps it can set something afire. Saying grease cannot be set alight is RAW is like saying you cannot break a chair because chairs are not in the game. Sure there are guidelines for breaking small objects and you could use that, but the chair is not stated out. Just like there are guidelines that things can be set alight, but grease is silent on it.
You literally can not run a RAW game, RAW does not and can not cover everything. It is a loose framework in place that is there to help DMs make judgement calls. Do I think the intended rule based on how the sage has made calls is that the spell cannot be set alight, sure. But SAGE advice really in the end is just a DM call.
The spell does exactly what it says it does, and nothing more. It crease a magical slippery substance. There's no reason to believe that it's flammable.
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DMs may make calls but those are DM calls not Rules as Written.
Rules as Written - The substance created by the Grease spell cannot be set alight.
I already said such earlier, but in fact RAW is silent on it. It does not say you can not set grease on fire. Fireball says it sets flammable objects on fire. And I kind of assume they are using the more common use term of flammable of something that sets fire easily and not a scientific term at X temps it can set something afire. Saying grease cannot be set alight is RAW is like saying you cannot break a chair because chairs are not in the game. Sure there are guidelines for breaking small objects and you could use that, but the chair is not stated out. Just like there are guidelines that things can be set alight, but grease is silent on it.
You literally can not run a RAW game, RAW does not and can not cover everything. It is a loose framework in place that is there to help DMs make judgement calls. Do I think the intended rule based on how the sage has made calls is that the spell cannot be set alight, sure. But SAGE advice really in the end is just a DM call.
Grease, IRL, is not easy to set alight. You have to heat it up to high temperature first.
If it is a multistep process to get it to light on fire, it definitely doesn't qualify as flammable.
A number of people have pointed this out now, too. Grease just isn't as flammable as you think it is.
Edit: a good laymans way to tell the difference between something combustible vs something flammable. Can you use it to start a campfire vs does it burn if you add it to an already established campfire. If you tried to throw sparks at a pile of room temp grease you're never going to get a campfire started. But be extremly careful adding grease to an already established campfire because OMG is that stuff going to burn.
Edit2: The reason for the difference is time. Combustible materials need time exposed to the flame to heat up a lot. Eventually when they're heated up enough they can burn. But flammable stuff is ready to burn straight away if you give them even split second contact with fire.
DMs may make calls but those are DM calls not Rules as Written.
Rules as Written - The substance created by the Grease spell cannot be set alight.
I already said such earlier, but in fact RAW is silent on it. It does not say you can not set grease on fire. Fireball says it sets flammable objects on fire. And I kind of assume they are using the more common use term of flammable of something that sets fire easily and not a scientific term at X temps it can set something afire. Saying grease cannot be set alight is RAW is like saying you cannot break a chair because chairs are not in the game. Sure there are guidelines for breaking small objects and you could use that, but the chair is not stated out. Just like there are guidelines that things can be set alight, but grease is silent on it.
You literally can not run a RAW game, RAW does not and can not cover everything. It is a loose framework in place that is there to help DMs make judgement calls. Do I think the intended rule based on how the sage has made calls is that the spell cannot be set alight, sure. But SAGE advice really in the end is just a DM call.
Grease, IRL, is not easy to set alight. You have to heat it up to high temperature first.
If it is a multistep process to get it to light on fire, it definitely doesn't qualify as flammable.
A number of people have pointed this out now, too. Grease just isn't as flammable as you think it is.
Edit: a good laymans way to tell the difference between something combustible vs something flammable. Can you use it to start a campfire vs does it burn if you add it to an already established campfire. If you tried to throw sparks at a pile of room temp grease you're never going to get a campfire started. But be extremly careful adding grease to an already established campfire because OMG is that stuff going to burn.
Edit2: The reason for the difference is time. Combustible materials need time exposed to the flame to heat up a lot. Eventually when they're heated up enough they can burn. But flammable stuff is ready to burn straight away if you give them even split second contact with fire.
A number of people have been wrong. You are using the scientific terms for flammable instead of the general use term. You and the others refusing to accept that does not make it wrong. The question isn't does it set alight at 140 degrees or something but if you shoot it with a firebolt, a fireball, intentionally set flame to it with a torch does it set alight. And yes given the various grease fires I have seen open fire will set it alight. That is what flammable will mean in context to its words general use and in a game like D&D. This game is based on natural language not did you take high school chem.
DMs may make calls but those are DM calls not Rules as Written.
Rules as Written - The substance created by the Grease spell cannot be set alight.
I already said such earlier, but in fact RAW is silent on it. It does not say you can not set grease on fire. Fireball says it sets flammable objects on fire. And I kind of assume they are using the more common use term of flammable of something that sets fire easily and not a scientific term at X temps it can set something afire. Saying grease cannot be set alight is RAW is like saying you cannot break a chair because chairs are not in the game. Sure there are guidelines for breaking small objects and you could use that, but the chair is not stated out. Just like there are guidelines that things can be set alight, but grease is silent on it.
You literally can not run a RAW game, RAW does not and can not cover everything. It is a loose framework in place that is there to help DMs make judgement calls. Do I think the intended rule based on how the sage has made calls is that the spell cannot be set alight, sure. But SAGE advice really in the end is just a DM call.
Grease, IRL, is not easy to set alight. You have to heat it up to high temperature first.
If it is a multistep process to get it to light on fire, it definitely doesn't qualify as flammable.
A number of people have pointed this out now, too. Grease just isn't as flammable as you think it is.
Edit: a good laymans way to tell the difference between something combustible vs something flammable. Can you use it to start a campfire vs does it burn if you add it to an already established campfire. If you tried to throw sparks at a pile of room temp grease you're never going to get a campfire started. But be extremly careful adding grease to an already established campfire because OMG is that stuff going to burn.
Edit2: The reason for the difference is time. Combustible materials need time exposed to the flame to heat up a lot. Eventually when they're heated up enough they can burn. But flammable stuff is ready to burn straight away if you give them even split second contact with fire.
A number of people have been wrong. You are using the scientific terms for flammable instead of the general use term. You and the others refusing to accept that does not make it wrong. The question isn't does it set alight at 140 degrees or something but if you shoot it with a firebolt, a fireball, intentionally set flame to it with a torch does it set alight.
Uh, I clearly went into laymans terms about the distiction between flammable and combustible. I'm not resting my arguement on any specific temperature threshold definition like you keep claiming. Wrongly.
And it is a pretty well known distinction for a lot of people, like... quite a lot of people, who have nothing to do with science. It isn't a "scientific" definition so much as just the legal one used by regulatory bodies for classification of materials.
And yes given the various grease fires I have seen open fire will set it alight. That is what flammable will mean in context to its words general use and in a game like D&D. This game is based on natural language not did you take high school chem.
See my example. Re: start a campfire vs add to a campfire.
Plenty of greases will burn if you add them to a campfire. Sure. So will a solid block of oak. Even a freshly chopped one if you give it long enough.
But you wouldn't use them to "start" a campfire. Because they're not flammable enough.
That's a pretty good threshold between flammable vs combustible. Not super technical either. Relies on basic common sense.
DMs may make calls but those are DM calls not Rules as Written.
Rules as Written - The substance created by the Grease spell cannot be set alight.
I already said such earlier, but in fact RAW is silent on it. It does not say you can not set grease on fire. Fireball says it sets flammable objects on fire. And I kind of assume they are using the more common use term of flammable of something that sets fire easily and not a scientific term at X temps it can set something afire. Saying grease cannot be set alight is RAW is like saying you cannot break a chair because chairs are not in the game. Sure there are guidelines for breaking small objects and you could use that, but the chair is not stated out. Just like there are guidelines that things can be set alight, but grease is silent on it.
You literally can not run a RAW game, RAW does not and can not cover everything. It is a loose framework in place that is there to help DMs make judgement calls. Do I think the intended rule based on how the sage has made calls is that the spell cannot be set alight, sure. But SAGE advice really in the end is just a DM call.
Grease, IRL, is not easy to set alight. You have to heat it up to high temperature first.
If it is a multistep process to get it to light on fire, it definitely doesn't qualify as flammable.
A number of people have pointed this out now, too. Grease just isn't as flammable as you think it is.
Edit: a good laymans way to tell the difference between something combustible vs something flammable. Can you use it to start a campfire vs does it burn if you add it to an already established campfire. If you tried to throw sparks at a pile of room temp grease you're never going to get a campfire started. But be extremly careful adding grease to an already established campfire because OMG is that stuff going to burn.
Edit2: The reason for the difference is time. Combustible materials need time exposed to the flame to heat up a lot. Eventually when they're heated up enough they can burn. But flammable stuff is ready to burn straight away if you give them even split second contact with fire.
A number of people have been wrong. You are using the scientific terms for flammable instead of the general use term. You and the others refusing to accept that does not make it wrong. The question isn't does it set alight at 140 degrees or something but if you shoot it with a firebolt, a fireball, intentionally set flame to it with a torch does it set alight. And yes given the various grease fires I have seen open fire will set it alight. That is what flammable will mean in context to its words general use and in a game like D&D. This game is based on natural language not did you take high school chem.
This reads like you're really reaching now.
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DMs may make calls but those are DM calls not Rules as Written.
Rules as Written - The substance created by the Grease spell cannot be set alight.
I already said such earlier, but in fact RAW is silent on it. It does not say you can not set grease on fire. Fireball says it sets flammable objects on fire. And I kind of assume they are using the more common use term of flammable of something that sets fire easily and not a scientific term at X temps it can set something afire. Saying grease cannot be set alight is RAW is like saying you cannot break a chair because chairs are not in the game. Sure there are guidelines for breaking small objects and you could use that, but the chair is not stated out. Just like there are guidelines that things can be set alight, but grease is silent on it.
You literally can not run a RAW game, RAW does not and can not cover everything. It is a loose framework in place that is there to help DMs make judgement calls. Do I think the intended rule based on how the sage has made calls is that the spell cannot be set alight, sure. But SAGE advice really in the end is just a DM call.
Grease, IRL, is not easy to set alight. You have to heat it up to high temperature first.
If it is a multistep process to get it to light on fire, it definitely doesn't qualify as flammable.
A number of people have pointed this out now, too. Grease just isn't as flammable as you think it is.
Edit: a good laymans way to tell the difference between something combustible vs something flammable. Can you use it to start a campfire vs does it burn if you add it to an already established campfire. If you tried to throw sparks at a pile of room temp grease you're never going to get a campfire started. But be extremly careful adding grease to an already established campfire because OMG is that stuff going to burn.
Edit2: The reason for the difference is time. Combustible materials need time exposed to the flame to heat up a lot. Eventually when they're heated up enough they can burn. But flammable stuff is ready to burn straight away if you give them even split second contact with fire.
A number of people have been wrong. You are using the scientific terms for flammable instead of the general use term. You and the others refusing to accept that does not make it wrong. The question isn't does it set alight at 140 degrees or something but if you shoot it with a firebolt, a fireball, intentionally set flame to it with a torch does it set alight. And yes given the various grease fires I have seen open fire will set it alight. That is what flammable will mean in context to its words general use and in a game like D&D. This game is based on natural language not did you take high school chem.
This reads like you're really reaching now.
It literally isn't. The term flammable only appears in spells as far as I am aware, and I have to think it is there for a reason. If you base flammable off of the requirements off grease in the real world and say it is not flammable, then virtually nothing is flammable and noting that spells set flammable objects on fire is virtually pointless as the players will not encounter it outside of traps set by the DM where they have some highly flammable gas in the air or maybe dry leaves or something. It wont set alight books, furniture, homes etc. As those require quite a bit of heat and direct fire to set alight. Maybe open paper being 451 for setting afire as opposed to a flash point of 600ish for greases. But that is a pretty narrow band to wrap flammable around, they only meant paper scrolls when talking about spells that ignite flammable objects.
I am fine with not the grease spell as its magic grease or whatever, I think that is the intent. As 5e as pushed by the SAGE on how the rules are intended seems to be the don't use magic creatively edition. edit to add, Though I will add, he usually also makes a comment that in his game he'd allow that stuff. Just that, its not how the rule is meant. Which given organized play etc i get. Not like, but get. I'd much rather have weaker spells that interact with the world in creative ways than over powered spells that only work in the narrow confines of how the spell is described, but so be it. But if you narrow flammable down to how say cooking oils work and say that is not flammable enough, then virtually nothing is flammable for those spells and somehow I don't think that is the intent.
After taking this spell I came up with a couple of questions. 1. Will a person slide? For example, a person is pushed - how far will they now go? Or if it's on a slope how far will they go? Will they trip when they suddenly come to the end of it if they haven't fallen already? 2. Is it flammable? I would say no as this isn't meant as a burn em up spell but as a trip & slip em up spell, however I think flammability would/could be a great unintended consequence for the DM to impose (surprise, now the rooms on fire) or even planned action by the player. I'm on the fence on this one & like it either way. What do the great minds think?
The spell only does what it says. The affected area becomes difficult terrain, dex saves needed to prevent falling on arse. Now, in terms of slipperyness it's pure DM territory, but the spell does state it is "slick". So, it's very reasonable.
I would say a harsh no on the flammable. Grease spell, applied right, is already rather powerful, making it flammable is too much and there isn nothing to indicate it is flammable."Grease" =/= "flammable". Grease by definition is just a thick lubricant. So slippy is reasonable, flammable is not.
I'd allow flammable grease, 1d10 fire damage max, but it'd have to be 3rd level minimum (note: it's a 1st level spell, not 2nd, but consistent option to make enemies prone and difficult terrrain and flammable and no concentration? Defo 3rd.)
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Thanks for the reply. Oops it is a first level spell, Thanks, I changed it. You said that grease is not flammable, I realize that some may not be, that most are, especially ones made with butter or pork fat, as indicated by the material components. I like your idea for a third level homebrew flammable grease spell. I'm still on the fence if it should be second or third because lighting it on fire would require another action from another spell or mundane flame source. Reason being, it would have, perhaps, a one minute or less duration - maybe one round, and if it didn't get lit... well anyway, thanks. It still needs work. Your ideas are welcome.
No, Grease is not flammable. If it had a flammable component, it would say so. 2nd level Web is an example. Here's the applicable text from Web:
The webs are flammable. Any 5-foot cube of webs exposed to fire burns away in 1 round, dealing 2d4 fire damage to any creature that starts its turn in the fire.
So, if Grease was flammable, the spell would say it is. The spell doesn't do anything that it doesn't specifically state that it does.
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This edition I'd say no to sliding outside maybe giving advantage to a player trying to slide with a acrobatics test or maybe disadvantage to someone standing it versus push effects. As advantage/disadvantage is situational GM calls for the most part. And no its not flammable.
AD&D I'd of said yes to both, though how flammable might be the question. Like no flint and steel isn't going to ignite it, but a fireball would. A lot of this is implied GM latitude based on the rules. I think AD&D people interpreted spells to work in additional ways that made sense and they game expected you to do that. It put grease down, what would grease do. In later editions, it was more stat block, or whats in the spell rules removing the context of what the spell does. Kind of sad to me in a sense, spells and abilities became rule blocks instead of actual things in the world. Like grease at the top of a flight of stairs when someone is running should be brutal, but instead you just fall prone in the square you entered the grease.
That being said nothing is wrong with going the more AD&D route with these spells if you think it would make your game better.
I don't know for real but it should be flammable. Firebolt says it can ignite flammable things and the materials for the spell is pork rinds or butter and both are flammable so by nature laws it should be flammable.also says it's slick so I imagine more liquid than solid/paste. But even paste should ignite, but yeah the materials themselves are flammable.
Sorry Sanchodalmmortal - ingredients being flammable does not make finished product flammable. As a real world example I present the explosive when wet sodium, and the poisonous to just about everything chlorine, which, mixed together in a 1 to 1 ratio, gives us sodium chloride also known as table salt. Sodium chloride is essential to almost every living thing on Earth as a means of regulating sugar levels, water levels, and temperature.
Another thing to consider - if grease cast by the PC is flammable, then so is grease cast by the NPC.
Personally I believe the posters above are correct - grease is a slickum spell only
This is a great spell, flammable or not. The main thing holding it back is the small surface area covered by one casting and the fact that it lasts only 1 minute.
Yeah not flammable. What's strange is how many Yes votes there are despite no one having a cogent sound arguement for why the spell should do extra things it doesn't say it can do.
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The argument that the spell grease is flammable because the object grease is flammable is perfectly sound and cogent, especially since the material components indicate its probably a animal fat based grease layered on the ground and not a industrial high temp lubricant. Just like saying your character gets wet when in a water wall spell or any other non explicit event occurs happens because that is how the world works. This is especially true in a system where they push a rulings not rules mantra. As I said earlier I think in this edition the answer would be no by RAW, but a lack of explaining a interaction does not mean a interaction does not occur. just that it is up to DM interpretation.
Grease is typically not flammable. The object. IRL. typical, isn't flammable.
So if that's the entirely of your argument, you're, like, just wrong.
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Rules as Written - The substance created by the Grease spell cannot be set alight.
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I already said such earlier, but in fact RAW is silent on it. It does not say you can not set grease on fire. Fireball says it sets flammable objects on fire. And I kind of assume they are using the more common use term of flammable of something that sets fire easily and not a scientific term at X temps it can set something afire. Saying grease cannot be set alight is RAW is like saying you cannot break a chair because chairs are not in the game. Sure there are guidelines for breaking small objects and you could use that, but the chair is not stated out. Just like there are guidelines that things can be set alight, but grease is silent on it.
You literally can not run a RAW game, RAW does not and can not cover everything. It is a loose framework in place that is there to help DMs make judgement calls. Do I think the intended rule based on how the sage has made calls is that the spell cannot be set alight, sure. But SAGE advice really in the end is just a DM call.
The spell does exactly what it says it does, and nothing more. It crease a magical slippery substance. There's no reason to believe that it's flammable.
But, since that seems up to dispute: https://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/31997/is-bearing-grease-flammable
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Grease, IRL, is not easy to set alight. You have to heat it up to high temperature first.
If it is a multistep process to get it to light on fire, it definitely doesn't qualify as flammable.
A number of people have pointed this out now, too. Grease just isn't as flammable as you think it is.
Edit: a good laymans way to tell the difference between something combustible vs something flammable. Can you use it to start a campfire vs does it burn if you add it to an already established campfire. If you tried to throw sparks at a pile of room temp grease you're never going to get a campfire started. But be extremly careful adding grease to an already established campfire because OMG is that stuff going to burn.
Edit2: The reason for the difference is time. Combustible materials need time exposed to the flame to heat up a lot. Eventually when they're heated up enough they can burn. But flammable stuff is ready to burn straight away if you give them even split second contact with fire.
I got quotes!
A number of people have been wrong. You are using the scientific terms for flammable instead of the general use term. You and the others refusing to accept that does not make it wrong. The question isn't does it set alight at 140 degrees or something but if you shoot it with a firebolt, a fireball, intentionally set flame to it with a torch does it set alight. And yes given the various grease fires I have seen open fire will set it alight. That is what flammable will mean in context to its words general use and in a game like D&D. This game is based on natural language not did you take high school chem.
Uh, I clearly went into laymans terms about the distiction between flammable and combustible. I'm not resting my arguement on any specific temperature threshold definition like you keep claiming. Wrongly.
And it is a pretty well known distinction for a lot of people, like... quite a lot of people, who have nothing to do with science. It isn't a "scientific" definition so much as just the legal one used by regulatory bodies for classification of materials.
See my example. Re: start a campfire vs add to a campfire.
Plenty of greases will burn if you add them to a campfire. Sure. So will a solid block of oak. Even a freshly chopped one if you give it long enough.
But you wouldn't use them to "start" a campfire. Because they're not flammable enough.
That's a pretty good threshold between flammable vs combustible. Not super technical either. Relies on basic common sense.
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It literally isn't. The term flammable only appears in spells as far as I am aware, and I have to think it is there for a reason. If you base flammable off of the requirements off grease in the real world and say it is not flammable, then virtually nothing is flammable and noting that spells set flammable objects on fire is virtually pointless as the players will not encounter it outside of traps set by the DM where they have some highly flammable gas in the air or maybe dry leaves or something. It wont set alight books, furniture, homes etc. As those require quite a bit of heat and direct fire to set alight. Maybe open paper being 451 for setting afire as opposed to a flash point of 600ish for greases. But that is a pretty narrow band to wrap flammable around, they only meant paper scrolls when talking about spells that ignite flammable objects.
I am fine with not the grease spell as its magic grease or whatever, I think that is the intent. As 5e as pushed by the SAGE on how the rules are intended seems to be the don't use magic creatively edition. edit to add, Though I will add, he usually also makes a comment that in his game he'd allow that stuff. Just that, its not how the rule is meant. Which given organized play etc i get. Not like, but get. I'd much rather have weaker spells that interact with the world in creative ways than over powered spells that only work in the narrow confines of how the spell is described, but so be it. But if you narrow flammable down to how say cooking oils work and say that is not flammable enough, then virtually nothing is flammable for those spells and somehow I don't think that is the intent.