If I have a soul trapped in a ring of mind shielding, could I for example cast Greater Restoration or Heal on the soul inside as long as I am holding or wearing the ring?
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If you do not have a Clear Path to the target creature, then you cannot target it with your spell. Also, it's pretty questionable whether or not a soul qualifies as a "creature" for the purpose of being a valid target.
A ghost is a disembodied soul, and you can target that with a ton of spells
a devil is the soul of an evil person put in a new body
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Heal is a creature you can see, and you can’t see it if it’s in the ring. Greater restoration is a creature you touch, and you can’t touch it when it’s inside the ring.
If they’ve been dead less than 200 years, and tell you their name you could pull off a true resurrection. If your idea is to revive them.
Also I’ll note, per the item description, the soul isn’t trapped in the ring. It can choose to move on to the afterlife whenever it likes.
A ghost is a disembodied soul, and you can target that with a ton of spells
a devil is the soul of an evil person put in a new body
Not all disembodied souls are ghosts, not all devils have the souls of evil people, and not all creatures have souls.
The spells require targeting a[rules]creature[/spells]. Maybe that definition is vague enough that you think a disembodied soul can normally be targeted. Come up with a stat block for them, then. Until one exists, they're off limits. You need a stat block to impose conditions and track hit points.
And, as @Xalthu already pointed out, the magic item already gets in the way. You cannot target a creature you cannot see, and you're not making physical contact to deliver a spell with a range of "Touch".
Is that true if you can touch minds while communicating with it, what if I wanted to cast trap the soul or magic jar to get this guy out of my ring?
Touch means physically touch, not metaphysically touch their mind. Read the descriptions of the various spells that might do what you want to see if they’ll work. But the vast, vast majority require a target you can see, at least, and often have touch as a requirement. And you can’t do either of those things. But in general, per the item description, that soul is in there until it decides to come out. You’ve got a new friend. Enjoy it.
I don't... why is nobody pointing out that, even if you could cast Greater Restoration or Heal on the soul trapped in the ring, it wouldn't matter? The soul isn't afflicted by the effect needing to be healed by Greater Restoration or the injuries needing to be healed by Heal, the body is. What would be the value of casting those spells on the soul?
I don't... why is nobody pointing out that, even if you could cast Greater Restoration or Heal on the soul trapped in the ring, it wouldn't matter? The soul isn't afflicted by the effect needing to be healed by Greater Restoration or the injuries needing to be healed by Heal, the body is. What would be the value of casting those spells on the soul?
They’re feebleminded
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I don't... why is nobody pointing out that, even if you could cast Greater Restoration or Heal on the soul trapped in the ring, it wouldn't matter? The soul isn't afflicted by the effect needing to be healed by Greater Restoration or the injuries needing to be healed by Heal, the body is. What would be the value of casting those spells on the soul?
They’re feebleminded
Ask your DM. I would personally allow you to use something, possibly depending on your explanation being clever enough. But that's certainly not what the rules would generally say.
(Heal shouldn't be able to do it. It only ends Blindness, Deafness, and Poisoned. If feebleminded is a reduction in ability scores, you'd just have to convince me you can touch it for Greater Restoration. If it's actually a Befuddlement spell, i don't think either works. If nothing else, Wish can definitely do it).
I don't... why is nobody pointing out that, even if you could cast Greater Restoration or Heal on the soul trapped in the ring, it wouldn't matter? The soul isn't afflicted by the effect needing to be healed by Greater Restoration or the injuries needing to be healed by Heal, the body is. What would be the value of casting those spells on the soul?
They’re feebleminded
Ask your DM. I would personally allow you to use something, possibly depending on your explanation being clever enough. But that's certainly not what the rules would generally say.
(Heal shouldn't be able to do it. It only ends Blindness, Deafness, and Poisoned. If feebleminded is a reduction in ability scores, you'd just have to convince me you can touch it for Greater Restoration. If it's actually a Befuddlement spell, i don't think either works. If nothing else, Wish can definitely do it).
*exhales* its a spell. That specifically calls out Heal and Greater Restoration as ways to cure the effect Feeblemind
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As mentioned back on Post #2, you do not have a clear path to the inside of the ring, so you cannot target the soul with any spells. Perhaps the soul could tell you where it's corpse is located?
As mentioned back on Post #2, you do not have a clear path to the inside of the ring, so you cannot target the soul with any spells. Perhaps the soul could tell you where it's corpse is located?
Already know where it is, but without a soul a corpse is just an object. And as mentioned above, the soul is feebleminded and therefore cannot understand language
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Oh, I see. As more details are coming out, I’m leaning more and more toward this being your DM giving you this as a quest. I’d look for some in-game solutions. Maybe visit a scholar or sage and find out more about the person. Maybe find some kind of high priest or high level cleric and see if they have some ideas for a solution.
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If I have a soul trapped in a ring of mind shielding, could I for example cast Greater Restoration or Heal on the soul inside as long as I am holding or wearing the ring?
I’m a decent DM and an above average rules lawyer
I have several complete Pokedexes | I may be stupid, but at least I’m not smart!
My favorite characters from dead threads; AMA: Aria, Rade, Kiano & Luz, Juniper, Ezra & Dr. Paine, Xi & his siblings, Misa Stay Paranoid!!!
My Drummer given title is Swift as the Dragon, but The Diabolical One named me Virex the Whisperbrand, Architect of Echoes
May the dice roll ever in your favor
If you do not have a Clear Path to the target creature, then you cannot target it with your spell. Also, it's pretty questionable whether or not a soul qualifies as a "creature" for the purpose of being a valid target.
Both are limited to only affecting creatures, so a better question would be, "Is a soul a creature?"
I don't think so.
A ghost is a disembodied soul, and you can target that with a ton of spells
a devil is the soul of an evil person put in a new body
I’m a decent DM and an above average rules lawyer
I have several complete Pokedexes | I may be stupid, but at least I’m not smart!
My favorite characters from dead threads; AMA: Aria, Rade, Kiano & Luz, Juniper, Ezra & Dr. Paine, Xi & his siblings, Misa Stay Paranoid!!!
My Drummer given title is Swift as the Dragon, but The Diabolical One named me Virex the Whisperbrand, Architect of Echoes
May the dice roll ever in your favor
Heal is a creature you can see, and you can’t see it if it’s in the ring. Greater restoration is a creature you touch, and you can’t touch it when it’s inside the ring.
If they’ve been dead less than 200 years, and tell you their name you could pull off a true resurrection. If your idea is to revive them.
Also I’ll note, per the item description, the soul isn’t trapped in the ring. It can choose to move on to the afterlife whenever it likes.
Is that true if you can touch minds while communicating with it, what if I wanted to cast trap the soul or magic jar to get this guy out of my ring?
Not all disembodied souls are ghosts, not all devils have the souls of evil people, and not all creatures have souls.
The spells require targeting a [rules]creature[/spells]. Maybe that definition is vague enough that you think a disembodied soul can normally be targeted. Come up with a stat block for them, then. Until one exists, they're off limits. You need a stat block to impose conditions and track hit points.
And, as @Xalthu already pointed out, the magic item already gets in the way. You cannot target a creature you cannot see, and you're not making physical contact to deliver a spell with a range of "Touch".
Touch means physically touch, not metaphysically touch their mind.
Read the descriptions of the various spells that might do what you want to see if they’ll work. But the vast, vast majority require a target you can see, at least, and often have touch as a requirement. And you can’t do either of those things.
But in general, per the item description, that soul is in there until it decides to come out. You’ve got a new friend. Enjoy it.
I don't... why is nobody pointing out that, even if you could cast Greater Restoration or Heal on the soul trapped in the ring, it wouldn't matter? The soul isn't afflicted by the effect needing to be healed by Greater Restoration or the injuries needing to be healed by Heal, the body is. What would be the value of casting those spells on the soul?
They’re feebleminded
I’m a decent DM and an above average rules lawyer
I have several complete Pokedexes | I may be stupid, but at least I’m not smart!
My favorite characters from dead threads; AMA: Aria, Rade, Kiano & Luz, Juniper, Ezra & Dr. Paine, Xi & his siblings, Misa Stay Paranoid!!!
My Drummer given title is Swift as the Dragon, but The Diabolical One named me Virex the Whisperbrand, Architect of Echoes
May the dice roll ever in your favor
Ask your DM. I would personally allow you to use something, possibly depending on your explanation being clever enough. But that's certainly not what the rules would generally say.
(Heal shouldn't be able to do it. It only ends Blindness, Deafness, and Poisoned. If feebleminded is a reduction in ability scores, you'd just have to convince me you can touch it for Greater Restoration. If it's actually a Befuddlement spell, i don't think either works. If nothing else, Wish can definitely do it).
*exhales* its a spell. That specifically calls out Heal and Greater Restoration as ways to cure the effect Feeblemind
I’m a decent DM and an above average rules lawyer
I have several complete Pokedexes | I may be stupid, but at least I’m not smart!
My favorite characters from dead threads; AMA: Aria, Rade, Kiano & Luz, Juniper, Ezra & Dr. Paine, Xi & his siblings, Misa Stay Paranoid!!!
My Drummer given title is Swift as the Dragon, but The Diabolical One named me Virex the Whisperbrand, Architect of Echoes
May the dice roll ever in your favor
As mentioned back on Post #2, you do not have a clear path to the inside of the ring, so you cannot target the soul with any spells. Perhaps the soul could tell you where it's corpse is located?
Already know where it is, but without a soul a corpse is just an object. And as mentioned above, the soul is feebleminded and therefore cannot understand language
I’m a decent DM and an above average rules lawyer
I have several complete Pokedexes | I may be stupid, but at least I’m not smart!
My favorite characters from dead threads; AMA: Aria, Rade, Kiano & Luz, Juniper, Ezra & Dr. Paine, Xi & his siblings, Misa Stay Paranoid!!!
My Drummer given title is Swift as the Dragon, but The Diabolical One named me Virex the Whisperbrand, Architect of Echoes
May the dice roll ever in your favor
Oh, I see. As more details are coming out, I’m leaning more and more toward this being your DM giving you this as a quest. I’d look for some in-game solutions. Maybe visit a scholar or sage and find out more about the person. Maybe find some kind of high priest or high level cleric and see if they have some ideas for a solution.