What about people like me that bought 90% of a book's features except for a single race, and now you want that race from the book after all...
$30 for a single race? You've got to be joking right?
What do I do? What can I do?
Either I can never experience said race on DnDBeyond or I pay $30 on it despite having paid 90% of that $30 before?
At the very least... the very least... they should have previous á la carte purchases their prices be subtracted from the book's full price... this is outrageous!
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https://www.dndbeyond.com/posts/1709-d-d-beyond-marketplace-redesign-see-whats-new-here Can I still purchase subclasses, feats, and other game listings à la carte? À la carte purchases are no longer supported. However, any individual items you've previously purchased will continue to be available for use on D&D Beyond. If you've purchased à la carte items and would like to buy the digital book, your discounts are available to you at any time by contacting customer service.
What about people like me that bought 90% of a book's features except for a single race, and now you want that race from the book after all...
$30 for a single race? You've got to be joking right?
What do I do? What can I do?
Either I can never experience said race on DnDBeyond or I pay $30 on it despite having paid 90% of that $30 before?
At the very least... the very least... they should have previous á la carte purchases their prices be subtracted from the book's full price... this is outrageous!
I have highlighted the answer in red in the very first post.
https://www.dndbeyond.com/posts/1709-d-d-beyond-marketplace-redesign-see-whats-new-here Can I still purchase subclasses, feats, and other game listings à la carte? À la carte purchases are no longer supported. However, any individual items you've previously purchased will continue to be available for use on D&D Beyond. If you've purchased à la carte items and would like to buy the digital book, your discounts are available to you at any time by contacting customer service.
It still seems really scummy to require customers to jump through that extra hoop to avoid paying a second time for content they already own. Why isn't that applied automatically?
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Unhappy that the market got rid of individual purchases for one-off subclasses, magic items, and monsters?
It still seems really scummy to require customers to jump through that extra hoop to avoid paying a second time for content they already own. Why isn't that applied automatically?
It would be nice if they made it automatic like before, but they did not and nobody really knows why. They still have not given us an answer on why they got rid of individual purchases in the first place.
If you want answers, do not expect any to be given, because the higher ups who made that decision are refusing to communicate.
I got response from Support... They say that apparently I didn't make any á la carte purchases from the book in question: Guildmaster's Guide to Ravnica, so no discount.
But this confuses me very much as I do have access already to the Spores druid and Order Domain cleric subclasses... I also, albeit the MoM versions (which made a lot of older versions of races legacy I believe?), have access to Minotaur, Centaur and Goblins, just not Loxodons and Veldaken.
So ok, maybe I haven't made á la carte purchases for this book specifically, but I do own 5/7 of the arguably 'main' features of this book... 71%, yet I am asked to pay 100%....
$30 for two races (Loxodons I wouldn't likely use anyways).
I got response from Support... They say that apparently I didn't make any á la carte purchases from the book in question: Guildmaster's Guide to Ravnica, so no discount.
But this confuses me very much as I do have access already to the Spores druid and Order Domain cleric subclasses... I also, albeit the MoM versions (which made a lot of older versions of races legacy I believe?), have access to Minotaur, Centaur and Goblins, just not Loxodons and Veldaken.
The subclasses are in Tasha's
So ok, maybe I haven't made á la carte purchases for this book specifically, but I do own 5/7 of the arguably 'main' features of this book... 71%, yet I am asked to pay 100%....
The main feature of the book is the setting. If that doesn't interest you, then yeah, it's not worth it, and you shouldn't buy it. If you really want the species, you'll have to homebrew them.
I got response from Support... They say that apparently I didn't make any á la carte purchases from the book in question: Guildmaster's Guide to Ravnica, so no discount.
But this confuses me very much as I do have access already to the Spores druid and Order Domain cleric subclasses... I also, albeit the MoM versions (which made a lot of older versions of races legacy I believe?), have access to Minotaur, Centaur and Goblins, just not Loxodons and Veldaken.
The subclasses are in Tasha's
That's quite frankly bad practice too imo, selling the same exact features in different full price books...
Well that is, without having an á la carte option to pick and choose...
I got response from Support... They say that apparently I didn't make any á la carte purchases from the book in question: Guildmaster's Guide to Ravnica, so no discount.
But this confuses me very much as I do have access already to the Spores druid and Order Domain cleric subclasses... I also, albeit the MoM versions (which made a lot of older versions of races legacy I believe?), have access to Minotaur, Centaur and Goblins, just not Loxodons and Veldaken.
The subclasses are in Tasha's
That's quite frankly bad practice too imo, selling the same exact features in different full price books...
Well that is, without having an á la carte option to pick and choose...
It makes a lot of sense if you consider that their business is built around selling books. Very few people are going to buy Ravinica for $50 just because they want a tiny handful of player options. The expectation is that people buy it because they want Ravinica. So it makes sense to publish a setting-neutral book every once in a while that includes the good player options from setting books, along with plenty of new stuff. Because almost nobody wants all those setting books.
Piecemeal buying was a DDB-only exception, not the norm. And, while handy, it does seem to have created an expectation in some people's minds that they need to have all the character options. And they don't. Most people will never use any given option. They go into setting books because they are thematic for that setting, which increases the chances that players in that setting will want to use it. Why own Loxodons when they probably don't exist in any given game world?
It makes a lot of sense if you consider that their business is built around selling books. Very few people are going to buy Ravinica for $50 just because they want a tiny handful of player options. The expectation is that people buy it because they want Ravinica. So it makes sense to publish a setting-neutral book every once in a while that includes the good player options from setting books, along with plenty of new stuff. Because almost nobody wants all those setting books.
Piecemeal buying was a DDB-only exception, not the norm. And, while handy, it does seem to have created an expectation in some people's minds that they need to have all the character options. And they don't. Most people will never use any given option. They go into setting books because they are thematic for that setting, which increases the chances that players in that setting will want to use it. Why own Loxodons when they probably don't exist in any given game world?
Sure, we don't need all character options... but there are definitely some that I want and am willing to pay for in books that I otherwise don't care about. I'm happy to pay $1.99 for a subclass or a race... I am NOT happy to pay $30 for a book that I really don't care about because of that same one subclass or race because it's in a book that I don't care about! Wizards isn't getting my 30 bucks... they're losing my smaller purchases. I just cannot wrap my head around their thought process.
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Unhappy that the market got rid of individual purchases for one-off subclasses, magic items, and monsters?
It makes a lot of sense if you consider that their business is built around selling books. Very few people are going to buy Ravinica for $50 just because they want a tiny handful of player options. The expectation is that people buy it because they want Ravinica. So it makes sense to publish a setting-neutral book every once in a while that includes the good player options from setting books, along with plenty of new stuff. Because almost nobody wants all those setting books.
Piecemeal buying was a DDB-only exception, not the norm. And, while handy, it does seem to have created an expectation in some people's minds that they need to have all the character options. And they don't. Most people will never use any given option. They go into setting books because they are thematic for that setting, which increases the chances that players in that setting will want to use it. Why own Loxodons when they probably don't exist in any given game world?
Sure, we don't need all character options... but there are definitely some that I want and am willing to pay for in books that I otherwise don't care about. I'm happy to pay $1.99 for a subclass or a race... I am NOT happy to pay $30 for a book that I really don't care about because of that same one subclass or race because it's in a book that I don't care about! Wizards isn't getting my 30 bucks... they're losing my smaller purchases.
That's why they republish them in books like Tasha's, which the person I was responding was complaining about.
I just cannot wrap my head around their thought process.
I'm still pretty sure it was "the amount of money in this makes it not worth reimplementing piecemeal in the new marketplace". I don't think they expect any significant number of people to buy full books instead of one player option -- people who were likely to do that were already buying the whole books. I think it was either "the off-the-shelf marketplace package we're using can't do this", or "we can do this, but it'll cost $medium-large and delay rollout at least two months", and the delay may have been more important than anything else, because the new books are coming, and they wanted physical-digital bundles ready for that. (This does not mean that I expect it to come back given time.)
A bundle of all of the usable information without all of the fluff players don’t need, sold in different categories like items, backgrounds, races, etc? Personally I’m playing with what I’ve already purchased from here on out, done giving DnDb any more of my money, but I do think something like player bundles could lure me back.
A bundle of all of the usable information without all of the fluff players don’t need, sold in different categories like items, backgrounds, races, etc? Personally I’m playing with what I’ve already purchased from here on out, done giving DnDb any more of my money, but I do think something like player bundles could lure
A bundle of all of the usable information without all of the fluff players don’t need, sold in different categories like items, backgrounds, races, etc? Personally I’m playing with what I’ve already purchased from here on out, done giving DnDb any more of my money, but I do think something like player bundles could lure me back.
Player bundles would definitely be an improvement over the absolute crap we have right now... I'd still miss piecemeal as we originally knew it, though.
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Unhappy that the market got rid of individual purchases for one-off subclasses, magic items, and monsters?
Player bundles would definitely be an improvement over the absolute crap we have right now... I'd still miss piecemeal as we originally knew it, though.
yes it is tougher but when i bought a lot of things it sometimes was cheaper to just buy the whole book
Player bundles would definitely be an improvement over the absolute crap we have right now... I'd still miss piecemeal as we originally knew it, though.
yes it is tougher but when i bought a lot of things it sometimes was cheaper to just buy the whole book
True... but that's the thing people (including me) are mad about: I don't always want to buy a lot of things. Sometimes it's just one or two things and it isn't worth buying an entire book for.
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Unhappy that the market got rid of individual purchases for one-off subclasses, magic items, and monsters?
I would have thought, just having three bundles per book would be enough:
- Player content(class abilities, spells etc)
- DM Content (items and monsters)
- Compendium content.
Then price them at a point in which it would be daft *not* to buy the full book if you were buying two or more. (obviously depending on the split per book. I'd imagine the values would be skewed for certain products like the monster manual, etc).
Would much prefer the old system, but I could appreciate the middle ground concession, if nothing else.
A bundle of all of the usable information without all of the fluff players don’t need, sold in different categories like items, backgrounds, races, etc? Personally I’m playing with what I’ve already purchased from here on out, done giving DnDb any more of my money, but I do think something like player bundles could lure me back.
I'd be totally open to this! Complete piecemeal would obviously be my enormous preference, but I'd still prefer this over buying an entire book of material I don't want/need.
I'd advocate for bundles like those @DnGaF has laid out (over the more general "player" vs. "DM" content model) and would be happy to purchase a bundle even up to $10 or so. To @Robzilla0088's point, if you're buying three or four of those, it would still make sense for some to buy a compendium.
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It still seems really scummy to require customers to jump through that extra hoop to avoid paying a second time for content they already own. Why isn't that applied automatically?
Unhappy that the market got rid of individual purchases for one-off subclasses, magic items, and monsters?
Provide feedback!
It would be nice if they made it automatic like before, but they did not and nobody really knows why. They still have not given us an answer on why they got rid of individual purchases in the first place.
If you want answers, do not expect any to be given, because the higher ups who made that decision are refusing to communicate.
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I got response from Support... They say that apparently I didn't make any á la carte purchases from the book in question: Guildmaster's Guide to Ravnica, so no discount.
But this confuses me very much as I do have access already to the Spores druid and Order Domain cleric subclasses... I also, albeit the MoM versions (which made a lot of older versions of races legacy I believe?), have access to Minotaur, Centaur and Goblins, just not Loxodons and Veldaken.
So ok, maybe I haven't made á la carte purchases for this book specifically, but I do own 5/7 of the arguably 'main' features of this book... 71%, yet I am asked to pay 100%....
$30 for two races (Loxodons I wouldn't likely use anyways).
The subclasses are in Tasha's
The main feature of the book is the setting. If that doesn't interest you, then yeah, it's not worth it, and you shouldn't buy it. If you really want the species, you'll have to homebrew them.
That's quite frankly bad practice too imo, selling the same exact features in different full price books...
Well that is, without having an á la carte option to pick and choose...
It makes a lot of sense if you consider that their business is built around selling books. Very few people are going to buy Ravinica for $50 just because they want a tiny handful of player options. The expectation is that people buy it because they want Ravinica. So it makes sense to publish a setting-neutral book every once in a while that includes the good player options from setting books, along with plenty of new stuff. Because almost nobody wants all those setting books.
Piecemeal buying was a DDB-only exception, not the norm. And, while handy, it does seem to have created an expectation in some people's minds that they need to have all the character options. And they don't. Most people will never use any given option. They go into setting books because they are thematic for that setting, which increases the chances that players in that setting will want to use it. Why own Loxodons when they probably don't exist in any given game world?
I can see nothing has changed. I was half hoping they would reverse this frankly idiotic decision.
It's just going to cause people to find alternative methods in finding what they want.
Sure, we don't need all character options... but there are definitely some that I want and am willing to pay for in books that I otherwise don't care about. I'm happy to pay $1.99 for a subclass or a race... I am NOT happy to pay $30 for a book that I really don't care about because of that same one subclass or race because it's in a book that I don't care about! Wizards isn't getting my 30 bucks... they're losing my smaller purchases. I just cannot wrap my head around their thought process.
Unhappy that the market got rid of individual purchases for one-off subclasses, magic items, and monsters?
Provide feedback!
I have the feeling the thought process is, "I want another boat this year".
Well, I hate to break it to them, but I don't think that it's going to pan out how they think it will...
Unhappy that the market got rid of individual purchases for one-off subclasses, magic items, and monsters?
Provide feedback!
That's why they republish them in books like Tasha's, which the person I was responding was complaining about.
I'm still pretty sure it was "the amount of money in this makes it not worth reimplementing piecemeal in the new marketplace". I don't think they expect any significant number of people to buy full books instead of one player option -- people who were likely to do that were already buying the whole books. I think it was either "the off-the-shelf marketplace package we're using can't do this", or "we can do this, but it'll cost $medium-large and delay rollout at least two months", and the delay may have been more important than anything else, because the new books are coming, and they wanted physical-digital bundles ready for that. (This does not mean that I expect it to come back given time.)
Been away from this thread for a minute. I bought my preorders for the 2024 rules alt covers at my FLGS but don't expect me to buy more off this site!
Don't ever let this thread die.
Who would be cool with player bundle options?
A bundle of all of the usable information without all of the fluff players don’t need, sold in different categories like items, backgrounds, races, etc?
Personally I’m playing with what I’ve already purchased from here on out, done giving DnDb any more of my money, but I do think something like player bundles could lure me back.
It would be something at least.
Player bundles would definitely be an improvement over the absolute crap we have right now... I'd still miss piecemeal as we originally knew it, though.
Unhappy that the market got rid of individual purchases for one-off subclasses, magic items, and monsters?
Provide feedback!
yes it is tougher but when i bought a lot of things it sometimes was cheaper to just buy the whole book
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True... but that's the thing people (including me) are mad about: I don't always want to buy a lot of things. Sometimes it's just one or two things and it isn't worth buying an entire book for.
Unhappy that the market got rid of individual purchases for one-off subclasses, magic items, and monsters?
Provide feedback!
I would have thought, just having three bundles per book would be enough:
- Player content(class abilities, spells etc)
- DM Content (items and monsters)
- Compendium content.
Then price them at a point in which it would be daft *not* to buy the full book if you were buying two or more. (obviously depending on the split per book. I'd imagine the values would be skewed for certain products like the monster manual, etc).
Would much prefer the old system, but I could appreciate the middle ground concession, if nothing else.
I'd be totally open to this! Complete piecemeal would obviously be my enormous preference, but I'd still prefer this over buying an entire book of material I don't want/need.
I'd advocate for bundles like those @DnGaF has laid out (over the more general "player" vs. "DM" content model) and would be happy to purchase a bundle even up to $10 or so. To @Robzilla0088's point, if you're buying three or four of those, it would still make sense for some to buy a compendium.