Exactly as the title says, my character used it and then went unconscious last session and I will need to make death saves but is my body still invisible and will it stay invisible? It says it ends when you move or take an action/reaction, but if you die then you don't.
This is a question for your GM. Others, such as myself, can offer our own interpretation as we view the RAW or RAI, but its a little shadowy... pun intended. As I personally read it "When you are in an area of dim light or darkness, you can use your action to become invisible until you move or take an action or a reaction." As long as your body is in dim light or darkness you are invisible. So...
Anyone with any light source close you reveals your body.
Anyone who saw you struck down will know pretty close (or exactly) where you are, making you pretty easy to fine (well your unconscious dying body at least).
Invisibility means most likely you don't have obvious ranged healing spells like Healing Word... so that could be bad.
One could rule that the act of dropping or even twitching equals moving (if the GM is being nice).
All sorts of options and fun problems. Of course its totally up the GM here, so listen to the forums, but please understand its not our call, only how the GM interprets things.
Best of luck...
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First of all, saying that it's up to the DM is pointless on a rules forum. Of course it's up to the DM, everything is up to the DM. This is a forum for interpretation of rules, so if you're trying to help, just interpret the rules, instead of asking their DM to do it.
Second of all, it only says you have to be in dim light or darkness to take the action; not to maintain the invisibility. A source of light moving next to you would not interrupt the invisibility.
Third of all, it really comes down to the deep philosophical question of is a corpse still a creature? I would argue not, since then you have to get into the nitty gritty of how old/chopped up/moved a corpse has to be to no longer be a creature, since otherwise pretty much every object would be a dead guy somewhere along the line, and therefore a creature. Since no answer is provided, it's pretty safe to assume that it isn't considered because corpses simply aren't creatures (with exception of spells like revivify that target dead creatures). Of course, with a corpse not being a creature, effects such as invisible wouldn't affect corpses.
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Sadly I must disagree with you Quar1on. You are not wrong that technically 'everything' is up to the GM. However some things are more clear cut, and other are vague, or indecipherable. What we don't want is players coming here for ways to argue with the GM on how 'wrong' they are. So I stand by my statement.
The RAW support somewhat of you second interpretation, but it seems to me that the RAI could indicate otherwise. I can see it either way. Hence a debate, hence a DM's call. But, after rereading it, checking its level, and its limitations, I'd be inclined to agree with you.
For the 3rd my interpretation is that while alive you'd still be invisible. You aren't a corpse until you are dead. The original post only says unconscious. As its not a concentration spell/effect, it technically remains until one of the cancelling effects occur. Even then, technically I'd argue yes, a corpse is a person. The revivify spell clearly says you touch a creature, and if you rule a corpse not a creature, revivify fails (according to RAW, clearly not as you view RAI on corpses).
Fun debate! Aralia please let us know how your GM rules, I'm curious!
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Based on the specific wording, I think you might remain invisible unless your DM rules that dropping prone amounts to movement.
"When you are in an area of dim light or darkness, you can use your action to become invisible until you move or take an action or a reaction."
This says you may become invisible in dim light or darkness. It doesn't say the invisibility is lost if the location is subsequently illuminated so I would say that light would not cause the invisibility to be lost.
If you are unconscious then the following applies to the character:
"The creature drops whatever it's holding and falls prone."
but ..
"You can drop prone without using any of your speed. Standing up takes more effort; doing so costs an amount of movement equal to half your speed."
There is no movement cost associated with dropping prone BUT there is a movement cost associated with standing up. I would tend to interpret this to mean that going from standing to prone or prone to standing are both considered movement but with different speed costs associated with it - but it might depend on your DM. (Personally, since standing up costs 1/2 your speed, I would think it would classify as movement and if standing up is movement then I'd think falling down is also movement).
In any case, if dropping prone is considered movement then the invisibility would end as soon as you go unconscious and fall prone UNLESS your character was already lying on the ground, in which case the invisibility would not end.
You are invisible until you move or take an action or a reaction, becoming unconscious doesn't necessarily ends it and standing up or droping prone moves you nowhere, you haven't change space/square.
it only says you have to be in dim light or darkness to take the action; not to maintain the invisibility. A source of light moving next to you would not interrupt the invisibility.
I agree with you as written One With Shadows doesn't let you become invisible until you are no longer in an area of dim light or darkness.
You are invisible until you move or take an action or a reaction, becoming unconscious doesn't necessarily ends it and standing up or droping prone moves you nowhere, you haven't change space/square.
Just curious, do you then rule that you can spend movement/speed without actually moving?
As far as I know there is no definition in the rules that movement requires a character to change location to be considered movement so I usually go with movement being something that requires movement/speed be spent. Dropping prone doesn't cost movement but standing up does cost 1/2 movement so I usually go with both of these being considered as movement.
You are invisible until you move or take an action or a reaction, becoming unconscious doesn't necessarily ends it and standing up or droping prone moves you nowhere, you haven't change space/square.
Just curious, do you then rule that you can spend movement/speed without actually moving?
As far as I know there is no definition in the rules that movement requires a character to change location to be considered movement so I usually go with movement being something that requires movement/speed be spent. Dropping prone doesn't cost movement but standing up does cost 1/2 movement so I usually go with both of these being considered as movement.
Most of the time when you spend movement speed you move, but you are not always doing so to move, and doing so doesn't always move you somewhere. Standing up from prone is a prime exemple of a cost of movement speed that doesn't move, detailing what you must do to move while prone instead. The Devs shared similar thoughts on Twitter as well;
@JeremyECrawford Standing up costs movement but moves you nowhere. To move while prone, you crawl or use magic (PH, 191).
Exactly as the title says, my character used it and then went unconscious last session and I will need to make death saves but is my body still invisible and will it stay invisible? It says it ends when you move or take an action/reaction, but if you die then you don't.
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You become visible if you move, take action or reaction.
Falling prone, taking damage, dying and actually being dead do not count as any of these. So, you stay invisible.
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This is a question for your GM. Others, such as myself, can offer our own interpretation as we view the RAW or RAI, but its a little shadowy... pun intended. As I personally read it "When you are in an area of dim light or darkness, you can use your action to become invisible until you move or take an action or a reaction." As long as your body is in dim light or darkness you are invisible. So...
All sorts of options and fun problems. Of course its totally up the GM here, so listen to the forums, but please understand its not our call, only how the GM interprets things.
Best of luck...
Remember there are Rules as Written (RAW), Rules as Intended (RAI), and Rules as Fun (RAF). There's some great RAW, RAI, and RAF here... please check in with your DM to determine how they want to adjudicate the RAW/RAI/RAF for your game.
First of all, saying that it's up to the DM is pointless on a rules forum. Of course it's up to the DM, everything is up to the DM. This is a forum for interpretation of rules, so if you're trying to help, just interpret the rules, instead of asking their DM to do it.
Second of all, it only says you have to be in dim light or darkness to take the action; not to maintain the invisibility. A source of light moving next to you would not interrupt the invisibility.
Third of all, it really comes down to the deep philosophical question of is a corpse still a creature? I would argue not, since then you have to get into the nitty gritty of how old/chopped up/moved a corpse has to be to no longer be a creature, since otherwise pretty much every object would be a dead guy somewhere along the line, and therefore a creature. Since no answer is provided, it's pretty safe to assume that it isn't considered because corpses simply aren't creatures (with exception of spells like revivify that target dead creatures). Of course, with a corpse not being a creature, effects such as invisible wouldn't affect corpses.
Look at what you've done. You spoiled it. You have nobody to blame but yourself. Go sit and think about your actions.
Don't be mean. Rudeness is a vicious cycle, and it has to stop somewhere. Exceptions for things that are funny.
Go to the current Competition of the Finest 'Brews! It's a cool place where cool people make cool things.
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Sadly I must disagree with you Quar1on. You are not wrong that technically 'everything' is up to the GM. However some things are more clear cut, and other are vague, or indecipherable. What we don't want is players coming here for ways to argue with the GM on how 'wrong' they are. So I stand by my statement.
The RAW support somewhat of you second interpretation, but it seems to me that the RAI could indicate otherwise. I can see it either way. Hence a debate, hence a DM's call. But, after rereading it, checking its level, and its limitations, I'd be inclined to agree with you.
For the 3rd my interpretation is that while alive you'd still be invisible. You aren't a corpse until you are dead. The original post only says unconscious. As its not a concentration spell/effect, it technically remains until one of the cancelling effects occur. Even then, technically I'd argue yes, a corpse is a person. The revivify spell clearly says you touch a creature, and if you rule a corpse not a creature, revivify fails (according to RAW, clearly not as you view RAI on corpses).
Fun debate! Aralia please let us know how your GM rules, I'm curious!
Remember there are Rules as Written (RAW), Rules as Intended (RAI), and Rules as Fun (RAF). There's some great RAW, RAI, and RAF here... please check in with your DM to determine how they want to adjudicate the RAW/RAI/RAF for your game.
Based on the specific wording, I think you might remain invisible unless your DM rules that dropping prone amounts to movement.
"When you are in an area of dim light or darkness, you can use your action to become invisible until you move or take an action or a reaction."
This says you may become invisible in dim light or darkness. It doesn't say the invisibility is lost if the location is subsequently illuminated so I would say that light would not cause the invisibility to be lost.
If you are unconscious then the following applies to the character:
"The creature drops whatever it's holding and falls prone."
but ..
"You can drop prone without using any of your speed. Standing up takes more effort; doing so costs an amount of movement equal to half your speed."
There is no movement cost associated with dropping prone BUT there is a movement cost associated with standing up. I would tend to interpret this to mean that going from standing to prone or prone to standing are both considered movement but with different speed costs associated with it - but it might depend on your DM. (Personally, since standing up costs 1/2 your speed, I would think it would classify as movement and if standing up is movement then I'd think falling down is also movement).
In any case, if dropping prone is considered movement then the invisibility would end as soon as you go unconscious and fall prone UNLESS your character was already lying on the ground, in which case the invisibility would not end.
You are invisible until you move or take an action or a reaction, becoming unconscious doesn't necessarily ends it and standing up or droping prone moves you nowhere, you haven't change space/square.
I agree with you as written One With Shadows doesn't let you become invisible until you are no longer in an area of dim light or darkness.
Just curious, do you then rule that you can spend movement/speed without actually moving?
As far as I know there is no definition in the rules that movement requires a character to change location to be considered movement so I usually go with movement being something that requires movement/speed be spent. Dropping prone doesn't cost movement but standing up does cost 1/2 movement so I usually go with both of these being considered as movement.
My DM ruled yes though I did not die.
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Most of the time when you spend movement speed you move, but you are not always doing so to move, and doing so doesn't always move you somewhere. Standing up from prone is a prime exemple of a cost of movement speed that doesn't move, detailing what you must do to move while prone instead. The Devs shared similar thoughts on Twitter as well;
For exemple, standing up from prone doesn't trigger booming blade's secondary damage.