Of the Cantrip literally requires potions of healing to be used, but heals less than a potion... why would I use the spell and not the potion?
Well, stats I gave were basically half a potion for half the healing, but it could have other benefits (such as range) and you could make it more efficient, I was just giving an example of "clearly not broken".
Of the Cantrip literally requires potions of healing to be used, but heals less than a potion... why would I use the spell and not the potion?
Well, stats I gave were basically half a potion for half the healing, but it could have other benefits (such as range) and you could make it more efficient, I was just giving an example of "clearly not broken".
But again, If you're going to give a cantrip heal and add a caveat (like requires the use of a healing potion) sure you can give it range, but you've defeated the point of the cantrip. No current cantrip that requires M components expends those components. For if the point of cantrips is they can be used "limitlessly," limiting a cantrip just to have a healing one goes against core game design.
Currently, dms have one tool to challenge players: muntiple encounters to drain some of their expendable resources, like spell slots, so that by the time they get to the bbeg, they cant go nova on them.
First of all, that's not true -- as long as you're willing to toss the encounter building rules in the trash you can challenge them with one encounter -- and secondly, it's kind of irrelevant to my point, which is that having access to cantrip healing only matters if you have multiple encounters per day.
This doesn't mean I think a cantrip heal is a good idea, but it may be surprisingly irrelevant to many games.
Currently, dms have one tool to challenge players: muntiple encounters to drain some of their expendable resources, like spell slots, so that by the time they get to the bbeg, they cant go nova on them.
First of all, that's not true -- as long as you're willing to toss the encounter building rules in the trash you can challenge them with one encounter -- and secondly, it's kind of irrelevant to my point, which is that having access to cantrip healing only matters if you have multiple encounters per day.
This doesn't mean I think a cantrip heal is a good idea, but it may be surprisingly irrelevant to many games.
D&D is specifically designed to have multiple encounters in an "adventuring day" (meaning between long rests).
If you want to add your own homebrew Healing Cantrip as a DM in your home game, go right ahead. The official rules have to work for everybody though, so they can't do it in the official books.
The concept of spammable spells is a 4e/5e thing, as people got more frustrated with the small number of spells at level 1-3 for casters. It was never meant to be the go-to for things like healing.
D&D is specifically designed to have multiple encounters in an "adventuring day" (meaning between long rests).
Yes, since at least 3e the authors have been trying to encourage the multi-encounter day, and since at least 3e players and DMs have been ignoring them. Not even published adventures obey the encounter rules.
Well, sure. Players love it because they can burn all their spell slots in one big nova battle. And dms do it because it makes powergamers happy.
No, it doesn't happen because the six encounter day is and always has been a stupid idea.
It's not a "stupid" idea, just a limited one narratively. It makes a lot of sense if you're hacking your way through waves of undead in a dungeon, for instance, but very little sense if you're on a well-traveled road or in a city
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So, your bbeg's all live in simple, single room mud huts with a draft front door, no walled fortresses, no layered defenses, no guards, no traps.
Players just walk in the front door and attack the bbeg?
Narratively, the appropriate number of encounters per day is almost always 1-3. As for guards: when you attack the guards, the encounter doesn't end until everyone who was alerted by the attack on the guards has been dealt with. Which, without extensive preparation, tends to be the entire encampment, and if the PCs are sneaking through doing sentry removal, every fight is going to be over in less than a round, because if the guard gets an action, you've already failed.
"Narratively, the appropriate number of encounters per day is almost always 1-3."
Which rulebook is that again?
Nothing published by D&D, because D&D has always been obsessed with the nonsensical megadungeon, but as a practical issue, most dungeons are not actually big enough to support more than one encounter or two encounters, because your first encounter is going to alert the entire area, and they're either going to join the existing battle (turning the entire dungeon into one encounter), or they're going to attempt to group up (turning the dungeon into two encounters). Then you might add an introductory encounter (for example, the reason you were alerted to the dungeon in the first place is because monsters from the dungeon attempted to ambush the party on the road) to get up to three. To give an example of a different structure, the Five Room Dungeon is generally structured with only two actual fights.
Well, stats I gave were basically half a potion for half the healing, but it could have other benefits (such as range) and you could make it more efficient, I was just giving an example of "clearly not broken".
But again, If you're going to give a cantrip heal and add a caveat (like requires the use of a healing potion) sure you can give it range, but you've defeated the point of the cantrip. No current cantrip that requires M components expends those components. For if the point of cantrips is they can be used "limitlessly," limiting a cantrip just to have a healing one goes against core game design.
First of all, that's not true -- as long as you're willing to toss the encounter building rules in the trash you can challenge them with one encounter -- and secondly, it's kind of irrelevant to my point, which is that having access to cantrip healing only matters if you have multiple encounters per day.
This doesn't mean I think a cantrip heal is a good idea, but it may be surprisingly irrelevant to many games.
D&D is specifically designed to have multiple encounters in an "adventuring day" (meaning between long rests).
If you want to add your own homebrew Healing Cantrip as a DM in your home game, go right ahead. The official rules have to work for everybody though, so they can't do it in the official books.
The concept of spammable spells is a 4e/5e thing, as people got more frustrated with the small number of spells at level 1-3 for casters. It was never meant to be the go-to for things like healing.
A free spell that costs nothing and can be spammed, vs a 50g single use item... why would you ever use the potion?
Yes, since at least 3e the authors have been trying to encourage the multi-encounter day, and since at least 3e players and DMs have been ignoring them. Not even published adventures obey the encounter rules.
No, it doesn't happen because the six encounter day is and always has been a stupid idea.
It's not a "stupid" idea, just a limited one narratively. It makes a lot of sense if you're hacking your way through waves of undead in a dungeon, for instance, but very little sense if you're on a well-traveled road or in a city
Active characters:
Edoumiaond Willegume "Eddie" Podslee, Vegetanian scholar (College of Spirits bard)
Lan Kidogo, mapach archaeologist and treasure hunter (Knowledge cleric)
Peter "the Pied Piper" Hausler, human con artist/remover of vermin (Circle of the Shepherd druid)
PIPA - Planar Interception/Protection Aeormaton, warforged bodyguard and ex-wizard hunter (Warrior of the Elements monk/Cartographer artificer)
Xhekhetiel, halfling survivor of a Betrayer Gods cult (Runechild sorcerer/fighter)
Narratively, the appropriate number of encounters per day is almost always 1-3. As for guards: when you attack the guards, the encounter doesn't end until everyone who was alerted by the attack on the guards has been dealt with. Which, without extensive preparation, tends to be the entire encampment, and if the PCs are sneaking through doing sentry removal, every fight is going to be over in less than a round, because if the guard gets an action, you've already failed.
Nothing published by D&D, because D&D has always been obsessed with the nonsensical megadungeon, but as a practical issue, most dungeons are not actually big enough to support more than one encounter or two encounters, because your first encounter is going to alert the entire area, and they're either going to join the existing battle (turning the entire dungeon into one encounter), or they're going to attempt to group up (turning the dungeon into two encounters). Then you might add an introductory encounter (for example, the reason you were alerted to the dungeon in the first place is because monsters from the dungeon attempted to ambush the party on the road) to get up to three. To give an example of a different structure, the Five Room Dungeon is generally structured with only two actual fights.
Is that not what I am saying in my post? You just switched my wording but got to the same point?