I use alignment quite a bit for my monsters in their behaviors. I use the search functionality quite a bit to pick the monster group based again on their alignment to see who would work best with what I'm setting up. With WotC stance on removing alignment from the game, if they decide to update all monster manuals to remove alignment for *reasons* will you allow versioning where if you bought the monster manuals with full content you can keep your full content monster manuals or are you going to only offer the redacted monster manual? One of the main advantages of D&D is search and if alignment is removed from the monster manuals, well it makes building encounters a bit harder and its becomes a lot harder to justify giving you money. I specifically did not buy Van Richtoven's guide specifically due to that redaction on the monsters listed there. If I need to go back to 4E and earlier content to get the full monster, I'd rather build them out for my liking than use a redacted and limited version put out in 5E.
Are you actively working on versioning now? If not, are you going to review versioning to allow players to at least use the versions of the manuals they bought at that time?
I need to know for my future subscription and online play if I need to go to other tools that will allow it.
I use alignment quite a bit for my monsters in their behaviors. I use the search functionality quite a bit to pick the monster group based again on their alignment to see who would work best with what I'm setting up. With WotC stance on removing alignment from the game, if they decide to update all monster manuals to remove alignment for *reasons* will you allow versioning where if you bought the monster with full content you can keep your full content monster manual or are you going to only offer the redacted monster manual? One of the main advantages of D&D is search and if alignment is removed, well it makes building encounters a bit harder and its becomes a lot harder to justify giving you money.
Are you actively working on versioning now? If not, are you going to review versioning to allow players to at least use the versions of the manuals they bought at that time?
I need to know for my future subscription and online play if I need to go to other tools that will allow it.
thanks.
D&D Beyond has always used the most recent versions or errata that have been officially released. If a Monster Manual were to be released that removed all alignments from statblocks, D&D Beyond would have to comply as their license is to represent the most current version of the WoTC 5th edition product.
The thing is, you don't own a specific version. Your purchase is of the license to use the most current iteration of the product. That's why digital licenses can be tricky. If this doesn't suit your needs, then yes, you'd have to look elsewhere.
I use alignment quite a bit for my monsters in their behaviors. I use the search functionality quite a bit to pick the monster group based again on their alignment to see who would work best with what I'm setting up. With WotC stance on removing alignment from the game, if they decide to update all monster manuals to remove alignment for *reasons* will you allow versioning where if you bought the monster with full content you can keep your full content monster manual or are you going to only offer the redacted monster manual? One of the main advantages of D&D is search and if alignment is removed, well it makes building encounters a bit harder and its becomes a lot harder to justify giving you money.
Are you actively working on versioning now? If not, are you going to review versioning to allow players to at least use the versions of the manuals they bought at that time?
I need to know for my future subscription and online play if I need to go to other tools that will allow it.
thanks.
D&D Beyond has always used the most recent versions or errata that have been officially released. If a Monster Manual were to be released that removed all alignments from statblocks, D&D Beyond would have to comply as their license is to represent the most current version of the WoTC 5th edition product.
The thing is, you don't own a specific version. Your purchase is of the license to use the most current iteration of the product. That's why digital licenses can be tricky. If this doesn't suit your needs, then yes, you'd have to look elsewhere.
Thank you for your opinion. I'm looking for a reply from D&D Beyond staff, not a rando like myself.
When the changes were made to Orcs and Kobolds to remove the negative ability scores, the same was done.
>D&D Beyond remain committed to ensuring that the latest errata and updates are applied to content.
That doesn't mean they can't do versioning. I'm asking D&D Beyond Staff specifically if they are looking at doing versioning, if not they will lose some subscribers.
What we have now is a move more towards a 5.5E post Mearl's content which can be good for some, but I'm good with 5E. I got burned on Tasha's and started reading reviews before buying new WotC content and its just bad in my opinion. I've moved my dollars to 3rd party vendors for content for my campaigns since then. There are other whales that probably doing the same. I own everything from D&D Beyond up to Tasha's, I haven't bought a thing since Tasha's with the 5.5E push.
My question is directed towards D&D Beyond staff and if they have versioning capability or working on it to maintain what is essentially their 5E user base. Its too bad they aren't putting in Kobold Press, Goodman Games, Troll Lord Games or Frog God Games, I'd love to have my digital content from there here as well.
When the changes were made to Orcs and Kobolds to remove the negative ability scores, the same was done.
>D&D Beyond remain committed to ensuring that the latest errata and updates are applied to content.
That doesn't mean they can't do versioning. I'm asking D&D Beyond Staff specifically if they are looking at doing versioning, if not they will lose some subscribers.
What we have now is a move more towards a 5.5E post Mearl's content which can be good for some, but I'm good with 5E. I got burned on Tasha's and started reading reviews before buying new WotC content and its just bad in my opinion. I've moved my dollars to 3rd party vendors for content for my campaigns since then. There are other whales that probably doing the same. I own everything from D&D Beyond up to Tasha's, I haven't bought a thing since Tasha's with the 5.5E push.
My question is directed towards D&D Beyond staff and if they have versioning capability or working on it to maintain what is essentially their 5E user base. Its too bad they aren't putting in Kobold Press, Goodman Games, Troll Lord Games or Frog God Games, I'd love to have my digital content from there here as well.
While I respect the fact that you want an official red text staff member to answer and hammer the point home, it sounds like you already know the answer and have decided what to do with your dollars. Which is fine, that is your right as a consumer.
That being said, what you are asking for is already not being done, and content that was was released pre-Tasha has been altered post-Tasha.
I can confirm that whenever Wizards of the Coast issue errata for content, we will always update that content to match the errata.
There is no versioning, as there is only the correct, up-to-date version of the content, as published.
This is, in my opinion, a great reason to own content on D&D Beyond - never having to worry about whether your book has the most recent wording or rules, as we take care of that for you! 😊
Tasha's content for the character changes are under Optional Features, they are not fully integrated. You have to opt in for them to be taken. I'm not sure where you are going with this, but I'd like to keep this thread directed towards versioning and not your opinion that no D&D Beyond can't do it. They already do versioning quite a bit in character creation for opt ins. I'm just checking if they'd give you an alignment toggle for your character account if WotC decides to remove alignment from monsters in the future.
This is a new feature request thread, not reasons why in your opinion D&D Beyond can't listen to end user feed back and bring it up to the product manager as a possible feature request. We are in a market based system and I'd like to give D&D Beyond my money as would a lot of other players and this is literally a toggle switch request in case WotC goes the way I believe they are going.
Portential, tl:dr D&D Beyond is required to reflect official D&D "in the present."
Your argument presumes Tasha's overwrites the PHB. It doesn't which is why there's the toggle. Tasha's is a toggle feature not because of "versioning" but because Tasha's presents options for players, options which a player with the present version of the PHB do not have access to. It doesn't work to your argument because it's not versioning that actually changes a text.
I don't work for D&D Beyond but I am a consumer more informed of its product history than you. That's not an effort to denigrate you, nor was Spideycloned's attempt to explain community member to community member. Both are perspectives that will be more generous with their time filling you in on question that's been asked before than the DDB Customer Service side of things which seems to me to rely/appreciate/lean on community members helping other community members with DDB on deep background. I also have a teaching background so I guess I'm a patient person by nature.
Given that background, rather than Tasha's, which doesn't support your desire for versioning access for the reasons I've already touched on, I can point to the changes in character races that occurred with Volo's Guide to Monsters regarding negative stat modifiers. When Volo's was first printed, and published on DDB, Kobolds had a Dex +2 Str -2. After WotC opted to remove negative ability mods from all player races (most of whom appeared in the Monstrous Adventurers section of Volo's, DDB's Volo's and character generator now reflect Kobolds receiving just the Dex +2. (Interestingly, the physical copy of Volo's I own, I bought well after the WotC/DDB change but the physical text still contains the negative mod - because WotC did not pulp the prior printing so the physical books in the physical marketplace won't completely reflect the changes until the prior printings have been completely sold through the distributor/retailer system, and that's probably at least a few warehouse pallets if not warehouses because Amazon and whatever Hasbro uses as a distribution apparatus to other retailers). There is no "old version" toggle for Volo's, because DDB's terms with WotC require them to maintain the present official rules. Retro rules aren't the present rules. It's that plain and simple. The same goes for non mechanical explanation. I believe there used to be text in one of the books stating Forgotten Realms lore that the souls of "nonbelievers" or at least not worshipping mortals wound up on "the wall of the Faithless" a sort of metaphysical barrier preventing arrival to the afterlife. This is no longer part of that text and there's not "version" toggle to restore it, because it's no longer reflective of WotC's official lore. More significant edits were done to the Curse of Strahd adventure, you can't access a DDB version restoring earlier characterizations of the Vistani that prompted objections on the grounds of cultural insensitivity. So, as Stormknight explains in their iteration of DDB policy, it would follow suit that if alignment were removed from the Monster Manual, or particular monsters in the Monster Manual (I could see this happening _maybe_ with the Drow since WotC is definitely going in the "not all Drow" all hands in its Summer of Drizzt and "revelation" that there are at least two other Drow Cultures on Faerun besides the one Lloth has a hold on in Menzobarren, on the other hand I could see like Tasha's, these expanded Drow appearing in another product at some point and the MM being largely left alone until future edition or reconciliation of the present rules -- neither of which I personally see happening till 2024 the earliest but I digress).
You may not like DDB's policy. You're not the only person who's asked "what happens if Wizards changes my books?" As someone who has a passing interest in editorial history, I too would like from an amateur historian perspective the ability to see changes in text, though my Legendary ownership and contain. But that's not DDB policy, and I'm guessing that policy is predicated on license agreement. I say that because I'm pretty sure the other two vendors of D&D digital editions are similar bound to publish and maintain only the present rules. I also don't believe the lack of version access has impacted DDB's business to the degree your stance speculates. Otherwise, this would be something DDB and the other vendors would likely be contending with WotC and frankly there'd be more agitation in this and other player community spaces for it.
I use alignment quite a bit for my monsters in their behaviors. I use the search functionality quite a bit to pick the monster group based again on their alignment to see who would work best with what I'm setting up. With WotC stance on removing alignment from the game, if they decide to update all monster manuals to remove alignment for *reasons* will you allow versioning where if you bought the monster manuals with full content you can keep your full content monster manuals or are you going to only offer the redacted monster manual? One of the main advantages of D&D is search and if alignment is removed from the monster manuals, well it makes building encounters a bit harder and its becomes a lot harder to justify giving you money. I specifically did not buy Van Richtoven's guide specifically due to that redaction on the monsters listed there. If I need to go back to 4E and earlier content to get the full monster, I'd rather build them out for my liking than use a redacted and limited version put out in 5E.
Are you actively working on versioning now? If not, are you going to review versioning to allow players to at least use the versions of the manuals they bought at that time?
I need to know for my future subscription and online play if I need to go to other tools that will allow it.
thanks.
D&D Beyond has always used the most recent versions or errata that have been officially released. If a Monster Manual were to be released that removed all alignments from statblocks, D&D Beyond would have to comply as their license is to represent the most current version of the WoTC 5th edition product.
The thing is, you don't own a specific version. Your purchase is of the license to use the most current iteration of the product. That's why digital licenses can be tricky. If this doesn't suit your needs, then yes, you'd have to look elsewhere.
Thank you for your opinion. I'm looking for a reply from D&D Beyond staff, not a rando like myself.
It's not an opinion.
https://www.dndbeyond.com/forums/d-d-beyond-general/news-announcements/87686-november-2020-errata-changes-on-d-d-beyond
This is just one example. When the Bladesinger changes were made via Tashas, it was made to all content, regardless if you own Tashas or not.
https://www.dndbeyond.com/forums/dungeons-dragons-discussion/rules-game-mechanics/84086-october-2020-errata-changes-on-d-d-beyond
When the changes were made to Orcs and Kobolds to remove the negative ability scores, the same was done.
https://www.dndbeyond.com/forums/dungeons-dragons-discussion/rules-game-mechanics/8760-official-wizards-of-the-coast-errata
A comprehensive list.
>D&D Beyond remain committed to ensuring that the latest errata and updates are applied to content.
That doesn't mean they can't do versioning. I'm asking D&D Beyond Staff specifically if they are looking at doing versioning, if not they will lose some subscribers.
What we have now is a move more towards a 5.5E post Mearl's content which can be good for some, but I'm good with 5E. I got burned on Tasha's and started reading reviews before buying new WotC content and its just bad in my opinion. I've moved my dollars to 3rd party vendors for content for my campaigns since then. There are other whales that probably doing the same. I own everything from D&D Beyond up to Tasha's, I haven't bought a thing since Tasha's with the 5.5E push.
My question is directed towards D&D Beyond staff and if they have versioning capability or working on it to maintain what is essentially their 5E user base. Its too bad they aren't putting in Kobold Press, Goodman Games, Troll Lord Games or Frog God Games, I'd love to have my digital content from there here as well.
While I respect the fact that you want an official red text staff member to answer and hammer the point home, it sounds like you already know the answer and have decided what to do with your dollars. Which is fine, that is your right as a consumer.
That being said, what you are asking for is already not being done, and content that was was released pre-Tasha has been altered post-Tasha.
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There is no versioning, as there is only the correct, up-to-date version of the content, as published.
This is, in my opinion, a great reason to own content on D&D Beyond - never having to worry about whether your book has the most recent wording or rules, as we take care of that for you! 😊
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Tasha's content for the character changes are under Optional Features, they are not fully integrated. You have to opt in for them to be taken. I'm not sure where you are going with this, but I'd like to keep this thread directed towards versioning and not your opinion that no D&D Beyond can't do it. They already do versioning quite a bit in character creation for opt ins. I'm just checking if they'd give you an alignment toggle for your character account if WotC decides to remove alignment from monsters in the future.
This is a new feature request thread, not reasons why in your opinion D&D Beyond can't listen to end user feed back and bring it up to the product manager as a possible feature request. We are in a market based system and I'd like to give D&D Beyond my money as would a lot of other players and this is literally a toggle switch request in case WotC goes the way I believe they are going.
Portential, tl:dr D&D Beyond is required to reflect official D&D "in the present."
Your argument presumes Tasha's overwrites the PHB. It doesn't which is why there's the toggle. Tasha's is a toggle feature not because of "versioning" but because Tasha's presents options for players, options which a player with the present version of the PHB do not have access to. It doesn't work to your argument because it's not versioning that actually changes a text.
I don't work for D&D Beyond but I am a consumer more informed of its product history than you. That's not an effort to denigrate you, nor was Spideycloned's attempt to explain community member to community member. Both are perspectives that will be more generous with their time filling you in on question that's been asked before than the DDB Customer Service side of things which seems to me to rely/appreciate/lean on community members helping other community members with DDB on deep background. I also have a teaching background so I guess I'm a patient person by nature.
Given that background, rather than Tasha's, which doesn't support your desire for versioning access for the reasons I've already touched on, I can point to the changes in character races that occurred with Volo's Guide to Monsters regarding negative stat modifiers. When Volo's was first printed, and published on DDB, Kobolds had a Dex +2 Str -2. After WotC opted to remove negative ability mods from all player races (most of whom appeared in the Monstrous Adventurers section of Volo's, DDB's Volo's and character generator now reflect Kobolds receiving just the Dex +2. (Interestingly, the physical copy of Volo's I own, I bought well after the WotC/DDB change but the physical text still contains the negative mod - because WotC did not pulp the prior printing so the physical books in the physical marketplace won't completely reflect the changes until the prior printings have been completely sold through the distributor/retailer system, and that's probably at least a few warehouse pallets if not warehouses because Amazon and whatever Hasbro uses as a distribution apparatus to other retailers). There is no "old version" toggle for Volo's, because DDB's terms with WotC require them to maintain the present official rules. Retro rules aren't the present rules. It's that plain and simple. The same goes for non mechanical explanation. I believe there used to be text in one of the books stating Forgotten Realms lore that the souls of "nonbelievers" or at least not worshipping mortals wound up on "the wall of the Faithless" a sort of metaphysical barrier preventing arrival to the afterlife. This is no longer part of that text and there's not "version" toggle to restore it, because it's no longer reflective of WotC's official lore. More significant edits were done to the Curse of Strahd adventure, you can't access a DDB version restoring earlier characterizations of the Vistani that prompted objections on the grounds of cultural insensitivity. So, as Stormknight explains in their iteration of DDB policy, it would follow suit that if alignment were removed from the Monster Manual, or particular monsters in the Monster Manual (I could see this happening _maybe_ with the Drow since WotC is definitely going in the "not all Drow" all hands in its Summer of Drizzt and "revelation" that there are at least two other Drow Cultures on Faerun besides the one Lloth has a hold on in Menzobarren, on the other hand I could see like Tasha's, these expanded Drow appearing in another product at some point and the MM being largely left alone until future edition or reconciliation of the present rules -- neither of which I personally see happening till 2024 the earliest but I digress).
You may not like DDB's policy. You're not the only person who's asked "what happens if Wizards changes my books?" As someone who has a passing interest in editorial history, I too would like from an amateur historian perspective the ability to see changes in text, though my Legendary ownership and contain. But that's not DDB policy, and I'm guessing that policy is predicated on license agreement. I say that because I'm pretty sure the other two vendors of D&D digital editions are similar bound to publish and maintain only the present rules. I also don't believe the lack of version access has impacted DDB's business to the degree your stance speculates. Otherwise, this would be something DDB and the other vendors would likely be contending with WotC and frankly there'd be more agitation in this and other player community spaces for it.
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