the etheral very much still exists your soul is their and is metioned constantly (and i mean constantly) and not just the nightmare can go their so can ghost and blink spiders and the blink spell goes their the spellplague has not destroyed the etheral plane yet
in fact im fairly certain that the spellplague is yet to occur at all in 5e and if it has it does not matter much forgotten realms is far removed from the spotlight at the moment
The SpellPlague and its effects I believe is what led to 4e, with the weave being destroyed magic worked very differently. The second Sundering ended this and reinstated the weave and ushered in 5e. This is a very basic explanation from what I’ve gathered from reading the lore so I might not be entirely accurate though. The Ethereal plane still exists in 5e.
the etheral very much still exists your soul is their and is metioned constantly (and i mean constantly) and not just the nightmare can go their so can ghost and blink spiders and the blink spell goes their the spellplague has not destroyed the etheral plane yet
in fact im fairly certain that the spellplague is yet to occur at all in 5e and if it has it does not matter much forgotten realms is far removed from the spotlight at the moment
From what I can read of your atrocious SPaG, your first paragraph is correct. Your second is completely wrong. The Spellplague was the end of 3e, I believe, and (sadly) Forgotten Realms is the main setting of 5e.
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the etheral very much still exists your soul is their and is metioned constantly (and i mean constantly) and not just the nightmare can go their so can ghost and blink spiders and the blink spell goes their the spellplague has not destroyed the etheral plane yet
in fact im fairly certain that the spellplague is yet to occur at all in 5e and if it has it does not matter much forgotten realms is far removed from the spotlight at the moment
From what I can read of your atrocious SPaG, your first paragraph is correct. Your second is completely wrong. The Spellplague was the end of 3e, I believe, and (sadly) Forgotten Realms is the main setting of 5e.
Was there very much FR in 3e? I thought the Spellplague was 4e.
the etheral very much still exists your soul is their and is metioned constantly (and i mean constantly) and not just the nightmare can go their so can ghost and blink spiders and the blink spell goes their the spellplague has not destroyed the etheral plane yet
in fact im fairly certain that the spellplague is yet to occur at all in 5e and if it has it does not matter much forgotten realms is far removed from the spotlight at the moment
From what I can read of your atrocious SPaG, your first paragraph is correct. Your second is completely wrong. The Spellplague was the end of 3e, I believe, and (sadly) Forgotten Realms is the main setting of 5e.
Was there very much FR in 3e? I thought the Spellplague was 4e.
I don't know. Might have been 4e.
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the etheral very much still exists your soul is their and is metioned constantly (and i mean constantly) and not just the nightmare can go their so can ghost and blink spiders and the blink spell goes their the spellplague has not destroyed the etheral plane yet
in fact im fairly certain that the spellplague is yet to occur at all in 5e and if it has it does not matter much forgotten realms is far removed from the spotlight at the moment
From what I can read of your atrocious SPaG, your first paragraph is correct. Your second is completely wrong. The Spellplague was the end of 3e, I believe, and (sadly) Forgotten Realms is the main setting of 5e.
Was there very much FR in 3e? I thought the Spellplague was 4e.
I don't know. Might have been 4e.
SpellPlague was 4e. It was the in universe explanation of why many gods like Mystra were gone and why magic worked differently (the AEDU combat system). The Second Sundering fixed everything by ushering in 5e.
the etheral very much still exists your soul is their and is metioned constantly (and i mean constantly) and not just the nightmare can go their so can ghost and blink spiders and the blink spell goes their the spellplague has not destroyed the etheral plane yet
in fact im fairly certain that the spellplague is yet to occur at all in 5e and if it has it does not matter much forgotten realms is far removed from the spotlight at the moment
From what I can read of your atrocious SPaG, your first paragraph is correct. Your second is completely wrong. The Spellplague was the end of 3e, I believe, and (sadly) Forgotten Realms is the main setting of 5e.
Was there very much FR in 3e? I thought the Spellplague was 4e.
I don't know. Might have been 4e.
SpellPlague was 4e. It was the in universe explanation of why many gods like Mystra were gone and why magic worked differently (the AEDU combat system). The Second Sundering fixed everything by ushering in 5e.
i wouldn't say it 'fixed' everything but it did try to right everything...
the etheral very much still exists your soul is their and is metioned constantly (and i mean constantly) and not just the nightmare can go their so can ghost and blink spiders and the blink spell goes their the spellplague has not destroyed the etheral plane yet
in fact im fairly certain that the spellplague is yet to occur at all in 5e and if it has it does not matter much forgotten realms is far removed from the spotlight at the moment
From what I can read of your atrocious SPaG, your first paragraph is correct. Your second is completely wrong. The Spellplague was the end of 3e, I believe, and (sadly) Forgotten Realms is the main setting of 5e.
Was there very much FR in 3e? I thought the Spellplague was 4e.
I don't know. Might have been 4e.
yes there was a lot of FR in 3rd edition...a ton in fact...maybe most of 3rd edition was in FR.
as for other settings...planescape, spell jammer, mystara i think all stopped for the most part in 2nd edition...there might have been some in 3rd...but not a lot to my knowledge.
4E was specifically in FR and of course 5th started in FR, has since added Eberron, Wildemount, Ravnica...as alternate campaign settings.
the etheral very much still exists your soul is their and is metioned constantly (and i mean constantly) and not just the nightmare can go their so can ghost and blink spiders and the blink spell goes their the spellplague has not destroyed the etheral plane yet
in fact im fairly certain that the spellplague is yet to occur at all in 5e and if it has it does not matter much forgotten realms is far removed from the spotlight at the moment
From what I can read of your atrocious SPaG, your first paragraph is correct. Your second is completely wrong. The Spellplague was the end of 3e, I believe, and (sadly) Forgotten Realms is the main setting of 5e.
Was there very much FR in 3e? I thought the Spellplague was 4e.
I don't know. Might have been 4e.
yes there was a lot of FR in 3rd edition...a ton in fact...maybe most of 3rd edition was in FR.
as for other settings...planescape, spell jammer, mystara i think all stopped for the most part in 2nd edition...there might have been some in 3rd...but not a lot to my knowledge.
4E was specifically in FR and of course 5th started in FR, has since added Eberron, Wildemount, Ravnica...as alternate campaign settings.
Actually, while 4e did have FR supplements later on (as well as Eberron and Dark Sun), Nenthir Vale was the actually Default Setting of 4e which was unique to 4e alone.
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gonna disagree...yes there were forgotten realms players handbook and forgotten realms campaign guide....specifically in 4th edition regular players handbook....there was a whole section about deities and they are all from FR (tiamat, corellon, bahamut, sehanine). there is no mention of nenthir vale anywhere in the DM's guide for 4th edtion....where did you read this?
gonna disagree...yes there were forgotten realms players handbook and forgotten realms campaign guide....specifically in 4th edition regular players handbook....there was a whole section about deities and they are all from FR (tiamat, corellon, bahamut, sehanine). there is no mention of nenthir vale anywhere in the DM's guide for 4th edtion....where did you read this?
Starting with the 11th chapter in the 4e DMG. A lot of the original 4e lore revolves around the Nenthir Vale/Points of Light setting specifically (their version of the Dawn Wars, the Primal Spirits, the World Axis cosmology, the Ancient empires of Dragonborns and Tieflings, etc.). Of course they also released books for Forgotten Realms, Eberron and Dark Sun as well.
gonna disagree...yes there were forgotten realms players handbook and forgotten realms campaign guide....specifically in 4th edition regular players handbook....there was a whole section about deities and they are all from FR (tiamat, corellon, bahamut, sehanine). there is no mention of nenthir vale anywhere in the DM's guide for 4th edtion....where did you read this?
In addition to 's answer which is perfect about the default 4e setting being the Nentir Vale, you are also very specific in your list of gods, because it also includes gods which come specifically from Greyhawk like Tharizdun or Vecna, and also some 4e specific gods like Avandra and Torog.
not to mention most of the gods on their list are racial gods in forgotten realms and are not in Nentir Vale
gonna disagree...yes there were forgotten realms players handbook and forgotten realms campaign guide....specifically in 4th edition regular players handbook....there was a whole section about deities and they are all from FR (tiamat, corellon, bahamut, sehanine). there is no mention of nenthir vale anywhere in the DM's guide for 4th edtion....where did you read this?
Starting with the 11th chapter in the 4e DMG. A lot of the original 4e lore revolves around the Nenthir Vale/Points of Light setting specifically (their version of the Dawn Wars, the Primal Spirits, the World Axis cosmology, the Ancient empires of Dragonborns and Tieflings, etc.). Of course they also released books for Forgotten Realms, Eberron and Dark Sun as well.
ok so yes i went back and looked at my 4e...nentir vale in the back of the book is so vague...there is no where in that chapter do they say what/where it is..****y that is a 'northern land'...no wide world map..****y a map of the immediate area. i assume that is by design. they had made so many weird changes in 4e i think they didn't care what they messed up.
i'm assuming they expanded on this later and made a new setting out of it...but that doesn't excuse the fact that they keep a ton of FR lore (among others) in the same book. i mean even all the things you mentioned are from FR(...dragonborn, tieflings etc...) why make another campaign setting so close to FR....
it kinda harkens back to the vagueness of older adventure modules and trying to understand just what setting they were in... if any at all.
As I understood it, 5e is set post Spellplague and the Ethereal plane no longer exists; it was destroyed by the Spellplague.
If this is correct why is the nightmare in the Monster Manual still able to transfer there?
Im pretty sure the Ethereal Plane 'was' "destroyed" , just not completely 'snuffed out' of existence, WoTC really should have made this clearer by using a word like 'ravaged', 'devastated', or something to describe what happened to the Ethereal Plane instead. Basically the first Spellplague upended the whole of Realmspace, merging parts of Abeir with Toril & transforming all of the Planes in the Great Wheel of Cosmology during its cataclysm
Also the references to the Spellplague in 5e is mostly evil forces currently trying to trigger a '2nd' Spellplague
As I understood it, 5e is set post Spellplague and the Ethereal plane no longer exists; it was destroyed by the Spellplague.
If this is correct why is the nightmare in the Monster Manual still able to transfer there?
Im pretty sure the Ethereal Plane 'was' "destroyed" , just not completely 'snuffed out' of existence, WoTC really should have made this clearer by using a word like 'ravaged', 'devastated', or something to describe what happened to the Ethereal Plane instead. Basically the first Spellplague upended the whole of Realmspace, merging parts of Abeir with Toril & transforming all of the Planes in the Great Wheel of Cosmology during its cataclysm
Also the references to the Spellplague in 5e is mostly evil forces currently trying to trigger a '2nd' Spellplague
The Transition from 4e to 5e was the second sundering, which basically reset everything back to the way it was in 2e I understand
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Long version, spellplague is a forgotten realms specific event. Technically if it happened (walls of blue flame, places swapping with their dimensional counterparts, etc) in other settings none of the timelines have caught up to where the forgotten realms are because wizards decided to try retconing instead of advancing any of the timeliness. Dragonlance and Ebberon have been stuck in their respective timelines since 3e (last war) or re-doing older events (war if the Lance). Curse of strahd went all the way back to the first release timeline before retconing.
With all that aside, yes 4e did get rid of the etheral plane and then brought it back for 5e (while getting rid of the phlogiston in spelljammer) with no explanation. I have been working of cosmological reasons for it, but wizards long ago stopped trying to attempt to be cohesive with their story's. While nothing was ever perfect, they're latest excuse is just nothing is Canon before 5e and if you don't like us charging you more while telling you to homebrew you're a gatekeeper. It's lazy writing and they don't care.
In my game I've made the etheral plane's inaccessibility during the 4e timeline a sages curiosity much the same as the loss of the phlogiston outside the crystal spheres.
They tried replacing the etheral plane with the shadowfell as far as where spirits go, but at the same time switched phase spiders into fey creatures created by the eladrin in their war against the drow. Hope some of this helps even though the og post was a few years ago.
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As I understood it, 5e is set post Spellplague and the Ethereal plane no longer exists; it was destroyed by the Spellplague.
If this is correct why is the nightmare in the Monster Manual still able to transfer there?
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the etheral very much still exists your soul is their and is metioned constantly (and i mean constantly) and not just the nightmare can go their so can ghost and blink spiders and the blink spell goes their the spellplague has not destroyed the etheral plane yet
in fact im fairly certain that the spellplague is yet to occur at all in 5e and if it has it does not matter much forgotten realms is far removed from the spotlight at the moment
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The SpellPlague and its effects I believe is what led to 4e, with the weave being destroyed magic worked very differently. The second Sundering ended this and reinstated the weave and ushered in 5e. This is a very basic explanation from what I’ve gathered from reading the lore so I might not be entirely accurate though. The Ethereal plane still exists in 5e.
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From what I can read of your atrocious SPaG, your first paragraph is correct. Your second is completely wrong. The Spellplague was the end of 3e, I believe, and (sadly) Forgotten Realms is the main setting of 5e.
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Was there very much FR in 3e? I thought the Spellplague was 4e.
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The Ethereal Plane canonically exists, and is described in some detail in the DMG
I don't know. Might have been 4e.
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SpellPlague was 4e. It was the in universe explanation of why many gods like Mystra were gone and why magic worked differently (the AEDU combat system). The Second Sundering fixed everything by ushering in 5e.
"Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup."
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i wouldn't say it 'fixed' everything but it did try to right everything...
yes there was a lot of FR in 3rd edition...a ton in fact...maybe most of 3rd edition was in FR.
as for other settings...planescape, spell jammer, mystara i think all stopped for the most part in 2nd edition...there might have been some in 3rd...but not a lot to my knowledge.
4E was specifically in FR and of course 5th started in FR, has since added Eberron, Wildemount, Ravnica...as alternate campaign settings.
Actually, while 4e did have FR supplements later on (as well as Eberron and Dark Sun), Nenthir Vale was the actually Default Setting of 4e which was unique to 4e alone.
"Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup."
Characters for Tenebris Sine Fine
RoughCoronet's Greater Wills
gonna disagree...yes there were forgotten realms players handbook and forgotten realms campaign guide....specifically in 4th edition regular players handbook....there was a whole section about deities and they are all from FR (tiamat, corellon, bahamut, sehanine). there is no mention of nenthir vale anywhere in the DM's guide for 4th edtion....where did you read this?
Starting with the 11th chapter in the 4e DMG. A lot of the original 4e lore revolves around the Nenthir Vale/Points of Light setting specifically (their version of the Dawn Wars, the Primal Spirits, the World Axis cosmology, the Ancient empires of Dragonborns and Tieflings, etc.). Of course they also released books for Forgotten Realms, Eberron and Dark Sun as well.
"Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup."
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RoughCoronet's Greater Wills
not to mention most of the gods on their list are racial gods in forgotten realms and are not in Nentir Vale
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What I am taking away from this is that The Ethereal Plane went away then came back for 5
Sorry but I'm quite new to D&D I remember reading novels on it but details were escaping me.
Thank you all for your help in clarifying this.
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ok so yes i went back and looked at my 4e...nentir vale in the back of the book is so vague...there is no where in that chapter do they say what/where it is..****y that is a 'northern land'...no wide world map..****y a map of the immediate area. i assume that is by design. they had made so many weird changes in 4e i think they didn't care what they messed up.
i'm assuming they expanded on this later and made a new setting out of it...but that doesn't excuse the fact that they keep a ton of FR lore (among others) in the same book. i mean even all the things you mentioned are from FR(...dragonborn, tieflings etc...) why make another campaign setting so close to FR....
it kinda harkens back to the vagueness of older adventure modules and trying to understand just what setting they were in... if any at all.
Im pretty sure the Ethereal Plane 'was' "destroyed" , just not completely 'snuffed out' of existence, WoTC really should have made this clearer by using a word like 'ravaged', 'devastated', or something to describe what happened to the Ethereal Plane instead.
Basically the first Spellplague upended the whole of Realmspace, merging parts of Abeir with Toril & transforming all of the Planes in the Great Wheel of Cosmology during its cataclysm
Also the references to the Spellplague in 5e is mostly evil forces currently trying to trigger a '2nd' Spellplague
The Transition from 4e to 5e was the second sundering, which basically reset everything back to the way it was in 2e I understand
Hi everyone! I'm working up the will to finalize my signature, so... I guess this will be the signature for now
Long version, spellplague is a forgotten realms specific event. Technically if it happened (walls of blue flame, places swapping with their dimensional counterparts, etc) in other settings none of the timelines have caught up to where the forgotten realms are because wizards decided to try retconing instead of advancing any of the timeliness. Dragonlance and Ebberon have been stuck in their respective timelines since 3e (last war) or re-doing older events (war if the Lance). Curse of strahd went all the way back to the first release timeline before retconing.
With all that aside, yes 4e did get rid of the etheral plane and then brought it back for 5e (while getting rid of the phlogiston in spelljammer) with no explanation. I have been working of cosmological reasons for it, but wizards long ago stopped trying to attempt to be cohesive with their story's. While nothing was ever perfect, they're latest excuse is just nothing is Canon before 5e and if you don't like us charging you more while telling you to homebrew you're a gatekeeper. It's lazy writing and they don't care.
In my game I've made the etheral plane's inaccessibility during the 4e timeline a sages curiosity much the same as the loss of the phlogiston outside the crystal spheres.
They tried replacing the etheral plane with the shadowfell as far as where spirits go, but at the same time switched phase spiders into fey creatures created by the eladrin in their war against the drow. Hope some of this helps even though the og post was a few years ago.