Exactly what it says on the tin. Who is to blame for the current OGL situation? Is it Hasbro? Higher ups at WotC who have nothing to do with the creation of D&D content? Or the names and faces we are familiar with?
We need a name to know who to demand a resignation from. The individual behind this initiative is obviously hostile to the fans and consumers. Such an individual is an obviously unfit custodian of the property
For the current situation, I would place the blame:
First: Gizmodo, for their bad journalism on the subject, using misleading quotes from the attorney they consulted (the clear language they reference indicates the attorney said more than they choose to report), and for discussing a draft without also providing the key conceptual clues that would verify whether the information was of any actual use—or at the very least noting that they do not have that information and that means their own reporting falls short. After all, a draft is just a draft - unless you also know what stage of draft it might be (such as an initial draft, a hypothetical aggressive draft attorneys often drop, a final draft, etc.)
If they are going to play at being journalists, not just gamers reporting on games, they should display better journalistic ethics.
Second: Wizards, for not having a better handle on document security and for now having four business days without any tangible response, feeding the conspiracy theories and making it harder for a response to be accepted once received. Wizards could move to number one if this does turn out to be a real and final draft - but we don’t have enough information to actually put them in that position yet.
Third: The social media influencers who are peddling insufficient and incomplete information as if it were gospel truth.
Fourth: The players who are jumping to conclusions based on bad data and do not realise they’re engaging in pointless speculation based on a single and useless-without-context data point.
I've said this before in a separate thread, but I think this new OGL license was never meant to be used. They were just putting something so horrendously horrible out there that even if the next rendition of the OGL is still unfavorable, it looks a million times better than comparison.
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Exactly what it says on the tin. Who is to blame for the current OGL situation? Is it Hasbro? Higher ups at WotC who have nothing to do with the creation of D&D content? Or the names and faces we are familiar with?
WotC's. Hasbro tasks them with making more money. How they do that is up to WotC.
We need a name to know who to demand a resignation from. The individual behind this initiative is obviously hostile to the fans and consumers. Such an individual is an obviously unfit custodian of the property
WotC staff deserve a break. It's the shareholders, company directors, lawyers, and similar that are spreading the poison, which is instilled in them by the entirety of Western Society.
For the current situation, I would place the blame:
First: Gizmodo, for their bad journalism on the subject, using misleading quotes from the attorney they consulted (the clear language they reference indicates the attorney said more than they choose to report), and for discussing a draft without also providing the key conceptual clues that would verify whether the information was of any actual use—or at the very least noting that they do not have that information and that means their own reporting falls short. After all, a draft is just a draft - unless you also know what stage of draft it might be (such as an initial draft, a hypothetical aggressive draft attorneys often drop, a final draft, etc.)
If they are going to play at being journalists, not just gamers reporting on games, they should display better journalistic ethics.
Second: Wizards, for not having a better handle on document security and for now having four business days without any tangible response, feeding the conspiracy theories and making it harder for a response to be accepted once received. Wizards could move to number one if this does turn out to be a real and final draft - but we don’t have enough information to actually put them in that position yet.
Third: The social media influencers who are peddling insufficient and incomplete information as if it were gospel truth.
Fourth: The players who are jumping to conclusions based on bad data and do not realise they’re engaging in pointless speculation based on a single and useless-without-context data point.
All of this seems remarkably off base. Considering this “draft” was final enough to send out, with contracts and NDAs, I think we can put a little more on WOTC for this.
even, somehow, if this is a draft, why would they ever send a contract with it? I do not believe they are incompetent enough to do this.
why would a high ranking member of kickstarter confirm discussions were had around the %.
at this point this is as good as confirmed. Wizards silence has all but confirmed it. They would have nipped this in the bud if they could deny it legally but they know full well that no one would believe they sent out multiple contracts and agreements in error. Because again, the other alternative is crippling incompetence and I do not think they are that bad.
you keep mentioning context like we haven’t got it. The silence. The third parties. The document that is out there now. The original article. The businesses making very serious decisions off the back of this. Decisions that make direct competition to WOTC. And again. The silence. If this wasn’t true, the only reason to not resolve this would again be incompetence. So either this is a case of serious, continued failings, including their first post on this matter completely avoiding dealing with the problems. Or this is true and they are trying to spin this, change the OGL, or some other form of damage control.
we have context. We have enough. The only people at fault are WOTC and hasbro for burning the goodwill and causing irreparable harm to their brand.
For the current situation, I would place the blame:
Second: Wizards, for not having a better handle on document security and for now having four business days without any tangible response, feeding the conspiracy theories and making it harder for a response to be accepted once received. Wizards could move to number one if this does turn out to be a real and final draft - but we don’t have enough information to actually put them in that position yet.
this was a final draft as it was sent out with contracts and confirmed by Kickstarter. my speculation is it wasn't released of the 4th as intended because nobody signed the contracts they originally sent out with it and the NDA. Its out there and available for anyone to read its not speculation its not panic its justified outrage and WOTC is sitting quiet while Rome burns.
I've said this before in a separate thread, but I think this new OGL license was never meant to be used. They were just putting something so horrendously horrible out there that even if the next rendition of the OGL is still unfavorable, it looks a million times better than comparison.
Perhaps, but they sent it out to third-party producers, and even Kickstarter. One of Kickstarter's execs even said that what was leaked matches up with what KS received, which means they DID intend for this to be the legal 1.1. It's possible they're playing 3D chess here, but I doubt it. It's much more likely they really do intend for this outright evil 'open license' to be the real one moving forward. The fan/creator outrage and backlash might be (might) be getting them to reconsider, but I doubt they really expected more than token resistance.
I should like to add that the fact that a contract was attached really doesn't prove anything. Professionally as well as privately I've signed a bunch of contracts, and it's by no means unusual for several drafts to be bounced back and forth, before anything is signed. In particular, the only way for me to make any changes, amendmends or adjustments to a contract before signing, is if I see a draft first.
I'm not defending it or anything, just saying - the contract can be a draft just as well as the OGL.
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Blanket disclaimer: I only ever state opinion. But I can sound terribly dogmatic - so if you feel I'm trying to tell you what to think, I'm really not, I swear. I'm telling you what I think, that's all.
For the current situation, I would place the blame:
First: Gizmodo, for their bad journalism on the subject, using misleading quotes from the attorney they consulted (the clear language they reference indicates the attorney said more than they choose to report), and for discussing a draft without also providing the key conceptual clues that would verify whether the information was of any actual use—or at the very least noting that they do not have that information and that means their own reporting falls short. After all, a draft is just a draft - unless you also know what stage of draft it might be (such as an initial draft, a hypothetical aggressive draft attorneys often drop, a final draft, etc.)
If they are going to play at being journalists, not just gamers reporting on games, they should display better journalistic ethics.
Second: Wizards, for not having a better handle on document security and for now having four business days without any tangible response, feeding the conspiracy theories and making it harder for a response to be accepted once received. Wizards could move to number one if this does turn out to be a real and final draft - but we don’t have enough information to actually put them in that position yet.
Third: The social media influencers who are peddling insufficient and incomplete information as if it were gospel truth.
Fourth: The players who are jumping to conclusions based on bad data and do not realise they’re engaging in pointless speculation based on a single and useless-without-context data point.
Also it is astonishing how many 3rd party creators now announce a own game in the making.
I mean I would too, now that there is so much stirred up hate towards D&D.
What I really can´t get - people play it as if there were never any other systems or people doing their own.
At least in my friend group there are 3 people, wo wrote their own systems. Was never that rare nor will it ever be.
None the less: I hope the situation will end better than expected.
Exactly what it says on the tin. Who is to blame for the current OGL situation? Is it Hasbro? Higher ups at WotC who have nothing to do with the creation of D&D content? Or the names and faces we are familiar with?
Why not both?
Like hasbro is going to be looking for more and more profit from it's subdivisions as any large corporation would, and them likely noticing that the game has expierience a massive growth in popularity is likely contributing to this desire to see WotC get more money out of the hobby.
On the other hand, WotC is the group that are elbow deep in this turd pile since they're the ones who are trying to supplant a 23 year old agreement with something that comes across as a naked cash grab that offers nothing to the masses of players who have supported the hobby for decades.
So to my mind it's both of them; hasbro created the impetus for something like this while WotC have the actual blood on their hands.
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Exactly what it says on the tin. Who is to blame for the current OGL situation? Is it Hasbro? Higher ups at WotC who have nothing to do with the creation of D&D content? Or the names and faces we are familiar with?
Just a reminder that the current CEO of Hasbro was the former CEO of WOTC so I would say there's really not much of a difference at this point.
If I can't say something nice, I try to not say anything at all. So if I suddenly stop participating in a topic that's probably why.
We need a name to know who to demand a resignation from. The individual behind this initiative is obviously hostile to the fans and consumers. Such an individual is an obviously unfit custodian of the property
For the current situation, I would place the blame:
First: Gizmodo, for their bad journalism on the subject, using misleading quotes from the attorney they consulted (the clear language they reference indicates the attorney said more than they choose to report), and for discussing a draft without also providing the key conceptual clues that would verify whether the information was of any actual use—or at the very least noting that they do not have that information and that means their own reporting falls short. After all, a draft is just a draft - unless you also know what stage of draft it might be (such as an initial draft, a hypothetical aggressive draft attorneys often drop, a final draft, etc.)
If they are going to play at being journalists, not just gamers reporting on games, they should display better journalistic ethics.
Second: Wizards, for not having a better handle on document security and for now having four business days without any tangible response, feeding the conspiracy theories and making it harder for a response to be accepted once received. Wizards could move to number one if this does turn out to be a real and final draft - but we don’t have enough information to actually put them in that position yet.
Third: The social media influencers who are peddling insufficient and incomplete information as if it were gospel truth.
Fourth: The players who are jumping to conclusions based on bad data and do not realise they’re engaging in pointless speculation based on a single and useless-without-context data point.
It can always be both. The one answers to the other.
I've said this before in a separate thread, but I think this new OGL license was never meant to be used. They were just putting something so horrendously horrible out there that even if the next rendition of the OGL is still unfavorable, it looks a million times better than comparison.
Quokkas are objectively the best animal, anyone who disagrees needs a psychiatric evaluation
WotC's. Hasbro tasks them with making more money. How they do that is up to WotC.
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WotC staff deserve a break. It's the shareholders, company directors, lawyers, and similar that are spreading the poison, which is instilled in them by the entirety of Western Society.
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All of this seems remarkably off base. Considering this “draft” was final enough to send out, with contracts and NDAs, I think we can put a little more on WOTC for this.
even, somehow, if this is a draft, why would they ever send a contract with it? I do not believe they are incompetent enough to do this.
why would a high ranking member of kickstarter confirm discussions were had around the %.
at this point this is as good as confirmed. Wizards silence has all but confirmed it. They would have nipped this in the bud if they could deny it legally but they know full well that no one would believe they sent out multiple contracts and agreements in error. Because again, the other alternative is crippling incompetence and I do not think they are that bad.
you keep mentioning context like we haven’t got it. The silence. The third parties. The document that is out there now. The original article. The businesses making very serious decisions off the back of this. Decisions that make direct competition to WOTC. And again. The silence. If this wasn’t true, the only reason to not resolve this would again be incompetence. So either this is a case of serious, continued failings, including their first post on this matter completely avoiding dealing with the problems. Or this is true and they are trying to spin this, change the OGL, or some other form of damage control.
we have context. We have enough. The only people at fault are WOTC and hasbro for burning the goodwill and causing irreparable harm to their brand.
this was a final draft as it was sent out with contracts and confirmed by Kickstarter. my speculation is it wasn't released of the 4th as intended because nobody signed the contracts they originally sent out with it and the NDA. Its out there and available for anyone to read its not speculation its not panic its justified outrage and WOTC is sitting quiet while Rome burns.
Hasbro has owned WotC since 1999. There's no difference between the two by this point. Don't con yourself into believing there is.
You're standing in a room full of smoke saying "but I don't actually see a fire"...
At this point you're either in denial or just not paying attention.
I think either of them works, they've just forgotten that dnd is basically a complicated board game -w-
So technically its never been hard to make homebrew, they just don't want us to sell it for some reason
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Perhaps, but they sent it out to third-party producers, and even Kickstarter. One of Kickstarter's execs even said that what was leaked matches up with what KS received, which means they DID intend for this to be the legal 1.1. It's possible they're playing 3D chess here, but I doubt it. It's much more likely they really do intend for this outright evil 'open license' to be the real one moving forward. The fan/creator outrage and backlash might be (might) be getting them to reconsider, but I doubt they really expected more than token resistance.
If wizards is going to stop me from making homebrew, they can eat my pants
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I should like to add that the fact that a contract was attached really doesn't prove anything. Professionally as well as privately I've signed a bunch of contracts, and it's by no means unusual for several drafts to be bounced back and forth, before anything is signed. In particular, the only way for me to make any changes, amendmends or adjustments to a contract before signing, is if I see a draft first.
I'm not defending it or anything, just saying - the contract can be a draft just as well as the OGL.
Blanket disclaimer: I only ever state opinion. But I can sound terribly dogmatic - so if you feel I'm trying to tell you what to think, I'm really not, I swear. I'm telling you what I think, that's all.
Also it is astonishing how many 3rd party creators now announce a own game in the making.
I mean I would too, now that there is so much stirred up hate towards D&D.
What I really can´t get - people play it as if there were never any other systems or people doing their own.
At least in my friend group there are 3 people, wo wrote their own systems. Was never that rare nor will it ever be.
None the less: I hope the situation will end better than expected.
Why not both?
Like hasbro is going to be looking for more and more profit from it's subdivisions as any large corporation would, and them likely noticing that the game has expierience a massive growth in popularity is likely contributing to this desire to see WotC get more money out of the hobby.
On the other hand, WotC is the group that are elbow deep in this turd pile since they're the ones who are trying to supplant a 23 year old agreement with something that comes across as a naked cash grab that offers nothing to the masses of players who have supported the hobby for decades.
So to my mind it's both of them; hasbro created the impetus for something like this while WotC have the actual blood on their hands.