Wizard and Magic Initiate (Wizard)

If I play a wizard, and take magic initiate (wizard), can I copy the spells in my spellbook (with the cost and/or via creating a scroll first), and (as in 2024 rules) as I level up, swich the 1’st level spell, and copy that to my spellbook, and so on?

It's kind of a gray area, but I think probably not, since the Wizard class's spell-copying feature is really intended to be used when you find a spell in a spellbook or scroll, and the Magic Initiate spells are not provided in that form. A lot of DMs might allow it, though.

you could maybe make a scroll for it then copy it to your spell book. though item crafting is something your DM may want to curtail as it can get out of hand.

> Level 1 Spell. Choose a level 1 spell from the same list you selected for this feat’s cantrips. You always have that spell prepared.

> Copying the Book. You can copy a spell from your spellbook into another book. This is like copying a new spell into your spellbook but faster, since you already know how to cast the spell. You need spend only 1 hour and 10 GP for each level of the copied spell.

If you lose your spellbook, you can use the same procedure to transcribe the Wizard spells that you have prepared into a new spellbook

Based on the combination of it being prepared and Wizards being able to copy their prepared Wizard spells into their spellbook, I'd say it looks like you can.

Technically, it does not specify that "[discovering] a Wizard spell" must be on a spell scroll or in a book.

I think that by RAW, it is allowed as you describe. However, do not be surprised if it is curtailed at some tables.

As Athanar90 said, it seems that the rules for Expanding and Replacing a Spellbook support that idea.

But yeah, ask your DM anyway.

I'd probably allow it, but in practice I don't know how valuable it would be. You only switch at level up, and getting an extra level 1 spell rapidly becomes un-exciting. I'd probably rather have a free casting of mage armor or shield than add an extra level 1 spell to my book that I'll probably not ever really use. Though I could see picking up a ritual or two that way. But then, you're still stuck with that spell as your free cast per day for a level.

I see your point, I’m gonna be playing an abjurer, and I am planning to take those as my ’free’ subclass spells. And I don’t expect us to play unti about 6’th level (hopefully I am wrong), so I’d be able to get 5 extra 1’st level spells by then. And tbh our DM hasn’t been very generous when it comes to finding spells in our campaigns, so this is me trying to find a bit of a loophole to give myself more versatility to our campaign. Btw greetings from Finland, and thank you all for the comments/opinions!

I met someone today who said the benefit could mean you can choose a spell from the level you just reached :'(

Spell Change. Whenever you gain a new level, you can replace one of the spells you chose for this feat with a different spell of the same level from the chosen spell list.

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I met someone today who said the benefit could mean you can choose a spell from the level you just reached :'(

Spell Change. Whenever you gain a new level, you can replace one of the spells you chose for this feat with a different spell of the same level from the chosen spell list.

Well, that's a new one. Did you ask them whether that mean that when you level up from level 15 to 16, you can replace it with a 16th level spell?

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I met someone today who said the benefit could mean you can choose a spell from the level you just reached :'(

Spell Change. Whenever you gain a new level, you can replace one of the spells you chose for this feat with a different spell of the same level from the chosen spell list.

Well, that's a new one. Did you ask them whether that mean that when you level up from level 15 to 16, you can replace it with a 16th level spell?

 Hahaha, I'll do that 😅

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If I play a wizard, and take magic initiate (wizard), can I copy the spells in my spellbook (with the cost and/or via creating a scroll first), and (as in 2024 rules) as I level up, swich the 1’st level spell, and copy that to my spellbook, and so on?

Level 1 Wizard spell from Magic Initiate  don't require a Spellbook, you simply know and have it always prepared until you replace it with a different level 1 Wizard spell.

If you were to copy this spell in your Spellbook somehow, replacing it thereafter would mean you can't know and prepare it anymore, unless you add or find it via your Spellcasting feature.

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If I play a wizard, and take magic initiate (wizard), can I copy the spells in my spellbook (with the cost and/or via creating a scroll first), and (as in 2024 rules) as I level up, swich the 1’st level spell, and copy that to my spellbook, and so on?

Level 1 Wizard spell from Magic Initiate  don't require a Spellbook, you simply know and have it always prepared until you replace it with a different level 1 Wizard spell.

If you were to copy this spell in your Spellbook somehow, replacing it thereafter would mean you can't know and prepare it anymore, unless you add or find it via your Spellcasting feature.

Which Othel mentioned doing it by copying it into their Wizard Spellbook. They are a Wizard with Magic Initiate (Wizard). 

It is not clear whether having the spell from Magic Initiate counts as "finding a level 1+ Wizard Spell". Usually this is assumed to be a scroll or spellbook but isn't explicitly defined as such.

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It is not clear whether having the spell from Magic Initiate counts as "finding a level 1+ Wizard Spell". Usually this is assumed to be a scroll or spellbook but isn't explicitly defined as such.

 It's clear to me it's not a spell you find during adventuring but one that you know as part of your Background at character creation.

Expanding and Replacing a Spellbook: The spells you add to your spellbook as you gain levels reflect your ongoing magical research, but you might find other spells during your adventures that you can add to the book. You could discover a Wizard spell on a Spell Scroll, for example, and then copy it into your spellbook.

To me another indication spells you find and copy must be in written form is the reference to transcription;

Copying a Spell into the Book. When you find a level 1+ Wizard spell, you can copy it into your spellbook if it’s of a level you can prepare and if you have time to copy it. For each level of the spell, the transcription takes 2 hours and costs 50 GP. Afterward you can prepare the spell like the other spells in your spellbook.

But under replacing a spellbook you can transcribe prepared spells into your spellbook. I know the assumption is your normal prepared spells not a magic initiate one. But, I'd allow it, at most it saves a bit of cash/time as you could make a scroll of it, then scribe it. But that seems to be requiring a lot of hoop jumping over a 1st level spell being added to a spellbook, once a level.