What a bizzarre mindset. It's lazy to... make new statblocks that don't just copy/paste PC abilities according to class/level restrictions? PCs don't get Legendary Actions either; is every Humanoid enemy with one "lazy" because it doesn't follow PC rules? Looking at an NPC or enemy statblock and saying it's "wrong" because it's not a PC is so strange.
It’s a bizarre mindset to expect pre-gen characters that players would actually want to play to follow the actual game rules? Actually you completely missed my point. People in earlier posts were trying to work out what levels etc the characters where, I said there was no point because they are not built using the rules that pc’s are built with. They have their own, completely made up abilities that don’t fit any pc character generation options. And yes, I think it’s lazy of the designers to not attempt to build them in a way that people can play then in an actual game.
"A handful of characters from the film Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves are presented here as NPCs you can include in your D&D campaigns."
These aren't pre-gen characters. They're not meant to be played by the players. They're for DMs.
And that's an indication that WotC isn't reading the room. From the start many players have been trying to work out the movie characters classes and levels. Many players want to play them in a game, ala pre-generated characters. So either WotC isn't in touch with what their customers want(which is bad business) or they are intentionally ignoring their customer's wishes (which is worse business). Since WotC is still on thin ice, as far as many customers are concerned, they might want to try and understand and accommodate their customers a little better.
If you’re going to play them, they’ll need to follow the rules for PCs, which the movie makers have already said they don’t. So to make them movie accurate, they have to be NPC/monsters, which also don’t have to follow the PC rules. And if you want a character that does follow rules, it seems like whipping up a tiefling moon Druid on this site and naming her Doric would take all of 3 minutes.
It’s like every time WotC gives out something free, there are people who come along and say they wanted something different for free, or something more for free. Wizards can’t win. It’s free. If you don’t like it, don’t use it. Otherwise, you get what you pay for.
Tell me you don't understand teaser content. Tell me you also see most players _right now_ saying "I want to play Chris Pine!" instead of "Hell yeah, I want to fight Chris Pine!"
Most players will visualize themselves in the place of the main characters, though typically what they really want is "Like them, but...".
"Like them, but..." means difference. Usually "better," so the logic of the observation still demonstrates players are wanna going to "best" that party.
Especially given that we're talking about existing players, with existing games, this sheaf are literally cameo-ing into the actual main character PCs campaign. Of course WotC isn't going to say "hey, kick Chris Pines @$$!" but I'm pretty sure they'll be well aware of the impulse. He's not Captain Kirk this time, and he will be challenged, and those challengers are sucked into movie discourse ... the whole thing is kinda brilliant in a ramp up marketing stand point. I wouldn't be suprised if "my party beat you guys" comes up during junket events catering specifically to the gaming press.
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What a bizzarre mindset. It's lazy to... make new statblocks that don't just copy/paste PC abilities according to class/level restrictions? PCs don't get Legendary Actions either; is every Humanoid enemy with one "lazy" because it doesn't follow PC rules? Looking at an NPC or enemy statblock and saying it's "wrong" because it's not a PC is so strange.
It’s a bizarre mindset to expect pre-gen characters that players would actually want to play to follow the actual game rules? Actually you completely missed my point. People in earlier posts were trying to work out what levels etc the characters where, I said there was no point because they are not built using the rules that pc’s are built with. They have their own, completely made up abilities that don’t fit any pc character generation options. And yes, I think it’s lazy of the designers to not attempt to build them in a way that people can play then in an actual game.
"A handful of characters from the film Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves are presented here as NPCs you can include in your D&D campaigns."
These aren't pre-gen characters. They're not meant to be played by the players. They're for DMs.
And that's an indication that WotC isn't reading the room. From the start many players have been trying to work out the movie characters classes and levels. Many players want to play them in a game, ala pre-generated characters. So either WotC isn't in touch with what their customers want(which is bad business) or they are intentionally ignoring their customer's wishes (which is worse business). Since WotC is still on thin ice, as far as many customers are concerned, they might want to try and understand and accommodate their customers a little better.
I guess it depends on how good the movie is and how well the characters are received (hoping for the best but honestly my expectations are pretty low for this movie) for people to put them in their game or even play as them but even though I don't really have any desire to play a pre gen based around these characters it would have been nice if they at least tried to make the main hero characters in the movie more representative of the race and class options that the player has access to in their campaigns.
While it isn't the end of the world and concessions may need to be made to make a movie with the source material it would be nice if they at least tried to stay true to the rules of the game in their depictions of classes and abilities. I mean y'all know that most D&D fans are going to be rules lawyering the heck out of the film (Owlbears aren't beasts!) seeing what they got right and what they got wrong and having accurate depictions as written in the rulesets and lore would be a fun easter egg for keen eyed observers as well as a sign that those creating the movie actually care and know something about the game rather than being handed the licence and being told that making a movie on it would make them a lot of money.
The new one d&d play test of druids allows for hybrid breast forms, like owlbears.
"A handful of characters from the film Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves are presented here as NPCs you can include in your D&D campaigns."
These aren't pre-gen characters. They're not meant to be played by the players. They're for DMs.
And that's an indication that WotC isn't reading the room. From the start many players have been trying to work out the movie characters classes and levels. Many players want to play them in a game, ala pre-generated characters. So either WotC isn't in touch with what their customers want(which is bad business) or they are intentionally ignoring their customer's wishes (which is worse business). Since WotC is still on thin ice, as far as many customers are concerned, they might want to try and understand and accommodate their customers a little better.
Tell me you don't understand teaser content. Tell me you also see most players _right now_ saying "I want to play Chris Pine!" instead of "Hell yeah, I want to fight Chris Pine!" As mentioned folks who like to reconstruct characters from media prefer to reCONSTRUCT not just have the sheet handed to them. The NPC stat blocks give players so inclined enough to start playing around with on their drawing board. This, in the business world, is called engaging. I think WotC's doing ok here, and no where near the dire straits you're trying to paint.
Never said they were in dire straits. Just that multiple YouTubers and discussion forums have asked for PC stats. Sure some people like to create their own and they still can buy others like to see "official" character stats. I've literally seen no one ask for NPC stats. So yeah I'm sticking to my original belief that WotC didn't read the room.
If WotC released definitive PC stats for the characters it would ruin the fun of everyone who is trying to do it for themselves. This way people can still do it without going against the “canon.” Also, most PCs usually end up with non standard feats/boons from the DM, and that’s more easily represented in a statblock than a character sheet.
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If you’re going to play them, they’ll need to follow the rules for PCs, which the movie makers have already said they don’t. So to make them movie accurate, they have to be NPC/monsters, which also don’t have to follow the PC rules.
And if you want a character that does follow rules, it seems like whipping up a tiefling moon Druid on this site and naming her Doric would take all of 3 minutes.
It’s like every time WotC gives out something free, there are people who come along and say they wanted something different for free, or something more for free. Wizards can’t win. It’s free. If you don’t like it, don’t use it. Otherwise, you get what you pay for.
I was kidding. I know that. Just a subtle comment on things like that or even the
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I was also just kidding. You can tell by the winky emoji.
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"Like them, but..." means difference. Usually "better," so the logic of the observation still demonstrates players are wanna going to "best" that party.
Especially given that we're talking about existing players, with existing games, this sheaf are literally cameo-ing into the actual main character PCs campaign. Of course WotC isn't going to say "hey, kick Chris Pines @$$!" but I'm pretty sure they'll be well aware of the impulse. He's not Captain Kirk this time, and he will be challenged, and those challengers are sucked into movie discourse ... the whole thing is kinda brilliant in a ramp up marketing stand point. I wouldn't be suprised if "my party beat you guys" comes up during junket events catering specifically to the gaming press.
Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.
The new one d&d play test of druids allows for hybrid breast forms, like owlbears.
Never said they were in dire straits. Just that multiple YouTubers and discussion forums have asked for PC stats. Sure some people like to create their own and they still can buy others like to see "official" character stats. I've literally seen no one ask for NPC stats. So yeah I'm sticking to my original belief that WotC didn't read the room.
Tbh it just seems that people are still salty about One D&D and are searching for evidence that it's going to be Not Good™
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If WotC released definitive PC stats for the characters it would ruin the fun of everyone who is trying to do it for themselves. This way people can still do it without going against the “canon.” Also, most PCs usually end up with non standard feats/boons from the DM, and that’s more easily represented in a statblock than a character sheet.