Any society that is inherently evil could never function as a civilization. However in a world where gods can literally walk around and have direct interaction with people who knows what would happen. Lazy writing? 100% for sure. However most of the writing in D&D is lazy. It's an open ended game system first, story second. A lot of it comes across as cliche fan stories... but in the end isn't that what it is? I mean aren't the people hired to write, just literal fans of D&D that have been dreaming their whole life of working and writing for the company?
I wanted to mention separately that, yeah, totally. I think you're spot on about how much fans contribute, and get hired to build, D&D.
I would separate R.A. Salvatore from that though. He should be better.
I was reading some Lord of the Rings yesterday, and let me quote for you EXACTLY what I said about J.R.R's writing lol. I was writing to a friend encouraging him to avoid trying to sound like J.R.R. in writing, but here I'll just say it for fun.
J.R.R is the kind of guy who can write two, 34 word sentences back to back and it reads well; He's the kind of guy who can have two pages of dialogue without a tag and you still, completely, know who is talking. I mean ZERO tags. He actually makes me want to eat my own shit. If you try to beat his wordiness you'll be sorely defeated.
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I was reading some Lord of the Rings yesterday, and let me quote for you EXACTLY what I said about J.R.R's writing lol. I was writing to a friend encouraging him to avoid trying to sound like J.R.R. in writing, but here I'll just say it for fun.
J.R.R is the kind of guy who can write two, 34 word sentences back to back and it reads well; He's the kind of guy who can have two pages of dialogue without a tag and you still, completely, know who is talking. I mean ZERO tags. He actually makes me want to eat my own shit. If you try to beat his wordiness you'll be sorely defeated.
That's an interesting take. I don't disagree, although I personally don't really like Tolkien's style because of his wordiness. I read his books because of his plots and concepts and world-building, and the character relationships, and the characters themselves. But somehow the actual method he uses to communicate all of that to me just falls a little flat. It's funny--you'd think a disliked writing style would fail at making me like the content. And maybe it's because I had them read to me and knew the stories before I could read myself. So maybe when I read them myself, I give him a pass :)
A pass I wouldn't give to Robert Jordan after three Wheel of (Too Much of My) Time books. Liked the characters, concepts, plots, etc. Could not wade through the pace of his exposition. His writing style sentence by sentence isn't bad. But there's another part of structure that I couldn't get through--pacing. Tolkien's pacing is much better--although maybe too fast, particularly for contemporary sensibilities), but it's his sentence structures I find less than ideal, just compared to what I like to see on the page. He's good at his craft, but I prefer something different if I had to choose. Tolkien is like a really talented musician playing music that's not quite my style, with really interesting lyrics. :)
I was reading some Lord of the Rings yesterday, and let me quote for you EXACTLY what I said about J.R.R's writing lol. I was writing to a friend encouraging him to avoid trying to sound like J.R.R. in writing, but here I'll just say it for fun.
J.R.R is the kind of guy who can write two, 34 word sentences back to back and it reads well; He's the kind of guy who can have two pages of dialogue without a tag and you still, completely, know who is talking. I mean ZERO tags. He actually makes me want to eat my own shit. If you try to beat his wordiness you'll be sorely defeated.
That's an interesting take. I don't disagree, although I personally don't really like Tolkien's style because of his wordiness. I read his books because of his plots and concepts and world-building, and the character relationships, and the characters themselves. But somehow the actual method he uses to communicate all of that to me just falls a little flat. It's funny--you'd think a disliked writing style would fail at making me like the content. And maybe it's because I had them read to me and knew the stories before I could read myself. So maybe when I read them myself, I give him a pass :)
A pass I wouldn't give to Robert Jordan after three Wheel of (Too Much of My) Time books. Liked the characters, concepts, plots, etc. Could not wade through the pace of his exposition. His writing style sentence by sentence isn't bad. But there's another part of structure that I couldn't get through--pacing. Tolkien's pacing is much better--although maybe too fast, particularly for contemporary sensibilities), but it's his sentence structures I find less than ideal, just compared to what I like to see on the page. He's good at his craft, but I prefer something different if I had to choose. Tolkien is like a really talented musician playing music that's not quite my style, with really interesting lyrics. :)
This is something I really want to learn from Tolkien. He is a bit flat but somehow he's just pleasant too. Like reading him feels like smoking leaf through a churchwarden. Real smooth draw. His pipe-leaf just isn't that flavorful.
As you mentioned, you don't like his style because it's wordy, and it definitely is. But, hands down it is super easy to read and somehow pleasantly descriptive. You find yourself quickly able to blast through pages so even though it's close to 600,000+ words it feels like it takes 1/4th that amount to get to the end.
I think he lawn-darts into the ground on tension. There's pretty much NO tension in his entire book, and NO consequence of anything. You know the enemy will lose, no one really suffers or dies.
Since you have an opinion on this, I'd definitely like your opinion on mine. Feel free to PM me if you read it.
I was reading some Lord of the Rings yesterday, and let me quote for you EXACTLY what I said about J.R.R's writing lol. I was writing to a friend encouraging him to avoid trying to sound like J.R.R. in writing, but here I'll just say it for fun.
J.R.R is the kind of guy who can write two, 34 word sentences back to back and it reads well; He's the kind of guy who can have two pages of dialogue without a tag and you still, completely, know who is talking. I mean ZERO tags. He actually makes me want to eat my own shit. If you try to beat his wordiness you'll be sorely defeated.
That's an interesting take. I don't disagree, although I personally don't really like Tolkien's style because of his wordiness. I read his books because of his plots and concepts and world-building, and the character relationships, and the characters themselves. But somehow the actual method he uses to communicate all of that to me just falls a little flat. It's funny--you'd think a disliked writing style would fail at making me like the content. And maybe it's because I had them read to me and knew the stories before I could read myself. So maybe when I read them myself, I give him a pass :)
A pass I wouldn't give to Robert Jordan after three Wheel of (Too Much of My) Time books. Liked the characters, concepts, plots, etc. Could not wade through the pace of his exposition. His writing style sentence by sentence isn't bad. But there's another part of structure that I couldn't get through--pacing. Tolkien's pacing is much better--although maybe too fast, particularly for contemporary sensibilities), but it's his sentence structures I find less than ideal, just compared to what I like to see on the page. He's good at his craft, but I prefer something different if I had to choose. Tolkien is like a really talented musician playing music that's not quite my style, with really interesting lyrics. :)
My goal with this series is to keep them all about the length, feel and pace of "Wizard of Earthsea."
I think that's a perfect fantasy book, I remember SOOOO much about it, probably as many things and details as LotR built and conveyed. Except Wizard of Earthsea is only 50,000 words, and LotR is something like 750,000.
So my Chapter 1 is the start to a book that I know will fall into about 40,000-50,000 word range.
Definitely let me know what you think, again my link is:
Of all the discussion about the Drow I have never felt like their society was Chaotic Evil. It is highly structured, there are things you are not allowed to do (or not allowed to get caught doing) or face consequences so dire sometimes it meant the eradication of a whole house. A chaotic goddess, giving strict rules and laws that her 'children' must live by or face death or worse. Their society has always been a strong contradiction of itself, controlled chaos if you would. A lawful society with chaotic rules, the rules don't change but if you are conniving enough you can circumvent the rules. If nobody knows you broke a law, does it really matter? But the laws are still there, and they are strict. I have never considered them to be full on chaotic, if Chaotically Lawful was an option it would fit them well.
There was some discourse over 'choosing of mates' to which I would add to the mix, if a person (male or female) tells you they want you now, you have a choice to say no. In a society where the person being asked knows that if they refuse at the very least they will be punished severely they are likely to say yes. The drow matriarchs can pick whomever they want to be their mate, because they wield enough influence and power that none would dare to turn them down unless said individual wielded equal amounts of power and influence. I mean would you turn down a leaders advances if you knew the consequences of such decision might be the destruction of your family and literal torture, or just being sent on every suicide mission for the rest of your short life. Powerful motivation if you ask me. Also a drow matriarch would probably be choosing exemplary specimens either for entertainment or for good breeding stock. Nothing but the best and strongest for the most beloved of the Queen.
I guess everyone takes away something different from any kind of media.
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"I have found the answer to the meaning of life. You ask me what the answer is? You already know what the answer to life is. You fear it more than the strike of a viper, the ravages of disease, the ire of a lover. The answer is always death. But death is a gentle mistress with a sweet embrace, and you owe her a debt of restitution. Life is not a gift, it is a loan."
Of all the discussion about the Drow I have never felt like their society was Chaotic Evil. It is highly structured, there are things you are not allowed to do (or not allowed to get caught doing) or face consequences so dire sometimes it meant the eradication of a whole house. A chaotic goddess, giving strict rules and laws that her 'children' must live by or face death or worse. Their society has always been a strong contradiction of itself, controlled chaos if you would. A lawful society with chaotic rules, the rules don't change but if you are conniving enough you can circumvent the rules. If nobody knows you broke a law, does it really matter? But the laws are still there, and they are strict. I have never considered them to be full on chaotic, if Chaotically Lawful was an option it would fit them well.
There was some discourse over 'choosing of mates' to which I would add to the mix, if a person (male or female) tells you they want you now, you have a choice to say no. In a society where the person being asked knows that if they refuse at the very least they will be punished severely they are likely to say yes. The drow matriarchs can pick whomever they want to be their mate, because they wield enough influence and power that none would dare to turn them down unless said individual wielded equal amounts of power and influence. I mean would you turn down a leaders advances if you knew the consequences of such decision might be the destruction of your family and literal torture, or just being sent on every suicide mission for the rest of your short life. Powerful motivation if you ask me. Also a drow matriarch would probably be choosing exemplary specimens either for entertainment or for good breeding stock. Nothing but the best and strongest for the most beloved of the Queen.
I guess everyone takes away something different from any kind of media.
The problem you first hit upon is the concept of "chaotic evil". It just doesn't really exist in societal examples. It's an inappropriate tool or classification.
Someone else said they were actually lawful evil, that would make more sense, except I read scenes where people try to portray them as chaotic evil.
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I just realized another example of how the D&D drow "suck".
They speak Undercommon.
Per the D&D portrayal, Drow would be too racist to give two shites about other languages, and if they had a curiosity, they'd be disgusted by them and probably only know enough to study other races' weaknesses.
Imagine pre-Alexander Greece.
They didn't know other languages and refused to learn, and if you didn't speak Greek, you didn't speak with them. Only the merchant class didn't fit that mold. But there's a reason pre-modern societies regarded merchants as complete and utter trash, most of the time.
Merchants? Being trash? I think you are confusing merchants with Gypsies or Romany or something. Because that's not really a thing for the vast majority of cultures across the world. They may not have had the bloodlines, but they were still powerful in most societies and cultures. Perhaps you are talking more of the roaming snake-oil salesman (small joke). Because if you wanted your silks and your spices you worked with a merchant to get them. They may have been seen as somewhat sly and money grubbing, but that is just capitalism for you. They put themselves at risk everything they transported something long distances and they made people pay for the dangers incurred. This was seen as price gouging (sometimes it was) and money grubbing. But they were far from being considered complete and utter trash. I do wonder where you got your historical information from, it seems spotty at best.
When you talk about them speaking undercommon, it's an elvish based language, so it's more like EVERYONE ELSE learned it to talk and trade with them. Besides you need to be able to communicate effectively with your lessers, to at all times let them know how insignificant they are. I would certainly imagine most Drow would never voluntarily lower themselves to speaking with such crass and crude creatures without good reason though. That seems entirely too likely.
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"Where words fail, swords prevail. Where blood is spilled, my cup is filled" -Cartaphilus
"I have found the answer to the meaning of life. You ask me what the answer is? You already know what the answer to life is. You fear it more than the strike of a viper, the ravages of disease, the ire of a lover. The answer is always death. But death is a gentle mistress with a sweet embrace, and you owe her a debt of restitution. Life is not a gift, it is a loan."
I just realized another example of how the D&D drow "suck".
They speak Undercommon.
Per the D&D portrayal, Drow would be too racist to give two shites about other languages, and if they had a curiosity, they'd be disgusted by them and probably only know enough to study other races' weaknesses.
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In their original incarnation, Drow spoke a variety of languages and undercommon didn't exist.
"Drow are able to speak common tongue, gnome, elven, and their own language in addition to the other tongues which their level of intelligence allows. Many know the languages of the various races of creatures which speak and dwell underground. All of the Dark Elves also have a silent language composed of hand movements, and this means of communication is capable of conveying virtually any information. When Drow are within 30’ or less of each other, they also use facial and body expression, movement, and posture. These latter alone are capable of conveying considerable information, and when coupled with hand/finger movements the whole is as erudite as any spoke speech."
- Gary Gygax, D1-2, Descent into the Depths of the Earth, p.24
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Ah yes, No names critics, that critics renowed Authors, that not only are old as dirt, but where most of their work was done 10+years ago.
Its not lazyness, its old, its outdated yes, but its just how it is, everyone enshrined the first edition of D&D for various reasons, but nostlagia makes you see things ina weird way, reread some of the things written in any of the 1st and 2nd Editions books, compare it to todays books and authors and i dare you tell me that there's no difference.
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Ah yes, No names critics, that critics renowed Authors, that not only are old as dirt, but where most of their work was done 10+years ago.
Its not lazyness, its old, its outdated yes, but its just how it is, everyone enshrined the first edition of D&D for various reasons, but nostlagia makes you see things ina weird way, reread some of the things written in any of the 1st and 2nd Editions books, compare it to todays books and authors and i dare you tell me that there's no difference.
Regardless of any of his other virtues or faults, Gary Gygax was not really the best writer around.
Or, I guess I should say 'irregardless' if I'm talking about Gary :)
1 The Drow are so evil because they are basically a society focused around a EVIL goddess.
1.5 Dragons, demons, and many other very intelligent creatures are chaotic evil.
2 It’s not the whole city, just the vast majority. Zaknafein and Drizzt are good, and who said there can’t be more good drow?
3 Okay, The clock tower is weird, in that we can agree.
4 Drow could raise an army and attack surface, but only if their society wasn’t divided in houses trying to destroy each. Also, in Faerun no one has gunpowder, some people have smokepowder, but it’s not widely used and never will be.
5 What is a good villain in your opinion?
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I wanted to mention separately that, yeah, totally. I think you're spot on about how much fans contribute, and get hired to build, D&D.
I would separate R.A. Salvatore from that though. He should be better.
I was reading some Lord of the Rings yesterday, and let me quote for you EXACTLY what I said about J.R.R's writing lol. I was writing to a friend encouraging him to avoid trying to sound like J.R.R. in writing, but here I'll just say it for fun.
Read the first chapters. Feel free to critique. Will link the next chapters at the end of the first. Two stories running so far.
Simeon Tor:
https://www.dndbeyond.com/forums/d-d-beyond-general/story-lore/34598-simeon-tor-chapter-1-the-heat-of-battle
The Heart of the Drow:
https://www.dndbeyond.com/forums/d-d-beyond-general/story-lore/36014-heart-of-the-drow-chapter-1
That's an interesting take. I don't disagree, although I personally don't really like Tolkien's style because of his wordiness. I read his books because of his plots and concepts and world-building, and the character relationships, and the characters themselves. But somehow the actual method he uses to communicate all of that to me just falls a little flat. It's funny--you'd think a disliked writing style would fail at making me like the content. And maybe it's because I had them read to me and knew the stories before I could read myself. So maybe when I read them myself, I give him a pass :)
A pass I wouldn't give to Robert Jordan after three Wheel of (Too Much of My) Time books. Liked the characters, concepts, plots, etc. Could not wade through the pace of his exposition. His writing style sentence by sentence isn't bad. But there's another part of structure that I couldn't get through--pacing. Tolkien's pacing is much better--although maybe too fast, particularly for contemporary sensibilities), but it's his sentence structures I find less than ideal, just compared to what I like to see on the page. He's good at his craft, but I prefer something different if I had to choose. Tolkien is like a really talented musician playing music that's not quite my style, with really interesting lyrics. :)
Looking for new subclasses, spells, magic items, feats, and races? Opinions welcome :)
This is something I really want to learn from Tolkien. He is a bit flat but somehow he's just pleasant too. Like reading him feels like smoking leaf through a churchwarden. Real smooth draw. His pipe-leaf just isn't that flavorful.
As you mentioned, you don't like his style because it's wordy, and it definitely is. But, hands down it is super easy to read and somehow pleasantly descriptive. You find yourself quickly able to blast through pages so even though it's close to 600,000+ words it feels like it takes 1/4th that amount to get to the end.
I think he lawn-darts into the ground on tension. There's pretty much NO tension in his entire book, and NO consequence of anything. You know the enemy will lose, no one really suffers or dies.
Since you have an opinion on this, I'd definitely like your opinion on mine. Feel free to PM me if you read it.
https://www.dndbeyond.com/forums/d-d-beyond-general/story-lore/36014-heart-of-the-drow-chapter-1
Read the first chapters. Feel free to critique. Will link the next chapters at the end of the first. Two stories running so far.
Simeon Tor:
https://www.dndbeyond.com/forums/d-d-beyond-general/story-lore/34598-simeon-tor-chapter-1-the-heat-of-battle
The Heart of the Drow:
https://www.dndbeyond.com/forums/d-d-beyond-general/story-lore/36014-heart-of-the-drow-chapter-1
My goal with this series is to keep them all about the length, feel and pace of "Wizard of Earthsea."
I think that's a perfect fantasy book, I remember SOOOO much about it, probably as many things and details as LotR built and conveyed. Except Wizard of Earthsea is only 50,000 words, and LotR is something like 750,000.
So my Chapter 1 is the start to a book that I know will fall into about 40,000-50,000 word range.
Definitely let me know what you think, again my link is:
https://www.dndbeyond.com/forums/d-d-beyond-general/story-lore/36014-heart-of-the-drow-chapter-1
Read the first chapters. Feel free to critique. Will link the next chapters at the end of the first. Two stories running so far.
Simeon Tor:
https://www.dndbeyond.com/forums/d-d-beyond-general/story-lore/34598-simeon-tor-chapter-1-the-heat-of-battle
The Heart of the Drow:
https://www.dndbeyond.com/forums/d-d-beyond-general/story-lore/36014-heart-of-the-drow-chapter-1
Of all the discussion about the Drow I have never felt like their society was Chaotic Evil. It is highly structured, there are things you are not allowed to do (or not allowed to get caught doing) or face consequences so dire sometimes it meant the eradication of a whole house. A chaotic goddess, giving strict rules and laws that her 'children' must live by or face death or worse. Their society has always been a strong contradiction of itself, controlled chaos if you would. A lawful society with chaotic rules, the rules don't change but if you are conniving enough you can circumvent the rules. If nobody knows you broke a law, does it really matter? But the laws are still there, and they are strict. I have never considered them to be full on chaotic, if Chaotically Lawful was an option it would fit them well.
There was some discourse over 'choosing of mates' to which I would add to the mix, if a person (male or female) tells you they want you now, you have a choice to say no. In a society where the person being asked knows that if they refuse at the very least they will be punished severely they are likely to say yes. The drow matriarchs can pick whomever they want to be their mate, because they wield enough influence and power that none would dare to turn them down unless said individual wielded equal amounts of power and influence. I mean would you turn down a leaders advances if you knew the consequences of such decision might be the destruction of your family and literal torture, or just being sent on every suicide mission for the rest of your short life. Powerful motivation if you ask me. Also a drow matriarch would probably be choosing exemplary specimens either for entertainment or for good breeding stock. Nothing but the best and strongest for the most beloved of the Queen.
I guess everyone takes away something different from any kind of media.
"Where words fail, swords prevail. Where blood is spilled, my cup is filled" -Cartaphilus
"I have found the answer to the meaning of life. You ask me what the answer is? You already know what the answer to life is. You fear it more than the strike of a viper, the ravages of disease, the ire of a lover. The answer is always death. But death is a gentle mistress with a sweet embrace, and you owe her a debt of restitution. Life is not a gift, it is a loan."
The problem you first hit upon is the concept of "chaotic evil". It just doesn't really exist in societal examples. It's an inappropriate tool or classification.
Someone else said they were actually lawful evil, that would make more sense, except I read scenes where people try to portray them as chaotic evil.
Read the first chapters. Feel free to critique. Will link the next chapters at the end of the first. Two stories running so far.
Simeon Tor:
https://www.dndbeyond.com/forums/d-d-beyond-general/story-lore/34598-simeon-tor-chapter-1-the-heat-of-battle
The Heart of the Drow:
https://www.dndbeyond.com/forums/d-d-beyond-general/story-lore/36014-heart-of-the-drow-chapter-1
I just realized another example of how the D&D drow "suck".
They speak Undercommon.
Per the D&D portrayal, Drow would be too racist to give two shites about other languages, and if they had a curiosity, they'd be disgusted by them and probably only know enough to study other races' weaknesses.
Imagine pre-Alexander Greece.
They didn't know other languages and refused to learn, and if you didn't speak Greek, you didn't speak with them. Only the merchant class didn't fit that mold. But there's a reason pre-modern societies regarded merchants as complete and utter trash, most of the time.
Read the first chapters. Feel free to critique. Will link the next chapters at the end of the first. Two stories running so far.
Simeon Tor:
https://www.dndbeyond.com/forums/d-d-beyond-general/story-lore/34598-simeon-tor-chapter-1-the-heat-of-battle
The Heart of the Drow:
https://www.dndbeyond.com/forums/d-d-beyond-general/story-lore/36014-heart-of-the-drow-chapter-1
Merchants? Being trash? I think you are confusing merchants with Gypsies or Romany or something. Because that's not really a thing for the vast majority of cultures across the world. They may not have had the bloodlines, but they were still powerful in most societies and cultures. Perhaps you are talking more of the roaming snake-oil salesman (small joke). Because if you wanted your silks and your spices you worked with a merchant to get them. They may have been seen as somewhat sly and money grubbing, but that is just capitalism for you. They put themselves at risk everything they transported something long distances and they made people pay for the dangers incurred. This was seen as price gouging (sometimes it was) and money grubbing. But they were far from being considered complete and utter trash. I do wonder where you got your historical information from, it seems spotty at best.
When you talk about them speaking undercommon, it's an elvish based language, so it's more like EVERYONE ELSE learned it to talk and trade with them. Besides you need to be able to communicate effectively with your lessers, to at all times let them know how insignificant they are. I would certainly imagine most Drow would never voluntarily lower themselves to speaking with such crass and crude creatures without good reason though. That seems entirely too likely.
"Where words fail, swords prevail. Where blood is spilled, my cup is filled" -Cartaphilus
"I have found the answer to the meaning of life. You ask me what the answer is? You already know what the answer to life is. You fear it more than the strike of a viper, the ravages of disease, the ire of a lover. The answer is always death. But death is a gentle mistress with a sweet embrace, and you owe her a debt of restitution. Life is not a gift, it is a loan."
In their original incarnation, Drow spoke a variety of languages and undercommon didn't exist.
"Drow are able to speak common tongue, gnome, elven, and their
own language in addition to the other tongues which their level
of intelligence allows. Many know the languages of the various
races of creatures which speak and dwell underground. All of
the Dark Elves also have a silent language composed of hand
movements, and this means of communication is capable of
conveying virtually any information. When Drow are within 30’ or
less of each other, they also use facial and body expression,
movement, and posture. These latter alone are capable of
conveying considerable information, and when coupled with
hand/finger movements the whole is as erudite as any spoke
speech."
- Gary Gygax, D1-2, Descent into the Depths of the Earth, p.24
"Sooner or later, your Players are going to smash your railroad into a sandbox."
-Vedexent
"real life is a super high CR."
-OboeLauren
"............anybody got any potatoes? We could drop a potato in each hole an' see which ones get viciously mauled by horrible monsters?"
-Ilyara Thundertale
Ah yes, No names critics, that critics renowed Authors, that not only are old as dirt, but where most of their work was done 10+years ago.
Its not lazyness, its old, its outdated yes, but its just how it is, everyone enshrined the first edition of D&D for various reasons, but nostlagia makes you see things ina weird way, reread some of the things written in any of the 1st and 2nd Editions books, compare it to todays books and authors and i dare you tell me that there's no difference.
"Normality is but an Illusion, Whats normal to the Spider, is only madness for the Fly"
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Kain de Draakberg-Dark Knight lvl8-Avergreen(DitA)
Regardless of any of his other virtues or faults, Gary Gygax was not really the best writer around.
Or, I guess I should say 'irregardless' if I'm talking about Gary :)
Looking for new subclasses, spells, magic items, feats, and races? Opinions welcome :)
1 The Drow are so evil because they are basically a society focused around a EVIL goddess.
1.5 Dragons, demons, and many other very intelligent creatures are chaotic evil.
2 It’s not the whole city, just the vast majority. Zaknafein and Drizzt are good, and who said there can’t be more good drow?
3 Okay, The clock tower is weird, in that we can agree.
4 Drow could raise an army and attack surface, but only if their society wasn’t divided in houses trying to destroy each. Also, in Faerun no one has gunpowder, some people have smokepowder, but it’s not widely used and never will be.
5 What is a good villain in your opinion?