I remember reading that article last year. All welcome points; I especially liked the advisory committee. But not what I would consider the basis of an apology tour. It was disheartening to see some of the comments then - and the attitudes that have continued to the present - that vilified WotC anyway despite the steps they had taken to garner goodwill.
I remember reading that article last year. All welcome points; I especially liked the advisory committee. But not what I would consider the basis of an apology tour. It was disheartening to see some of the comments then - and the attitudes that have continued to the present - that vilified WotC anyway despite the steps they had taken to garner goodwill.
As I say, nothing short of Hasbro voiding ANYONE controlling DND, Magic, and all their other IPs would even BEGIN to "make up for" anything in the age of ANYONE or anyTHING doing content creation.
They're forever in "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" hell because NOTHING Dan Ayoub, WotC & Hasbro do can make up for OGLgate(Harmed content creators) & The Pinkertons(Unionbusters, private police, etc.) (DISCLAIMER:I DO NOT PERSONALLY BELIEVE IN THESE AS SINS)in any way that's realistically going to happen.
I remember reading that article last year. All welcome points; I especially liked the advisory committee. But not what I would consider the basis of an apology tour. It was disheartening to see some of the comments then - and the attitudes that have continued to the present - that vilified WotC anyway despite the steps they had taken to garner goodwill.
As I say, nothing short of Hasbro voiding ANYONE controlling DND, Magic, and all their other IPs would even BEGIN to "make up for" anything in the age of ANYONE or anyTHING doing content creation.
They're forever in "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" hell because NOTHING Dan Ayoub, WotC & Hasbro do can make up for OGLgate(Harmed content creators) & The Pinkertons(Unionbusters, private police, etc.) in any way that's realistically going to happen.
No one with common sense would say Wizards has not more than made up for the OGL "issue". It was a pretty minor issue in the first place where the only real problem was bad communication and poorly articulated goals by Wizards. And as a direct result, Wizards vastly improved relations with major third party publishers, hired a bunch of those publishers to work for Wizards, has made those publishers a bunch of money by hosting content on D&D Beyond, has involved a number of those publishers in their community feedback program, opened up the SRD to the creative commons, committed to expanding the SRD over time to keep it relevant, and had significant leadership turnover ousting a bunch of folks who were in charge at the time of the OGL issue.
If one stills have a problem with it, the problem is not Wizards or what Wizards has done to rebuild relationships and trusts... that's a problem with the person who is choosing to be angry.
The Pinkertons thing was also a PR disaster - but it was a PR disaster not a real one. There are not many companies that do that kind of recovery of missing property, and the Pinkertons are really the biggest and most skilled game in town. They also have a bad history, are currently extra vilified by a lot of Wizards' players due to Bioshock and RDR, and have the exact same staffing issues many private investigators have. Even if we assume everything said about what the Pinkertons did was true, it is a bit excessive to hold Wizards accountable for the actions of a third-party who was one of the very few entities they could have hired in the first place. And, as far as I am aware, despite the MANY problems Magic has had with leaks recently, we have not seen a repeat of this action.
Wizards is doing great at rebuilding trust with those who actually want to engage in good faith and rebuild the trust harmed by Wizards' past actions (and mostly past failings at communication). If there are still people throwing a fit about something that Wizards more than made up for... or that wasn't even Wizards' fault in the first place... like the two examples you raised? They are not going to get won over anyway, and Wizards should not bother with the Sisyphean task of appeasing folks who do not have any intention of being appeased.
Fortunately, most folks probably fall into that first category--or into the category of people who simply do not care at all about the drama, do not pay attention to it, and just want to roll some dice.
Perfect examples. Both the OGL situation and the Pinkerton situation were blown wildly out of proportion, in large part by influencers chasing clicks, and continue to be relitigated endlessly by people who didn't see either situation with nuance and complexity and will never move on. No content creators were actually affected by the potential OGL changes, and the discussions around that event led to moving to Creative Commons, which is even more flexible for content creators than before. The Pinkerton episode came about because a customer received Magic cards before release and refused to cooperate when WotC tried to get him the card set he actually ordered and return the set that wasn't ready for release. The Pinkertons were only involved because the individual refused to engage when WotC tried in good faith to replace the set he was never supposed to have with the set he actually paid for. It's long past time to stop pretending the people at WotC are mustache-twirling villains out to steal candy from babies.
Perfect examples. Both the OGL situation and the Pinkerton situation were blown wildly out of proportion, in large part by influencers chasing clicks, and continue to be relitigated endlessly by people who didn't see either situation with nuance and complexity and will never move on. No content creators were actually affected by the potential OGL changes, and the discussions around that event led to moving to Creative Commons, which is even more flexible for content creators than before. The Pinkerton episode came about because a customer received Magic cards before release and refused to cooperate when WotC tried to get him the card set he actually ordered and return the set that wasn't ready for release. The Pinkertons we're only involved because the individual refused to engage when WotC tried in good faith to replace the set he was never supposed to have with the set he actually paid for. It's long past time to stop pretending the people at WotC are mustache-twirling villains out to steal candy from babies.
But you see, Hasbro is the Disney of Nintendos /s
If Dan Ayoub was to apologize for ANYTHING(DISCLAIMER:This is STRICTLY from the perspective of those who would want said apologies:I do not endorse such), it would be the previous management of the DND side of things doing those 2 things. There's still only so much he can personally apologize for, because Chris Cocks & the shareholders would NEVER apologize for the especially egregious stuff, & not just DND-related stuff(Hasbro killing Super Sentai because of their ownership of Power Rangers is their big sin right now in the pop culture zeitgeist).
(Hasbro killing Super Sentai because of their ownership of Power Rangers is their big sin right now in the pop culture zeitgeist).
Which, on looking at what it is, appears to be yet another random bogus accusation. The proper entity to blame for the problems with Super Sentai appears to be Toei, all Hasbro did was abandon something that wasn't working for them, and not just give up their existing licensing agreements for free.
(Hasbro killing Super Sentai because of their ownership of Power Rangers is their big sin right now in the pop culture zeitgeist).
Which, on looking at what it is, appears to be yet another random bogus accusation. The proper entity to blame for the problems with Super Sentai appears to be Toei, all Hasbro did was abandon something that wasn't working for them, and not just give up their existing licensing agreements for free.
This ties into a bigger point I love to raise:You don't need to lie about Hasbro's evils:They're a megacorporation. That's enough reason to have negative feelings.
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DM, player & homebrewer(Current homebrew project is an unofficial conversion of SBURB/SGRUB from Homestuck into DND 5e)
Once made Maxwell's Silver Hammer come down upon Strahd's head to make sure he was dead.
Always study & sharpen philosophical razors. They save a lot of trouble.
(Hasbro killing Super Sentai because of their ownership of Power Rangers is their big sin right now in the pop culture zeitgeist).
Which, on looking at what it is, appears to be yet another random bogus accusation. The proper entity to blame for the problems with Super Sentai appears to be Toei, all Hasbro did was abandon something that wasn't working for them, and not just give up their existing licensing agreements for free.
This ties into a bigger point I love to raise:You don't need to lie about Hasbro's evils:They're a megacorporation. That's enough reason to have negative feelings.
And yet, you did lie about them in multiple posts. Presenting something Wizards more than made up for. Mischaracterizing non-Wizards actions as those of Wizards. For some reason talking about something Hasbro might have done in a completely different brand under a completely different corporate structuring.
“Hasbro is evil for reasons I don’t have to lie about” sure looks a lot less compelling when you have not managed to raise a single honest complaint about Wizards - the actual subject of this thread - across three posts.
The simple reality is that, to the extent Wizards messed things up in the past, a lot of those mess ups were relatively small, but compounded by the critical mistake of bad PR and communications skills muddying the issues or coming off as condescending to players. Their real flaw was always communications, and the new team has done a great job fixing that flaw. They are doing their part and have earned goodwill, and Dan has been a pretty big part of that.
(Hasbro killing Super Sentai because of their ownership of Power Rangers is their big sin right now in the pop culture zeitgeist).
Which, on looking at what it is, appears to be yet another random bogus accusation. The proper entity to blame for the problems with Super Sentai appears to be Toei, all Hasbro did was abandon something that wasn't working for them, and not just give up their existing licensing agreements for free.
This ties into a bigger point I love to raise:You don't need to lie about Hasbro's evils:They're a megacorporation. That's enough reason to have negative feelings.
And yet, you did lie about them in multiple posts. Presenting something Wizards more than made up for. Mischaracterizing non-Wizards actions as those of Wizards. For some reason talking about something Hasbro might have done in a completely different brand under a completely different corporate structuring.
“Hasbro is evil for reasons I don’t have to lie about” sure looks a lot less compelling when you have not managed to raise a single honest complaint about Wizards - the actual subject of this thread - across three posts.
I've got some posts to edit for clarity. Also, where's the 3rd one? Hasbro IS a megacorporation
I remember reading that article last year. All welcome points; I especially liked the advisory committee. But not what I would consider the basis of an apology tour. It was disheartening to see some of the comments then - and the attitudes that have continued to the present - that vilified WotC anyway despite the steps they had taken to garner goodwill.
As I say, nothing short of Hasbro voiding ANYONE controlling DND, Magic, and all their other IPs would even BEGIN to "make up for" anything in the age of ANYONE or anyTHING doing content creation.
They're forever in "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" hell because NOTHING Dan Ayoub, WotC & Hasbro do can make up for OGLgate(Harmed content creators) & The Pinkertons(Unionbusters, private police, etc.) (DISCLAIMER:I DO NOT PERSONALLY BELIEVE IN THESE AS SINS)in any way that's realistically going to happen.
DM, player & homebrewer(Current homebrew project is an unofficial conversion of SBURB/SGRUB from Homestuck into DND 5e)
Once made Maxwell's Silver Hammer come down upon Strahd's head to make sure he was dead.
Always study & sharpen philosophical razors. They save a lot of trouble.
No one with common sense would say Wizards has not more than made up for the OGL "issue". It was a pretty minor issue in the first place where the only real problem was bad communication and poorly articulated goals by Wizards. And as a direct result, Wizards vastly improved relations with major third party publishers, hired a bunch of those publishers to work for Wizards, has made those publishers a bunch of money by hosting content on D&D Beyond, has involved a number of those publishers in their community feedback program, opened up the SRD to the creative commons, committed to expanding the SRD over time to keep it relevant, and had significant leadership turnover ousting a bunch of folks who were in charge at the time of the OGL issue.
If one stills have a problem with it, the problem is not Wizards or what Wizards has done to rebuild relationships and trusts... that's a problem with the person who is choosing to be angry.
The Pinkertons thing was also a PR disaster - but it was a PR disaster not a real one. There are not many companies that do that kind of recovery of missing property, and the Pinkertons are really the biggest and most skilled game in town. They also have a bad history, are currently extra vilified by a lot of Wizards' players due to Bioshock and RDR, and have the exact same staffing issues many private investigators have. Even if we assume everything said about what the Pinkertons did was true, it is a bit excessive to hold Wizards accountable for the actions of a third-party who was one of the very few entities they could have hired in the first place. And, as far as I am aware, despite the MANY problems Magic has had with leaks recently, we have not seen a repeat of this action.
Wizards is doing great at rebuilding trust with those who actually want to engage in good faith and rebuild the trust harmed by Wizards' past actions (and mostly past failings at communication). If there are still people throwing a fit about something that Wizards more than made up for... or that wasn't even Wizards' fault in the first place... like the two examples you raised? They are not going to get won over anyway, and Wizards should not bother with the Sisyphean task of appeasing folks who do not have any intention of being appeased.
Fortunately, most folks probably fall into that first category--or into the category of people who simply do not care at all about the drama, do not pay attention to it, and just want to roll some dice.
Perfect examples. Both the OGL situation and the Pinkerton situation were blown wildly out of proportion, in large part by influencers chasing clicks, and continue to be relitigated endlessly by people who didn't see either situation with nuance and complexity and will never move on. No content creators were actually affected by the potential OGL changes, and the discussions around that event led to moving to Creative Commons, which is even more flexible for content creators than before. The Pinkerton episode came about because a customer received Magic cards before release and refused to cooperate when WotC tried to get him the card set he actually ordered and return the set that wasn't ready for release. The Pinkertons were only involved because the individual refused to engage when WotC tried in good faith to replace the set he was never supposed to have with the set he actually paid for. It's long past time to stop pretending the people at WotC are mustache-twirling villains out to steal candy from babies.
But you see, Hasbro is the Disney of Nintendos /s
If Dan Ayoub was to apologize for ANYTHING(DISCLAIMER:This is STRICTLY from the perspective of those who would want said apologies:I do not endorse such), it would be the previous management of the DND side of things doing those 2 things. There's still only so much he can personally apologize for, because Chris Cocks & the shareholders would NEVER apologize for the especially egregious stuff, & not just DND-related stuff(Hasbro killing Super Sentai because of their ownership of Power Rangers is their big sin right now in the pop culture zeitgeist).
DM, player & homebrewer(Current homebrew project is an unofficial conversion of SBURB/SGRUB from Homestuck into DND 5e)
Once made Maxwell's Silver Hammer come down upon Strahd's head to make sure he was dead.
Always study & sharpen philosophical razors. They save a lot of trouble.
Which, on looking at what it is, appears to be yet another random bogus accusation. The proper entity to blame for the problems with Super Sentai appears to be Toei, all Hasbro did was abandon something that wasn't working for them, and not just give up their existing licensing agreements for free.
This ties into a bigger point I love to raise:You don't need to lie about Hasbro's evils:They're a megacorporation. That's enough reason to have negative feelings.
DM, player & homebrewer(Current homebrew project is an unofficial conversion of SBURB/SGRUB from Homestuck into DND 5e)
Once made Maxwell's Silver Hammer come down upon Strahd's head to make sure he was dead.
Always study & sharpen philosophical razors. They save a lot of trouble.
And yet, you did lie about them in multiple posts. Presenting something Wizards more than made up for. Mischaracterizing non-Wizards actions as those of Wizards. For some reason talking about something Hasbro might have done in a completely different brand under a completely different corporate structuring.
“Hasbro is evil for reasons I don’t have to lie about” sure looks a lot less compelling when you have not managed to raise a single honest complaint about Wizards - the actual subject of this thread - across three posts.
The simple reality is that, to the extent Wizards messed things up in the past, a lot of those mess ups were relatively small, but compounded by the critical mistake of bad PR and communications skills muddying the issues or coming off as condescending to players. Their real flaw was always communications, and the new team has done a great job fixing that flaw. They are doing their part and have earned goodwill, and Dan has been a pretty big part of that.
I've got some posts to edit for clarity. Also, where's the 3rd one? Hasbro IS a megacorporation
DM, player & homebrewer(Current homebrew project is an unofficial conversion of SBURB/SGRUB from Homestuck into DND 5e)
Once made Maxwell's Silver Hammer come down upon Strahd's head to make sure he was dead.
Always study & sharpen philosophical razors. They save a lot of trouble.