This would also work with something like you have a round of preparation, then you could take the ready action, and cast two spells, which was how I thought about this
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Hello! Call meTana. My pronouns are She/Her. I am a teenager. I have Autism and ADHD. And, you would probably call me trans femme, Pansexual pancake, and ace I will mother you if you are being stupid. ALL HAIL MERLIN! [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] = [roll][roll:-6]+[roll:-5]+[roll:-4]+[roll:-3]+[roll:-2]+[roll:-1][/roll] I have adopted Golden, Salem, Wes, Aspen, and Foalin.
I think the conclusion is that you can't use the Ready Action to get around the "one spell with a spell slot per turn" rule, because anything you could actually do with the Ready Action (use a magic item, cast a spell that doesn't use a spell slot, etc.) you could just do on your turn anyway.
I think the secondary intention was to use Ready an Action to get around the limits on Action Surge. The interaction with the one spell with a spell slot limit was already addressed.
Something that just occurred to me, there's nothing saying that you can't be the perceivable trigger, is there? Action Surge Action: Ready Action to Cast a Spell from this Scroll when I am 5 feet closer. Moves 5 feet closer.
Seems like an unintended, but technically legitimate work around.
I think the conclusion is that you can't use the Ready Action to get around the "one spell with a spell slot per turn" rule, because anything you could actually do with the Ready Action (use a magic item, cast a spell that doesn't use a spell slot, etc.) you could just do on your turn anyway.
I think the secondary intention was to use Ready an Action to get around the limits on Action Surge. The interaction with the one spell with a spell slot limit was already addressed.
Something that just occurred to me, there's nothing saying that you can't be the perceivable trigger, is there? Action Surge Action: Ready Action to Cast a Spell from this Scroll when I am 5 feet closer. Moves 5 feet closer.
Seems like an unintended, but technically legitimate work around.
Yeah, true
I mean, you are percievable, thus you would be able to
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Hello! Call meTana. My pronouns are She/Her. I am a teenager. I have Autism and ADHD. And, you would probably call me trans femme, Pansexual pancake, and ace I will mother you if you are being stupid. ALL HAIL MERLIN! [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] = [roll][roll:-6]+[roll:-5]+[roll:-4]+[roll:-3]+[roll:-2]+[roll:-1][/roll] I have adopted Golden, Salem, Wes, Aspen, and Foalin.
Something that just occurred to me, there's nothing saying that you can't be the perceivable trigger, is there? Action Surge Action: Ready Action to Cast a Spell from this Scroll when I am 5 feet closer. Moves 5 feet closer.
I can't imagine any DM letting you get away with that
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Active characters:
Edoumiaond Willegume "Eddie" Podslee, Vegetanian scholar (College of Spirits bard) Lan Kidogo, mapach archaeologist and treasure hunter (Knowledge cleric) Peter "the Pied Piper" Hausler, human con artist/remover of vermin (Circle of the Shepherd druid) PIPA - Planar Interception/Protection Aeormaton, warforged bodyguard and ex-wizard hunter (Warrior of the Elements monk/Cartographer artificer) Xhekhetiel, halfling survivor of a Betrayer Gods cult (Runechild sorcerer/fighter)
Something that just occurred to me, there's nothing saying that you can't be the perceivable trigger, is there? Action Surge Action: Ready Action to Cast a Spell from this Scroll when I am 5 feet closer. Moves 5 feet closer.
I can't imagine any DM letting you get away with that
Why?
Isn't the point of D&D to think of creative solutions?
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Hello! Call meTana. My pronouns are She/Her. I am a teenager. I have Autism and ADHD. And, you would probably call me trans femme, Pansexual pancake, and ace I will mother you if you are being stupid. ALL HAIL MERLIN! [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] = [roll][roll:-6]+[roll:-5]+[roll:-4]+[roll:-3]+[roll:-2]+[roll:-1][/roll] I have adopted Golden, Salem, Wes, Aspen, and Foalin.
My point was... what's the point? Why ready an action for when you move to then more to release the readied action? Why not just move and... perform the action?
As for the preparation round... I guess there can be something for readying a spell for the next turn somehow, then releasing and casting another spell that same turn.
My point was... what's the point? Why ready an action for when you move to then more to release the readied action? Why not just move and... perform the action?
As for the preparation round... I guess there can be something for readying a spell for the next turn somehow, then releasing and casting another spell that same turn.
Because the intent of this was to cast multiple-level spells in one turn with spell slots
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Hello! Call meTana. My pronouns are She/Her. I am a teenager. I have Autism and ADHD. And, you would probably call me trans femme, Pansexual pancake, and ace I will mother you if you are being stupid. ALL HAIL MERLIN! [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] = [roll][roll:-6]+[roll:-5]+[roll:-4]+[roll:-3]+[roll:-2]+[roll:-1][/roll] I have adopted Golden, Salem, Wes, Aspen, and Foalin.
Isn't the point of D&D to think of creative solutions?
Trying to exploit the rules to do something that is explicitly not allowed isn't creative roleplay, it is just exploiting the rules.
Considering that you still can cast multiple spells on one turn, I think that finding a new way to do so is still a creative solution
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Hello! Call meTana. My pronouns are She/Her. I am a teenager. I have Autism and ADHD. And, you would probably call me trans femme, Pansexual pancake, and ace I will mother you if you are being stupid. ALL HAIL MERLIN! [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] = [roll][roll:-6]+[roll:-5]+[roll:-4]+[roll:-3]+[roll:-2]+[roll:-1][/roll] I have adopted Golden, Salem, Wes, Aspen, and Foalin.
Something that just occurred to me, there's nothing saying that you can't be the perceivable trigger, is there? Action Surge Action: Ready Action to Cast a Spell from this Scroll when I am 5 feet closer. Moves 5 feet closer.
I can't imagine any DM letting you get away with that
Why?
Isn't the point of D&D to think of creative solutions?
That's not a "creative solution" to anything other than someone not liking the limits of the action economy. It's the kind of thing this was included to address
Rules Rely on Good-Faith Interpretation. The rules assume that everyone reading and interpreting the rules has the interests of the group’s fun at heart and is reading the rules in that light.
Outlining these principles can help hold players’ exploits at bay. If a player persistently tries to twist the rules of the game, have a conversation with that player outside the game and ask them to stop.
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Active characters:
Edoumiaond Willegume "Eddie" Podslee, Vegetanian scholar (College of Spirits bard) Lan Kidogo, mapach archaeologist and treasure hunter (Knowledge cleric) Peter "the Pied Piper" Hausler, human con artist/remover of vermin (Circle of the Shepherd druid) PIPA - Planar Interception/Protection Aeormaton, warforged bodyguard and ex-wizard hunter (Warrior of the Elements monk/Cartographer artificer) Xhekhetiel, halfling survivor of a Betrayer Gods cult (Runechild sorcerer/fighter)
Something that just occurred to me, there's nothing saying that you can't be the perceivable trigger, is there? Action Surge Action: Ready Action to Cast a Spell from this Scroll when I am 5 feet closer. Moves 5 feet closer.
I can't imagine any DM letting you get away with that
Why?
Isn't the point of D&D to think of creative solutions?
That's not a "creative solution" to anything other than someone not liking the limits of the action economy. It's the kind of thing this was included to address
Rules Rely on Good-Faith Interpretation. The rules assume that everyone reading and interpreting the rules has the interests of the group’s fun at heart and is reading the rules in that light.
Outlining these principles can help hold players’ exploits at bay. If a player persistently tries to twist the rules of the game, have a conversation with that player outside the game and ask them to stop.
The difference between that and what I'm doing is the fact that I wouldn't ever try to use this build; I just enjoy finding loopholes
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Hello! Call meTana. My pronouns are She/Her. I am a teenager. I have Autism and ADHD. And, you would probably call me trans femme, Pansexual pancake, and ace I will mother you if you are being stupid. ALL HAIL MERLIN! [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] = [roll][roll:-6]+[roll:-5]+[roll:-4]+[roll:-3]+[roll:-2]+[roll:-1][/roll] I have adopted Golden, Salem, Wes, Aspen, and Foalin.
This would also work with something like you have a round of preparation, then you could take the ready action, and cast two spells, which was how I thought about this
That doesn't really work, the ready action has to be taken "before the start of your next turn" so you would need to set a trigger that happens just before your turn starts.
But you could conceivably use a round of preparation and have the whole party ready their actions for the same trigger.
This would also work with something like you have a round of preparation, then you could take the ready action, and cast two spells, which was how I thought about this
That doesn't really work, the ready action has to be taken "before the start of your next turn" so you would need to set a trigger that happens just before your turn starts.
But you could conceivably use a round of preparation and have the whole party ready their actions for the same trigger.
Yep!
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Hello! Call meTana. My pronouns are She/Her. I am a teenager. I have Autism and ADHD. And, you would probably call me trans femme, Pansexual pancake, and ace I will mother you if you are being stupid. ALL HAIL MERLIN! [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] = [roll][roll:-6]+[roll:-5]+[roll:-4]+[roll:-3]+[roll:-2]+[roll:-1][/roll] I have adopted Golden, Salem, Wes, Aspen, and Foalin.
I think the conclusion is that you can't use the Ready Action to get around the "one spell with a spell slot per turn" rule, because anything you could actually do with the Ready Action (use a magic item, cast a spell that doesn't use a spell slot, etc.) you could just do on your turn anyway.
I think the secondary intention was to use Ready an Action to get around the limits on Action Surge. The interaction with the one spell with a spell slot limit was already addressed.
Something that just occurred to me, there's nothing saying that you can't be the perceivable trigger, is there? Action Surge Action: Ready Action to Cast a Spell from this Scroll when I am 5 feet closer. Moves 5 feet closer.
Seems like an unintended, but technically legitimate work around.
Assuming a DM allows what's being proposed for Action Surge, maybe it's simpler to define the trigger as: "when I grab a Spell Scroll from my backpack* and unroll it".
The difference between that and what I'm doing is the fact that I wouldn't ever try to use this build; I just enjoy finding loopholes
If you're looking for loopholes, that's already a bad-faith approach...
Why? What is inherently bad about looking for loopholes for fun? I don't intend to ever use them
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Hello! Call meTana. My pronouns are She/Her. I am a teenager. I have Autism and ADHD. And, you would probably call me trans femme, Pansexual pancake, and ace I will mother you if you are being stupid. ALL HAIL MERLIN! [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] = [roll][roll:-6]+[roll:-5]+[roll:-4]+[roll:-3]+[roll:-2]+[roll:-1][/roll] I have adopted Golden, Salem, Wes, Aspen, and Foalin.
The difference between that and what I'm doing is the fact that I wouldn't ever try to use this build; I just enjoy finding loopholes
If you're looking for loopholes, that's already a bad-faith approach...
Why? What is inherently bad about looking for loopholes for fun? I don't intend to ever use them
It's not about the action, it's about the fact that they're loopholes at all. If you're trying to find a way to circumvent the rules (and this is DEFINITELY something that requires imprecise wording and flies in the face of rules intent), it's automatically a bad faith interpretation of the rules. If you want to look for cool interactions or whatever, great, but they should be found the same whether under the pretense of using them or not.
Not intending to use them doesn't impact validity of the idea.
The difference between that and what I'm doing is the fact that I wouldn't ever try to use this build; I just enjoy finding loopholes
If you're looking for loopholes, that's already a bad-faith approach...
Why? What is inherently bad about looking for loopholes for fun? I don't intend to ever use them
It's not about the action, it's about the fact that they're loopholes at all. If you're trying to find a way to circumvent the rules (and this is DEFINITELY something that requires imprecise wording and flies in the face of rules intent), it's automatically a bad faith interpretation of the rules. If you want to look for cool interactions or whatever, great, but they should be found the same whether under the pretense of using them or not.
Not intending to use them doesn't impact validity of the idea.
And, what about the things that don't have a rule against them?
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Hello! Call meTana. My pronouns are She/Her. I am a teenager. I have Autism and ADHD. And, you would probably call me trans femme, Pansexual pancake, and ace I will mother you if you are being stupid. ALL HAIL MERLIN! [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] = [roll][roll:-6]+[roll:-5]+[roll:-4]+[roll:-3]+[roll:-2]+[roll:-1][/roll] I have adopted Golden, Salem, Wes, Aspen, and Foalin.
The difference between that and what I'm doing is the fact that I wouldn't ever try to use this build; I just enjoy finding loopholes
If you're looking for loopholes, that's already a bad-faith approach...
Why? What is inherently bad about looking for loopholes for fun? I don't intend to ever use them
It's not about the action, it's about the fact that they're loopholes at all. If you're trying to find a way to circumvent the rules (and this is DEFINITELY something that requires imprecise wording and flies in the face of rules intent), it's automatically a bad faith interpretation of the rules. If you want to look for cool interactions or whatever, great, but they should be found the same whether under the pretense of using them or not.
Not intending to use them doesn't impact validity of the idea.
And, what about the things that don't have a rule against them?
You'd have to provide an actual example. This thread isn't one. However, if it's something absolutely not covered by the rules, the only correct answer is that it's up to DM interpretation. A player may suggest an idea they have, but the DM gets final say on covering that which the rules don't.
The difference between that and what I'm doing is the fact that I wouldn't ever try to use this build; I just enjoy finding loopholes
If you're looking for loopholes, that's already a bad-faith approach...
I would agree. Finding clever uses for spells or abilities is one thing. Actively trying to subvert the action economy with a technicality just feels kinda bad. It's like the Coffeelock fiasco. I would never allow that at my table, even if it is "technically" RAW.
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This would also work with something like you have a round of preparation, then you could take the ready action, and cast two spells, which was how I thought about this
Hello! Call me Tana.
My pronouns are She/Her.
I am a teenager. I have Autism and ADHD. And, you would probably call me trans femme, Pansexual pancake, and ace
I will mother you if you are being stupid.
ALL HAIL MERLIN! [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] = [roll][roll:-6]+[roll:-5]+[roll:-4]+[roll:-3]+[roll:-2]+[roll:-1][/roll]
I have adopted Golden, Salem, Wes, Aspen, and Foalin.
I think the secondary intention was to use Ready an Action to get around the limits on Action Surge. The interaction with the one spell with a spell slot limit was already addressed.
Something that just occurred to me, there's nothing saying that you can't be the perceivable trigger, is there? Action Surge Action: Ready Action to Cast a Spell from this Scroll when I am 5 feet closer. Moves 5 feet closer.
Seems like an unintended, but technically legitimate work around.
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Yeah, true
I mean, you are percievable, thus you would be able to
Hello! Call me Tana.
My pronouns are She/Her.
I am a teenager. I have Autism and ADHD. And, you would probably call me trans femme, Pansexual pancake, and ace
I will mother you if you are being stupid.
ALL HAIL MERLIN! [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] = [roll][roll:-6]+[roll:-5]+[roll:-4]+[roll:-3]+[roll:-2]+[roll:-1][/roll]
I have adopted Golden, Salem, Wes, Aspen, and Foalin.
I can't imagine any DM letting you get away with that
Active characters:
Edoumiaond Willegume "Eddie" Podslee, Vegetanian scholar (College of Spirits bard)
Lan Kidogo, mapach archaeologist and treasure hunter (Knowledge cleric)
Peter "the Pied Piper" Hausler, human con artist/remover of vermin (Circle of the Shepherd druid)
PIPA - Planar Interception/Protection Aeormaton, warforged bodyguard and ex-wizard hunter (Warrior of the Elements monk/Cartographer artificer)
Xhekhetiel, halfling survivor of a Betrayer Gods cult (Runechild sorcerer/fighter)
Why?
Isn't the point of D&D to think of creative solutions?
Hello! Call me Tana.
My pronouns are She/Her.
I am a teenager. I have Autism and ADHD. And, you would probably call me trans femme, Pansexual pancake, and ace
I will mother you if you are being stupid.
ALL HAIL MERLIN! [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] = [roll][roll:-6]+[roll:-5]+[roll:-4]+[roll:-3]+[roll:-2]+[roll:-1][/roll]
I have adopted Golden, Salem, Wes, Aspen, and Foalin.
My point was... what's the point? Why ready an action for when you move to then more to release the readied action? Why not just move and... perform the action?
As for the preparation round... I guess there can be something for readying a spell for the next turn somehow, then releasing and casting another spell that same turn.
Because the intent of this was to cast multiple-level spells in one turn with spell slots
Hello! Call me Tana.
My pronouns are She/Her.
I am a teenager. I have Autism and ADHD. And, you would probably call me trans femme, Pansexual pancake, and ace
I will mother you if you are being stupid.
ALL HAIL MERLIN! [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] = [roll][roll:-6]+[roll:-5]+[roll:-4]+[roll:-3]+[roll:-2]+[roll:-1][/roll]
I have adopted Golden, Salem, Wes, Aspen, and Foalin.
Trying to exploit the rules to do something that is explicitly not allowed isn't creative roleplay, it is just exploiting the rules.
Considering that you still can cast multiple spells on one turn, I think that finding a new way to do so is still a creative solution
Hello! Call me Tana.
My pronouns are She/Her.
I am a teenager. I have Autism and ADHD. And, you would probably call me trans femme, Pansexual pancake, and ace
I will mother you if you are being stupid.
ALL HAIL MERLIN! [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] = [roll][roll:-6]+[roll:-5]+[roll:-4]+[roll:-3]+[roll:-2]+[roll:-1][/roll]
I have adopted Golden, Salem, Wes, Aspen, and Foalin.
That's not a "creative solution" to anything other than someone not liking the limits of the action economy. It's the kind of thing this was included to address
Active characters:
Edoumiaond Willegume "Eddie" Podslee, Vegetanian scholar (College of Spirits bard)
Lan Kidogo, mapach archaeologist and treasure hunter (Knowledge cleric)
Peter "the Pied Piper" Hausler, human con artist/remover of vermin (Circle of the Shepherd druid)
PIPA - Planar Interception/Protection Aeormaton, warforged bodyguard and ex-wizard hunter (Warrior of the Elements monk/Cartographer artificer)
Xhekhetiel, halfling survivor of a Betrayer Gods cult (Runechild sorcerer/fighter)
The difference between that and what I'm doing is the fact that I wouldn't ever try to use this build; I just enjoy finding loopholes
Hello! Call me Tana.
My pronouns are She/Her.
I am a teenager. I have Autism and ADHD. And, you would probably call me trans femme, Pansexual pancake, and ace
I will mother you if you are being stupid.
ALL HAIL MERLIN! [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] = [roll][roll:-6]+[roll:-5]+[roll:-4]+[roll:-3]+[roll:-2]+[roll:-1][/roll]
I have adopted Golden, Salem, Wes, Aspen, and Foalin.
That doesn't really work, the ready action has to be taken "before the start of your next turn" so you would need to set a trigger that happens just before your turn starts.
But you could conceivably use a round of preparation and have the whole party ready their actions for the same trigger.
Yep!
Hello! Call me Tana.
My pronouns are She/Her.
I am a teenager. I have Autism and ADHD. And, you would probably call me trans femme, Pansexual pancake, and ace
I will mother you if you are being stupid.
ALL HAIL MERLIN! [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] = [roll][roll:-6]+[roll:-5]+[roll:-4]+[roll:-3]+[roll:-2]+[roll:-1][/roll]
I have adopted Golden, Salem, Wes, Aspen, and Foalin.
Assuming a DM allows what's being proposed for Action Surge, maybe it's simpler to define the trigger as: "when I grab a Spell Scroll from my backpack* and unroll it".
* e.g. using the free object interaction.
If you're looking for loopholes, that's already a bad-faith approach...
Why? What is inherently bad about looking for loopholes for fun? I don't intend to ever use them
Hello! Call me Tana.
My pronouns are She/Her.
I am a teenager. I have Autism and ADHD. And, you would probably call me trans femme, Pansexual pancake, and ace
I will mother you if you are being stupid.
ALL HAIL MERLIN! [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] = [roll][roll:-6]+[roll:-5]+[roll:-4]+[roll:-3]+[roll:-2]+[roll:-1][/roll]
I have adopted Golden, Salem, Wes, Aspen, and Foalin.
It's not about the action, it's about the fact that they're loopholes at all. If you're trying to find a way to circumvent the rules (and this is DEFINITELY something that requires imprecise wording and flies in the face of rules intent), it's automatically a bad faith interpretation of the rules. If you want to look for cool interactions or whatever, great, but they should be found the same whether under the pretense of using them or not.
Not intending to use them doesn't impact validity of the idea.
And, what about the things that don't have a rule against them?
Hello! Call me Tana.
My pronouns are She/Her.
I am a teenager. I have Autism and ADHD. And, you would probably call me trans femme, Pansexual pancake, and ace
I will mother you if you are being stupid.
ALL HAIL MERLIN! [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] + [roll]1d4[/roll] = [roll][roll:-6]+[roll:-5]+[roll:-4]+[roll:-3]+[roll:-2]+[roll:-1][/roll]
I have adopted Golden, Salem, Wes, Aspen, and Foalin.
You'd have to provide an actual example. This thread isn't one. However, if it's something absolutely not covered by the rules, the only correct answer is that it's up to DM interpretation. A player may suggest an idea they have, but the DM gets final say on covering that which the rules don't.
I would agree. Finding clever uses for spells or abilities is one thing. Actively trying to subvert the action economy with a technicality just feels kinda bad. It's like the Coffeelock fiasco. I would never allow that at my table, even if it is "technically" RAW.