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It seems you did not read my comment and are simply looking for something to disagree over.
I never said they lied in that video, because I don't know what they said in that video, because I will not under any circumstances give them the engagement they so desperately crave by watching their videos. My comment was that as an overarching theme of their content, they lie for clicks. Their channel is fundamentally dishonest disinformation for the purpose of fueling engagement. They are the worst kind of content creator, a discontent creator.
And claiming that D&D going to an online subscription model is a 100% eventuality is the daftest proclamation. It's as foolish as claiming it'll never happen. It could happen, but it is not likely in the foreseeable future as there is no suggestion that it is in the works, other than people who have their pantaloons in a bunch over drops lamenting about in short form, vertically filmed video. But it does make for a nice boogyman.
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The Jimquisition was a mistake. Every false Cassandra(DNDDiscourse being one of them) copies Steph Sterling's grifting model of throwing a bunch of misanthropic fecal matter at easy targets on the wall, some of it inevitably sticks, and then claim it as prophecy. Some of the copycats even say their autism gives them Cassandra abilities, which is not only impossible, but also ableist.
No, unless it is EXPLICITLY stated, it isn't happening. Anything else is everyone running around like a chicken w/its head cut off.
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While I try not to be a 'the sky is falling' kind of person. I understand where someone could think the future for D&DBeyond is subscription based.
Does that mean that D&DBeyond IS going to go full subscription model, no. But there is no reason to say that couldn't eventually happen either.
You quite literally are saying you never said they lied in that video in the same paragraph as you accuse them of lying for clicks in all their videos. I can read just fine.
While she had a KERNEL of truth(Drops player options being(currently) locked to subs), she went full Chicken Little/Steph Sterling to the deceptive & unprofessional degree that entails, by wildly speculating about DND Beyond going all sub(No basis but vague statements by suits, who lie to EVERYONE in the same way politicians do), knowing that she can rely on useful people to defend her clickbait if called out for lying/obfuscating/reacting by WotC.
She does this w/Critical Role all the dang time, taking one thing Matt Mercer, Talisen Jaffe, or Darrington Press might have done & going full Jimquisition-tier slippery slope fallacy, hoping to be quoted by a super cereal news org for her big break.
Hope this clarifies.
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"But they said some true things" comes across as unnecessarily pedantic just to be contrarian. They lie to drum up clout and engagement. A good grifter mixes some truth in with their lies to keep people hooked. These are both true statements. Someone who tells me a true fact in order to convince me to believe an untrue argument isn't being honest.
Once again, you're betraying the fact you didn't read what I said in an attempt to win one over. What I actually said was:
Nowhere do I say they lie for clicks in all their videos.
But seeing as you're really struggling to comprehend the point I'm making, I'll rephrase it as unambiguously as I can.
The D&D Youtuber Dungeons & Discourse produces videos, many of which (but not all) contain lies, falsehoods, misrepresentations, and deceptive presentation of otherwise technically true/correct/accurate information. This is an overarching trend of their content, but not an absolute statement of each and every video, and it is possible there exists videos which contain no duplicity or deception. Regardless, no content they produce should be assumed to have been created in good faith.
I hope this helps :D
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I should just point out to the class, that Dungeons and Discourse is well known for Hyperbole as a part of her humor.
She isn't lying, but do take what she says with a grain or 6 of salt and learn to sort the gag from the news. It is a talent that is worth developing when existing on the net.
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Yeah, I don't see anything wrong with her content at all. She is hilarious and pretty much right about everything that I have seen so far. I watched one of her Warhammer 40k tubes, and I can't think of anything more objectively and factually correct. It's a truth bomb of the highest order. But as you say, there are a lot of gags in their intended to be more funny than true, I'm sure Chris Cocks is not into spanking... probably.
I get it, and you're wrong, but it's ok, we don't have to have an internet argument about it.
For OP’s sake, I want to reiterate that this is a fiction. There is no evidence to support that this is on the horizon. There, unfortunately, are lots of people who like to spread misinformation in the D&D community. Sometimes because they are misinformed. Some because they are scared about what is happening in other places, and do not realize “what happens in X is not actual evidence it will happen in Y also.” Sometimes because they have a financial incentive to do so. And some have more insidious reasons for slandering the most inclusive iteration of D&D to ever exist. This last one is distressingly common on these forums.
Trust facts, not speculation. The facts here show no actual evidence this is in the works.
WOTC is clearly working to a Freemium model - where it is free to start playing and then over time they lure you into various purchases, subscriptions etc. Because of the way it networks, I can't imagine they'll end that strategy. Maybe they'll move the edges a bit of what is free and what is not, but the system relies on certain players (ie DMs) recruiting people into the fold, bringing them into games, and that's not going to happen nearly as well if Susie has to pony up $50 to find out if this game is for her.
DnDBeyond is clearly a center tentpole for them, providing regular touchpoints to people they would like money from. The sweet digital content beyond the SRD makes it very easy to sell services to people who want the convenient character builder and ability to share that sheet. I can't see them locking people out from that "first one's free" technique.
Amusingly, D&D has been on a “fremium model” for decades - arguably since before it was even called D&D. While the modern iteration started with the 5e basic rules back in 2014, D&D has long pushed “you should try our games at conventions, game stores, libraries (where you can also check out the books and play yourself), etc., and maybe then purchase if you like it.” There are lots of bad things one can say about Gary Gygax, but his hustle in getting out there and getting people to try the game on a “fremium” basis was one of the major reason D&D became the success it is. And, if one follows D&D’s history, it typically hit its lowest points when TSR/Wizards tried to gatekeep it more.
The current design team has hinted they recognize this. Kind of hard not to - most of them are third party developers who used the free rules to make names for themselves. They’re exactly the kind of folks who built their entire careers on importance of the “free” to the success of the “premium.”
Dungeons and DIscourse has an annoying habit of producing the most clickbaity headlines and then the actual story being reported on is a nothingburger, so I boycott on principle. On D&D Beyond turning into a subscription service: what exactly would they be making subscription based?
Yes, WotC have used this "freemium" model since 3rd edition. Ryan Dancey spearheaded the creation of the OGL and SRD so people could play for free and if they liked it they could eventually get the core books and build a collection from there. This was continued for 3.5e. One of the backlashes they had for 4th was because it didn't have that - there was D&D Insider which was kinda like D&D Beyond, which had a very limited amount of content but as a subscription you could unlock all content (which was abused and made piracy even easier than ever - which is why they won't go back to that). In 5th they returned to the freemium model because it is very successful and has contributed to D&D's rising success.
I agree that it is very unlikely they'd ever move from that. It is simply too successful of a model. The backlash of 4th taught them that. More likely they are just going to offer smaller purchasable bundles of player options and optional rules, rather than as a single whole book, with Drops giving subscribers a little something as well, no additional purchase necessary. This means people get to play for free to "get a taste", can subscribe for a few extra options and conveniences, and purchase bouts of extra content at more convenient prices than whole books, and with those being available sooner, plus the occasional full book. This covers a greater range of potential customers by covering a greater range of financial circumstances those customers might have. More enticement for the "here every month" customers, the "want something sooner" customers", the "can't afford whole books" customers, the "i can buy everything at once" customers, and the "one-off" customers who don't need subs but will buy a few extra options here and there if needed.
It covers more bases, which means more paying customers, which means a better bottom line.
They know a "sub or get nothing" approach which only drive customers away to other sites like Roll20 who dont do that. Or anger them enough to stop D&D altogether. WotC is a greedy corp - they want money, so they aren't going to use a tactic that is guaranteed to lose them a ****ton of customers.
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We had like 70% (give or take on how much weighting you give to each aspect) of what he's claiming he wants, and he was CEO when that 70% was taken away, which supports what I'm saying even more.
If you're not willing or able to to discuss in good faith, then don't be surprised if I don't respond, there are better things in life for me to do than humour you. This signature is that response.
What he's claiming he wants is completely different from a la carte. A la carte was "buy one monster". What he's talking about is "buy the monsters chapter of book X"; it's an entirely different thing structurally. That said, the original explanation for removing a la carte was always that it was too difficult to maintain, not that it was something they were inherently opposed to doing.
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D&D StaffHello! Brian Perry, executive producer on D&D Beyond here. I just wanted to jump in to say we have no plans to change the way in which you access your D&D Beyond content.
In fact, the team has really taken to heart all of the great feedback on how to improve D&D Beyond Drops. Primarily, how people without a subscription can get it and how Master Tier subscribers can share it with their tables. We are actively working on solutions to these now. More to come soon!
Thanks for taking the time to set peoples minds at ease! Also for the massive boost in transparency and communication, not just here but on Reddit too. It's amazing, especially the much more comprehensive (and regular) changelogs.
Love to see it!
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This ties in to a related concern, namely D&D content being exclusively available on dndbeyond. People are less likely to go to a different platform if they can't get the same stuff there. I believe Astarion's Book of Hungers is the only proper WotC release exclusive to here so far, but that could change in the future, especially if they put more emphasis on subscribers. And the whole Legends of Greyhawk thing also seems to exclusive to dndbeyond (I'm not all that familiar with it, so could be wrong).
Now I don't believe dndbeyond would ever block access to non-subscribers, but I am worried that more future releases will be restricted to only subscribers.