I created my own background and am working with the DM on a character that is Immortal... as such, she chose proficiency in History from being a Cleric and History from her Immortal background... but DnDBeyond doesn't let me double up my proficiency in that...
I know that Rogues can gain Expertise (dbl proficiency) in a skill and thieves tools... how does DnDBeyond handle that for the Rogue? any way i can get that for Homebrew stuff, like my background?
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You can't get double proficiency by being proficient via class and background. Proficiency is simply 'yes' or 'no'. Expertise doubles proficiency bonus, rather than doubling proficiency itself (p96) - "your proficiency bonus is doubled for any ability check that uses either of the chosen proficiencies". As the PHB says, "If a character would gain the same proficiency from two different sources, he or she can choose a different proficiency of same kind (skill or tool) instead" (p125).
well, i'd like the double proficiency for that character via expertise. i meant for the background to have only 1 skill proficiency, plus expertise in History. So she'd gain proficiency in History from being a Cleric, and then have it doubled from the background expertise feature...
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The only ways to do it within the rules as they exist are by being a rogue or taking the Prodigy feat from Xanathar's. the DDB character builder isn't going to support it natively without some homebrew workaround (e.g. make a homebrew item that gives the desired effect).
Expertise is a class feature, not a trait meant to be gained by a background. So you may as well have said "I mean for the background to give me spellcasting." - meaning you are going off into house-rule territory, which D&D Beyond is doing the best that can be reasonably expected to allow, but it's just not feasible for literally every change that could possibly be made to the rules of the game to be inputable into D&D Beyond.
Your cleric could choose the knowledge domain, and in doing so would gain some additional skill proficiency selections (fitting for an immortal to be more skilled than most). Plus if you choose history as one of those granted by your knowledge domain feature you will receive double proficiency bonus to checks using it.
Great info, thanks you guys! i allllmost had her go Knowledge domain, but opted for Grave so i could have her defend mortality while she seeks a way for The Raven Queen to aide her in finding death herself someday. Maybe i'll change to Knowldege so i can make that work. OR, i didn't know about that feat from Xanathar's, so that's a doable work-around too. For now, I just submitted my homebrew background... Cheers!
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She's a feywild moonchild with an obsession for cats and for coffee.
If I understand correctly, you're not asking for advice about the homebrew thing you're doing, but rather how to make it appear on your character sheet?
When the new character sheet arrives (must be riiiiight around the corner now...), you'll likely be able to ad-hoc whatever you want to appear on your character just as your campaign demands.
Until then, perhaps make a homebrew item ("Token of immortality" or something? :p ) that grants the Expertise bonus to History (for it to appear on the sheet, you need to add a Modifier to it, with a Modifier type of "Expertise" and a Modifier Subtype of "History").
This helped a lot, being a new player and only just recently hearing about "Expertise".
Also I'm assuming this would apply with racial skills stacking as well? Meaning you can't get "Expertise" outside of a class / feat ability granting it. (Not counting Homebrew/House Rules)
So when combing the forums for clarification on this subject I would see Twice or Double Proficiency. Is that a thing?
This helped a lot, being a new player and only just recently hearing about "Expertise".
Also I'm assuming this would apply with racial skills stacking as well? Meaning you can't get "Expertise" outside of a class / feat ability granting it. (Not counting Homebrew/House Rules)
So when combing the forums for clarification on this subject I would see Twice or Double Proficiency. Is that a thing?
Correct.
Twice/Double proficiency is specific wording offered by some class features. You do not get expertise nor twice/double proficiency unless a feature specifically states it.
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I created my own background and am working with the DM on a character that is Immortal... as such, she chose proficiency in History from being a Cleric and History from her Immortal background... but DnDBeyond doesn't let me double up my proficiency in that...
I know that Rogues can gain Expertise (dbl proficiency) in a skill and thieves tools... how does DnDBeyond handle that for the Rogue? any way i can get that for Homebrew stuff, like my background?
She's a feywild moonchild with an obsession for cats and for coffee.
You can't get double proficiency by being proficient via class and background. Proficiency is simply 'yes' or 'no'. Expertise doubles proficiency bonus, rather than doubling proficiency itself (p96) - "your proficiency bonus is doubled for any ability check that uses either of the chosen proficiencies". As the PHB says, "If a character would gain the same proficiency from two different sources, he or she can choose a different proficiency of same kind (skill or tool) instead" (p125).
well, i'd like the double proficiency for that character via expertise. i meant for the background to have only 1 skill proficiency, plus expertise in History. So she'd gain proficiency in History from being a Cleric, and then have it doubled from the background expertise feature...
She's a feywild moonchild with an obsession for cats and for coffee.
The only ways to do it within the rules as they exist are by being a rogue or taking the Prodigy feat from Xanathar's. the DDB character builder isn't going to support it natively without some homebrew workaround (e.g. make a homebrew item that gives the desired effect).
Expertise is a class feature, not a trait meant to be gained by a background. So you may as well have said "I mean for the background to give me spellcasting." - meaning you are going off into house-rule territory, which D&D Beyond is doing the best that can be reasonably expected to allow, but it's just not feasible for literally every change that could possibly be made to the rules of the game to be inputable into D&D Beyond.
Your cleric could choose the knowledge domain, and in doing so would gain some additional skill proficiency selections (fitting for an immortal to be more skilled than most). Plus if you choose history as one of those granted by your knowledge domain feature you will receive double proficiency bonus to checks using it.
Great info, thanks you guys! i allllmost had her go Knowledge domain, but opted for Grave so i could have her defend mortality while she seeks a way for The Raven Queen to aide her in finding death herself someday. Maybe i'll change to Knowldege so i can make that work. OR, i didn't know about that feat from Xanathar's, so that's a doable work-around too. For now, I just submitted my homebrew background... Cheers!
She's a feywild moonchild with an obsession for cats and for coffee.
If I understand correctly, you're not asking for advice about the homebrew thing you're doing, but rather how to make it appear on your character sheet?
When the new character sheet arrives (must be riiiiight around the corner now...), you'll likely be able to ad-hoc whatever you want to appear on your character just as your campaign demands.
Until then, perhaps make a homebrew item ("Token of immortality" or something? :p ) that grants the Expertise bonus to History (for it to appear on the sheet, you need to add a Modifier to it, with a Modifier type of "Expertise" and a Modifier Subtype of "History").
This helped a lot, being a new player and only just recently hearing about "Expertise".
Also I'm assuming this would apply with racial skills stacking as well? Meaning you can't get "Expertise" outside of a class / feat ability granting it. (Not counting Homebrew/House Rules)
So when combing the forums for clarification on this subject I would see Twice or Double Proficiency. Is that a thing?
Correct.
Twice/Double proficiency is specific wording offered by some class features. You do not get expertise nor twice/double proficiency unless a feature specifically states it.