Can someone help me understand the ruling of geas. I.E it says the verbal component is imbued with mystical powers and the person has to understand you. With these two, a magical user would easily know you are casting geas since they have to hear you and they know the words are imbued with magic. Also if they are dealt damage and they dont know you cast it, how would they go about knowing what happened
I am not exactly certain what the question is, but I'll try to elaborate in what I understand regardless; perhaps it will help. I will be using details from the Sage Advice Compendium as needed.
1. Geas does not directly tie the verbal component of the spell with the verbal command. I cannot find any reference in Sage Advice or Errata that contradicts this. In fact, the example of Suggestion in the Compendium says: 'Assuming you failed to notice the spellcaster casting the spell, you might simply remember the caster saying, “The treasure you’re looking for isn’t here. Go look for it in the room at the top of the next tower."' This suggests someone can cast Geas without the target noticing the spellcasting, but the target needs to hear (and understand) the verbal command.
2. You do not notice you're Charmed. Again in the Compendium, there is this comment: " you become aware of the spell at a time specified in the spell’s description." The examples provided are Charm Person and Detect Thoughts, which include phrases such as "When the spell ends, the creature knows it was charmed by you."
3. The target may be unaware of the spell itself, but they are aware of the command. It's not surprising to say "I did not follow that command, and then I had a splitting headache for the rest of the day," to add two and two together.
Personally, I'd give the target a headache and (or as) a warning before going through the action that would cause the damage, but the spell does not demand this.
I am not exactly certain what the question is, but I'll try to elaborate in what I understand regardless; perhaps it will help. I will be using details from the Sage Advice Compendium as needed.
1. Geas does not directly tie the verbal component of the spell with the verbal command. I cannot find any reference in Sage Advice or Errata that contradicts this. In fact, the example of Suggestion in the Compendium says: 'Assuming you failed to notice the spellcaster casting the spell, you might simply remember the caster saying, “The treasure you’re looking for isn’t here. Go look for it in the room at the top of the next tower."' This suggests someone can cast Geas without the target noticing the spellcasting, but the target needs to hear (and understand) the verbal command.
2. You do not notice you're Charmed. Again in the Compendium, there is this comment: " you become aware of the spell at a time specified in the spell’s description." The examples provided are Charm Person and Detect Thoughts, which include phrases such as "When the spell ends, the creature knows it was charmed by you."
3. The target may be unaware of the spell itself, but they are aware of the command. It's not surprising to say "I did not follow that command, and then I had a splitting headache for the rest of the day," to add two and two together.
Personally, I'd give the target a headache and (or as) a warning before going through the action that would cause the damage, but the spell does not demand this.
So with the words though, it says the vocal commands are embued with magic and are incoherent in the rules, any one that know about magic would understand i'm casting a spell, no? Wouldn't any magic user notice this?
Can someone help me understand the ruling of geas. I.E it says the verbal component is imbued with mystical powers and the person has to understand you. With these two, a magical user would easily know you are casting geas since they have to hear you and they know the words are imbued with magic. Also if they are dealt damage and they dont know you cast it, how would they go about knowing what happened
Yes the target knows who the spellcaster is.
I am not exactly certain what the question is, but I'll try to elaborate in what I understand regardless; perhaps it will help. I will be using details from the Sage Advice Compendium as needed.
1. Geas does not directly tie the verbal component of the spell with the verbal command. I cannot find any reference in Sage Advice or Errata that contradicts this. In fact, the example of Suggestion in the Compendium says: 'Assuming you failed to notice the spellcaster casting the spell, you might simply remember the caster saying, “The treasure you’re looking for isn’t here. Go look for it in the room at the top of the next tower."' This suggests someone can cast Geas without the target noticing the spellcasting, but the target needs to hear (and understand) the verbal command.
2. You do not notice you're Charmed. Again in the Compendium, there is this comment: " you become aware of the spell at a time specified in the spell’s description." The examples provided are Charm Person and Detect Thoughts, which include phrases such as "When the spell ends, the creature knows it was charmed by you."
3. The target may be unaware of the spell itself, but they are aware of the command. It's not surprising to say "I did not follow that command, and then I had a splitting headache for the rest of the day," to add two and two together.
Personally, I'd give the target a headache and (or as) a warning before going through the action that would cause the damage, but the spell does not demand this.
I guess a Arcana check (DC = 10 + spell level) is needed to know the those words are imbued with magic.
Or you have to had Detect magic active.