There are essays on Orcs and racism with respect to Tolkien, who is considered to have provided the original inspiration. As for Drow, the matriarchal aspect being treated as evil is not itself an analogy to Blacks, but rather a misogynist thing. Which evil races are white skinned?
And it is well-documented that Tolkien was not using orcs as a stand in for any particular human ethnicity. In fact, he agonized over the origin of orcs being elves corrupted by dark magics of the dark lord Morgoth because he wasn't sure how people would take it in a fantasy setting. It wasn't that he was worried about what they looked like but the fact that they used to be elves.
Now you're saying it's mysoginistic to prop up a matriarchal society?
To name a few: Most giants (especially Fomorian) & ogres, Redcap, Duergar and Derro are typically considered evil races.
Hill and Fomorian Giants, perhaps, but Stone are typically grey; fire, red; and frost, blue. Duergar and Derro have Blue-grey skin.
Redcaps look like old men, so ageism rather than racism.
Hill Giants and Ogres are both described as stupid and always eating, so fat shaming rather than racism.
Stop looking for reasons to be offended on other people's behalf. If the orcs or drow have a problem with how they're presented when I'm running my table then they can come talk to me about it.
@Kotath I can’t find the post rn but I totally agree with you about how the drow, one of the few gynocratic and matriarchal societies in D&D, are being literally demonized as chaotic evil demon worshippers.
That's... because they are? Lolth is the demon queen of spiders. Demons pretty much unilaterally across all fantasy settings default to evil. So if you're going to worship one, as a society, I'm not seeing a pathway for that society to not also be evil.
If you're telling me that a matriarchal political system that relies on backstabbing each other is a stand-in for black people then you are the problem because you see black people as evil and you're projecting that attitude on others.
This is the classic "I don't understand racism/choose to ignore it, therefore people who do/talk about it must be racist" argument. Total non-sequitur. The problem isn't that I see racism everywhere, it's that minority groups see echoes of it in common tropes. Ignorance is not a good counterargument.
The issue with institutionalized racism is that no one can say specifically which institution when pressed on it, nor say how it is racist if they do name one, and who the specific racist people in that specific institution are and what they are doing that is specifically racist.
Without evidence, institutional racism is nothing more than an abstract theory that deliberately removes individuality from people and forces them into groups and then judge them by the group. It's a philosophy that builds up racism because it's incapable of looking at individuals and seeing individuals rather than groups.
There's evidence of it literally everywhere. Check out the racial wealth gap in the U.S., the difference in unemployment rates among racial groups, differences in school funding between minority and white neighborhoods. You're right that it's generally hard to grapple with institutional racism because no individual need be super racist for these racial gaps to persist. Doesn't mean it's not real. I wold love for society to be structured in a way that treats individuals as individuals... but a lot more individuals of certain races get the shaft even just through preservation of the status quo.
You are making everything about race and gender. If you want less racism in the world, do what Morgan Freeman suggests and stop talking about it.
Have you checked on Morgan Freeman recently? Here's his pinned tweet on twitter. His timeline is covered with memories of Rep. Lewis and calls to action against racism. He's an outspoken BLM supporter.
Stop looking for reasons to be offended on other people's behalf. If the orcs or drow have a problem with how they're presented when I'm running my table then they can come talk to me about it.
(emphasis mine)
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This is the classic "I don't understand racism/choose to ignore it, therefore people who do/talk about it must be racist" argument. Total non-sequitur. The problem isn't that I see racism everywhere, it's that minority groups see echoes of it in common tropes. Ignorance is not a good counterargument.
There is no ignorance. Simply the fact that racism does not exist everywhere. Are there racists. Yes. Are there racists who have positions of authority and abuse it? Yes. Are everyone who criticizes something racist. Absolutely not.
There's evidence of it literally everywhere. Check out the racial wealth gap in the U.S., the difference in unemployment rates among racial groups, differences in school funding between minority and white neighborhoods. You're right that it's generally hard to grapple with institutional racism because no individual need be super racist for these racial gaps to persist. Doesn't mean it's not real. I wold love for society to be structured in a way that treats individuals as individuals... but a lot more individuals of certain races get the shaft even just through preservation of the status quo.
None of that has to do with race and just about everything to do with personal choices. Studies have shown that if any individual, of any race, do three things then they overwhelmingly avoid or get out of poverty. 98% chance of successfully avoiding poverty.
1. Complete High School.
2. Work full time.
3. Wait until the age 21 and get married before having children.
Other studies have shown that if you grow up in a household that has two parents your chances of success skyrocket. Families who are black that have two-parent households have a 45% drop in poverty rates.
The economic issues are not necessarily racial but as far as sub-cultures in America and abroad go having single-mother households is a proven detriment to success in life. And only 38.7% of black families have two parents in the home.
No one is forcing black people to live with these conditions. No one is making them drop out of high school in higher numbers than white kids, at least in the US.
Personal choice is far more responsible for economic disparities than race.
Have you checked on Morgan Freeman recently? Here's his pinned tweet on twitter. His timeline is covered with memories of Rep. Lewis and calls to action against racism. He's an outspoken BLM supporter.
What does that have to do with the wisdom of what he said before? Nothing about this has anything to do with it.
If you don't want racism, don't talk about it or force issues based on race.
You are making everything about race and gender. If you want less racism in the world, do what Morgan Freeman suggests and stop talking about it.
Have you checked on Morgan Freeman recently? Here's his pinned tweet on twitter. His timeline is covered with memories of Rep. Lewis and calls to action against racism. He's an outspoken BLM supporter.
You totally missed the point of his statement.
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"............anybody got any potatoes? We could drop a potato in each hole an' see which ones get viciously mauled by horrible monsters?"
None of that has to do with race and just about everything to do with personal choices. Studies have shown that if any individual, of any race, do three things then they overwhelmingly avoid or get out of poverty. 98% chance of successfully avoiding poverty.
What you've just said is impossible to prove because the results are what we economists like to call endogenous. Sure, people who complete high school and work full time will be better off. But what if growing up in a wealthy neighborhood makes those choices easier to make? If employers won't hire you because of the color of your skin, how are you going to get a full time job? Financial trouble is second to infidelity for the lead cause of divorce. If you have had trouble amassing wealth, couldn't inherit from your rich daddy, and are systematically excluded from the labor market, don't you think that's more likely to happen?
Here's the actual evidence:
Minority students suffer in school because of poor school funding, a problem more concentrated in minority neighborhoods. Link
Student outcomes are affected by the available funding of their schools, which is dependent on the racial characteristics of their neighborhoods. Link
Black households own on average 9% of the wealth of white households. Link This is census data, but the Federal Reserve Board has excellent data in their biennial Survey of Consumer Finances. The numbers are even worse for Native Americans. ~1/4 of Black households have zero or negative wealth. Remember that household wealth is an important resource for things like buying a house in a "good" neighborhood, starting a business, pursuing higher education, etc.
Individual behavior does not account for the racial wealth gap. Link.
Also from the SCF, which you can see explored more deeply in the Distributional Financial Accounts here, housing is the single largest asset and store of wealth for the middle class. Racist housing institutions including the practice of "redlining" as exemplified by the Federal Housing Act in 1934 specifically excluded Black neighborhoods from receiving aid in the form of cheap loans to buy houses.
Controlling for a host of variables, Black and Hispanic Americans are sentenced more strictly and to longer terms than are white Americans in the Federal criminal justice system. Link. This link is probably gated, but it's easy to find working papers on the authors' websites.
Having a "Black-sounding" name can be a penalty in the labor market. Link
Intergenerational wealth transmission (eg. inheritances) accounts for a substantial amount of persistence in wealth. If your parents weren't wealthy, or had their wealth destroyed by the racist mobs, then you aren't likely to be wealthy either, regardless of how much you save. Being born into wealth makes you more likely to start a business and take financial risks. Link
At every level of education, Black workers face lower wages. Link.
The tired "personal responsibility" trope serves only to blame the victim and justify doing nothing to fix the problem.
Tolkien orcs are not a representative of black people or any other ethnic group.
He states that orcs were creations of elves. In his writing elves were an example of good.
The tragedy of orcs being made from elves is that he saw with his own eyes and experience, how men of any background can become ugly and evil under certain circumstances. He saw the horrors of World War I and saw what happens to men when under the stress of those stimuli. Every person of any background has a possibility of being corrupted under the influence of horrible situations.
Make a stand. Hold yourself proud. Do the right thing. Don't be a dick. Don't give in to the easy choice especially when you know it's the wrong thing to do. The entire series is a passion play about internal conflict. It wasn't about racism.
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"Sooner or later, your Players are going to smash your railroad into a sandbox."
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"real life is a super high CR."
-OboeLauren
"............anybody got any potatoes? We could drop a potato in each hole an' see which ones get viciously mauled by horrible monsters?"
With regards to Wakanda, I'd say that taken collectively they are Chaotic, but each individual tribe is clearly Lawful, just differing versions of Lawful based on their role in the society.
The tired "personal responsibility" trope serves only to blame the victim and justify doing nothing to fix the problem.
No one is blaming victims for having poor circumstances. People blame individuals for making poor choices. If I have problems it’s not societies job to fix them for me. It’s my job. It may require moving to another city or state, it may require drastic attitude adjustment and therapy, it may require working.
Any choice I make in life must be weighed in how much it helps or hinders me. Will it open doors of opportunity or make me look and sound bad and make people not want to associate with me.
The world doesn’t care about you. It doesn’t care about me, and it doesn’t care about groups. We all have individual responsibilities to ourselves and trying to force that responsibility on others because people feel like victims only alienates them from people who otherwise may have been willing to give them a chance.
Also, it’s illegal to pay anyone less for doing the same job based on race or gender. What changes is education (can be done by individuals), work experience (can be done by individuals), networking and connections and finally negotiation.
People are, more often than not, victims only in their own heads. It’s become lucrative to be a victim in society because you can blame everyone else for your problems without putting in the work to succeed and nothing is ever your fault.
My advice for anyone is focus on improving yourself. Work hard and don’t do anything that’ll make you look bad. Drop friends who bring you down. Study, get a job, move to a place with more opportunities if you have to, save money and spend less than you make. Avoid debt and find a hobby that you enjoy and can have fun doing with as many or few people as you like.
Life is not easy for anyone and no one cares if people complain about how hard they got it.
The tired "personal responsibility" trope serves only to blame the victim and justify doing nothing to fix the problem.
No one is blaming victims for having poor circumstances. People blame individuals for making poor choices. If I have problems it’s not societies job to fix them for me. It’s my job. It may require moving to another city or state, it may require drastic attitude adjustment and therapy, it may require working.
Any choice I make in life must be weighed in how much it helps or hinders me. Will it open doors of opportunity or make me look and sound bad and make people not want to associate with me.
The world doesn’t care about you. It doesn’t care about me, and it doesn’t care about groups. We all have individual responsibilities to ourselves and trying to force that responsibility on others because people feel like victims only alienates them from people who otherwise may have been willing to give them a chance.
Also, it’s illegal to pay anyone less for doing the same job based on race or gender. What changes is education (can be done by individuals), work experience (can be done by individuals), networking and connections and finally negotiation.
People are, more often than not, victims only in their own heads. It’s become lucrative to be a victim in society because you can blame everyone else for your problems without putting in the work to succeed and nothing is ever your fault.
My advice for anyone is focus on improving yourself. Work hard and don’t do anything that’ll make you look bad. Drop friends who bring you down. Study, get a job, move to a place with more opportunities if you have to, save money and spend less than you make. Avoid debt and find a hobby that you enjoy and can have fun doing with as many or few people as you like.
Life is not easy for anyone and no one cares if people complain about how hard they got it.
I am by far not an expert on stuff like this, but I do know one thing: it may be illegal, but it definitely happens.
"Yes, I think the orcs as real a creation as anything in 'realistic' fiction ... only in real life they are on both sides, of course. For 'romance' has grown out of 'allegory', and its wars are still derived from the 'inner war' of allegory in which good is on one side and various modes of badness on the other. In real (exterior) life men are on both sides: which means a motley alliance of orcs, beasts, demons, plain naturally honest men, and angels."
emphasis mine.
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I don't get what the problem is with the term 'Race'. (IMO) I don't like the term 'Species'.
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Actually, they are more representative of Asians. He describes them as 'Mongol types.' That they were twisted from Elves by an evil god is no different from saying "They may seem human but Satan corrupted them." The Easterlings and Southrons are similarly men corrupted by Morgoth or Sauron... men who just happen to have darker skin (particularly the Southrons) and happen to come, respectively, from east and south of Middle Earth (Europe).
Tolkien treats racism between white races as bad (i.e. between Elves and Dwarves), but anyone darker skinned is evil, because Evil made them so.
Reading this reminds me of a George Orwell quote.
"Some ideas are so stupid only an intellectual would believe them."
Dwarves and elves are different races. Orcs, Uruk-hai and goblins are also evil races. In fact, Lord of the Rings had evil humans. Saruman the WHITE being a prime example. Since, you know, you're so focused on colors being the be-all end-all of discussion rather than culture or deeds.
Uruk-hai are bred by Sarumon by breeding goblins and humans, and he urges a bunch of mountain folk that Rohan is responsible for all their problems and urges them to join him in raiding, invading and slaughtering their way through the countryside of Rohan.
Actually, they are more representative of Asians. He describes them as 'Mongol types.'
He was describing how to depict orcs to a film company that had decided to depict them with beaks and feathers. He wrote they should look like corrupted men and that they should use Mongolian features as a reference. He didn't say orcs were Mongolians. Nor did he consider Mongolians corrupted humans. He described the orcs as corrupted elves. The logical implication is that elves also had Mongolian features. But neither orcs nor elves are meant to represent Mongolians in his works.
No, he did not say 'they are Mongolians.' If he had intended to be that blatant, he would not have used Orcs at all. Or Middle Earth. And no, that is not a logical implication regarding Elves either, since he twisted bodies, not merely minds.
Do you understand the concept of allegories at all?
And still orcs are not allegories. They are monsters in fantasy settings and they don't need to be more than that at a table where all the players do is dungeon runs.
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And it is well-documented that Tolkien was not using orcs as a stand in for any particular human ethnicity. In fact, he agonized over the origin of orcs being elves corrupted by dark magics of the dark lord Morgoth because he wasn't sure how people would take it in a fantasy setting. It wasn't that he was worried about what they looked like but the fact that they used to be elves.
Now you're saying it's mysoginistic to prop up a matriarchal society?
https://theconversation.com/was-tolkien-really-racist-108227
As for evil races being white skinned. Yuan-ti. Evil humans who happen to be white. Durogar.
You are making everything about race and gender. If you want less racism in the world, do what Morgan Freeman suggests and stop talking about it.
Stop looking for reasons to be offended on other people's behalf. If the orcs or drow have a problem with how they're presented when I'm running my table then they can come talk to me about it.
That's... because they are? Lolth is the demon queen of spiders. Demons pretty much unilaterally across all fantasy settings default to evil. So if you're going to worship one, as a society, I'm not seeing a pathway for that society to not also be evil.
Fomorians aren't really light-skinned (they're usually depicted as purple). Derro and Duergar both have dark skin.
This is the classic "I don't understand racism/choose to ignore it, therefore people who do/talk about it must be racist" argument. Total non-sequitur. The problem isn't that I see racism everywhere, it's that minority groups see echoes of it in common tropes. Ignorance is not a good counterargument.
There's evidence of it literally everywhere. Check out the racial wealth gap in the U.S., the difference in unemployment rates among racial groups, differences in school funding between minority and white neighborhoods. You're right that it's generally hard to grapple with institutional racism because no individual need be super racist for these racial gaps to persist. Doesn't mean it's not real. I wold love for society to be structured in a way that treats individuals as individuals... but a lot more individuals of certain races get the shaft even just through preservation of the status quo.
Have you checked on Morgan Freeman recently? Here's his pinned tweet on twitter. His timeline is covered with memories of Rep. Lewis and calls to action against racism. He's an outspoken BLM supporter.
(emphasis mine)
So, did you know this is a job people have? It's an important job in modern culture, hiring someone who is experienced in noticing language and depictions that may be problematic, and helping the people who hired them fix/change those possible insensitivities in order to avoid problems with inclusion and depictions of real world races and peoples, whether it was purposeful or not.
Sensitivity readers are important. You need to understand that whether or not it is meaningfully offensive, offense happens and should be avoided if possible.
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There is no ignorance. Simply the fact that racism does not exist everywhere. Are there racists. Yes. Are there racists who have positions of authority and abuse it? Yes. Are everyone who criticizes something racist. Absolutely not.
None of that has to do with race and just about everything to do with personal choices. Studies have shown that if any individual, of any race, do three things then they overwhelmingly avoid or get out of poverty. 98% chance of successfully avoiding poverty.
1. Complete High School.
2. Work full time.
3. Wait until the age 21 and get married before having children.
http://federalsafetynet.com/articles-on-poverty/a-98-proof-plan-to-stay-out-of-poverty1#:~:text=%E2%80%9Cyoung%20people%20can%20virtually%20assure,married%20before%20having%20a%20baby.
Other studies have shown that if you grow up in a household that has two parents your chances of success skyrocket. Families who are black that have two-parent households have a 45% drop in poverty rates.
https://fordhaminstitute.org/national/commentary/power-two-parent-home-not-myth
The economic issues are not necessarily racial but as far as sub-cultures in America and abroad go having single-mother households is a proven detriment to success in life. And only 38.7% of black families have two parents in the home.
https://afro.com/census-bureau-higher-percentage-black-children-live-single-mothers/
No one is forcing black people to live with these conditions. No one is making them drop out of high school in higher numbers than white kids, at least in the US.
https://www.jbhe.com/2018/03/the-racial-gap-in-high-school-completion-and-dropout-rates/#:~:text=A%20new%20report%20from%20the,the%20figure%20was%204.7%20percent.
Personal choice is far more responsible for economic disparities than race.
What does that have to do with the wisdom of what he said before? Nothing about this has anything to do with it.
If you don't want racism, don't talk about it or force issues based on race.
You totally missed the point of his statement.
"Sooner or later, your Players are going to smash your railroad into a sandbox."
-Vedexent
"real life is a super high CR."
-OboeLauren
"............anybody got any potatoes? We could drop a potato in each hole an' see which ones get viciously mauled by horrible monsters?"
-Ilyara Thundertale
What you've just said is impossible to prove because the results are what we economists like to call endogenous. Sure, people who complete high school and work full time will be better off. But what if growing up in a wealthy neighborhood makes those choices easier to make? If employers won't hire you because of the color of your skin, how are you going to get a full time job? Financial trouble is second to infidelity for the lead cause of divorce. If you have had trouble amassing wealth, couldn't inherit from your rich daddy, and are systematically excluded from the labor market, don't you think that's more likely to happen?
Here's the actual evidence:
The tired "personal responsibility" trope serves only to blame the victim and justify doing nothing to fix the problem.
How are you having a problem with using a fictional culture in movies/comics to describe a fictional culture in a game about fictional people?
"Sooner or later, your Players are going to smash your railroad into a sandbox."
-Vedexent
"real life is a super high CR."
-OboeLauren
"............anybody got any potatoes? We could drop a potato in each hole an' see which ones get viciously mauled by horrible monsters?"
-Ilyara Thundertale
Tolkien orcs are not a representative of black people or any other ethnic group.
He states that orcs were creations of elves. In his writing elves were an example of good.
The tragedy of orcs being made from elves is that he saw with his own eyes and experience, how men of any background can become ugly and evil under certain circumstances. He saw the horrors of World War I and saw what happens to men when under the stress of those stimuli. Every person of any background has a possibility of being corrupted under the influence of horrible situations.
Make a stand. Hold yourself proud. Do the right thing. Don't be a dick. Don't give in to the easy choice especially when you know it's the wrong thing to do. The entire series is a passion play about internal conflict. It wasn't about racism.
"Sooner or later, your Players are going to smash your railroad into a sandbox."
-Vedexent
"real life is a super high CR."
-OboeLauren
"............anybody got any potatoes? We could drop a potato in each hole an' see which ones get viciously mauled by horrible monsters?"
-Ilyara Thundertale
It's not a serious problem; them not being chaotic is more of an issue.
With regards to Wakanda, I'd say that taken collectively they are Chaotic, but each individual tribe is clearly Lawful, just differing versions of Lawful based on their role in the society.
But frankly that's neither here nor there.
No one is blaming victims for having poor circumstances. People blame individuals for making poor choices. If I have problems it’s not societies job to fix them for me. It’s my job. It may require moving to another city or state, it may require drastic attitude adjustment and therapy, it may require working.
Any choice I make in life must be weighed in how much it helps or hinders me. Will it open doors of opportunity or make me look and sound bad and make people not want to associate with me.
The world doesn’t care about you. It doesn’t care about me, and it doesn’t care about groups. We all have individual responsibilities to ourselves and trying to force that responsibility on others because people feel like victims only alienates them from people who otherwise may have been willing to give them a chance.
Also, it’s illegal to pay anyone less for doing the same job based on race or gender. What changes is education (can be done by individuals), work experience (can be done by individuals), networking and connections and finally negotiation.
People are, more often than not, victims only in their own heads. It’s become lucrative to be a victim in society because you can blame everyone else for your problems without putting in the work to succeed and nothing is ever your fault.
My advice for anyone is focus on improving yourself. Work hard and don’t do anything that’ll make you look bad. Drop friends who bring you down. Study, get a job, move to a place with more opportunities if you have to, save money and spend less than you make. Avoid debt and find a hobby that you enjoy and can have fun doing with as many or few people as you like.
Life is not easy for anyone and no one cares if people complain about how hard they got it.
I am by far not an expert on stuff like this, but I do know one thing: it may be illegal, but it definitely happens.
And if you can prove that it is happening and that it is happening specifically for racial or gender reasons then you can sue them and win.
"Yes, I think the orcs as real a creation as anything in 'realistic' fiction ... only in real life they are on both sides, of course. For 'romance' has grown out of 'allegory', and its wars are still derived from the 'inner war' of allegory in which good is on one side and various modes of badness on the other. In real (exterior) life men are on both sides: which means a motley alliance of orcs, beasts, demons, plain naturally honest men, and angels."
emphasis mine.
"Sooner or later, your Players are going to smash your railroad into a sandbox."
-Vedexent
"real life is a super high CR."
-OboeLauren
"............anybody got any potatoes? We could drop a potato in each hole an' see which ones get viciously mauled by horrible monsters?"
-Ilyara Thundertale
I don't get what the problem is with the term 'Race'. (IMO) I don't like the term 'Species'.
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Reading this reminds me of a George Orwell quote.
"Some ideas are so stupid only an intellectual would believe them."
Dwarves and elves are different races. Orcs, Uruk-hai and goblins are also evil races. In fact, Lord of the Rings had evil humans. Saruman the WHITE being a prime example. Since, you know, you're so focused on colors being the be-all end-all of discussion rather than culture or deeds.
Uruk-hai are bred by Sarumon by breeding goblins and humans, and he urges a bunch of mountain folk that Rohan is responsible for all their problems and urges them to join him in raiding, invading and slaughtering their way through the countryside of Rohan.
He was describing how to depict orcs to a film company that had decided to depict them with beaks and feathers. He wrote they should look like corrupted men and that they should use Mongolian features as a reference. He didn't say orcs were Mongolians. Nor did he consider Mongolians corrupted humans. He described the orcs as corrupted elves. The logical implication is that elves also had Mongolian features. But neither orcs nor elves are meant to represent Mongolians in his works.
And still orcs are not allegories. They are monsters in fantasy settings and they don't need to be more than that at a table where all the players do is dungeon runs.