Studied Response + Push mastery: does pushing the attacker out of melee range cancel their attack?
Hi! I have a rules question about the Monster Hunter's Studied Response (L2 feature).
Studied Response reads:
When a creature you can see within 60 feet of you targets you or another creature with a melee or ranged attack, you can take a Reaction before the attack roll to make one attack with a weapon or an Unarmed Strike against that creature.
My character uses a Repeater Heavy Crossbow with Push mastery (PHB p.214), which pushes a creature 10 ft. on hit.
Scenario: An enemy at 5 ft. targets me with a melee attack (5 ft. reach). Studied Response fires before the attack roll. I hit with Push, moving the attacker to 15 ft. The attacker now has no target in reach.
Question: Does the original melee attack fail because the attacker is no longer in range, or does it still resolve?
Studied Response explicitly says "before the attack roll," so Push resolves before the d20 is rolled. By that point the attacker is 15 ft. away with a 5 ft. reach weapon. This seems like the attack should fail, but I wanted to confirm the intended interaction.
Studied Response + Push mastery: does pushing the attacker out of melee range cancel their attack?
Hi! I have a rules question about the Monster Hunter's Studied Response (L2 feature).
Studied Response reads:
When a creature you can see within 60 feet of you targets you or another creature with a melee or ranged attack, you can take a Reaction before the attack roll to make one attack with a weapon or an Unarmed Strike against that creature.
My character uses a Repeater Heavy Crossbow with Push mastery (PHB p.214), which pushes a creature 10 ft. on hit.
Scenario: An enemy at 5 ft. targets me with a melee attack (5 ft. reach). Studied Response fires before the attack roll. I hit with Push, moving the attacker to 15 ft. The attacker now has no target in reach.
Question: Does the original melee attack fail because the attacker is no longer in range, or does it still resolve?
Studied Response explicitly says "before the attack roll," so Push resolves before the d20 is rolled. By that point the attacker is 15 ft. away with a 5 ft. reach weapon. This seems like the attack should fail, but I wanted to confirm the intended interaction.
Thanks!
How I would rule this is the attack didn't have a chance to trigger since they were pushed before even roling. so the initial attack wouldn't happen but it would not use the creatures action/attack because they never rolled for it. they could at that point (assuming they have enough movement) move back into melee range with you and attempt to attack or they could f*ck off and attack someone else within range. I would treat it as if you had prevented the attack from even happening.
I guess to me, the enemy attack would miss because you were no longer in range. It would still use their action or one of their uses of multi-attack or whatever, because it was the attack that triggered your reaction.
For example, the 2014 version of the Shield spell states "* - which you take when you are hit by an attack or targeted by the magic missile spell."
It's obviously not a 1 to 1 comparison, because magic missile does not require rolling to hit at all, but it still uses the "targeted by" language.
If we say in the OP's scenario that the enemy doesn't lose their action/attack because the PC is now out of range, and so the enemy can instead target another creature, then we might also be able to say that a spellcaster who is using Magic Missile who sees their opponent use the Shield spell could also change their targets or simply use a different spell. That seems unintended.
Again, it isn't a 1 to 1 comparison, but it would seem odd to me for the triggering attack to actually have never happened because there are now no valid targets. I would say that enemy's attack is used, but simply misses entirely.
At the time of triggering Studied Response's Reaction, while the enemy didn't yet make an attack roll but did;
Take the Attack or Magic action, a Bonus Action or Reaction.
Make one melee or ranged attack with a spell, weapon or an Unarmed Strike.
Choose Targets: Pick the Monster Hunter as target within the attack’s range.
Determine Modifiers: The DM determines whether the target has Cover (see the next section) and whether you have Advantage or Disadvantage against the target.
I guess to me, the enemy attack would miss because you were no longer in range. It would still use their action or one of their uses of multi-attack or whatever, because it was the attack that triggered your reaction.
For example, the 2014 version of the Shield spell states "* - which you take when you are hit by an attack or targeted by the magic missile spell."
It's obviously not a 1 to 1 comparison, because magic missile does not require rolling to hit at all, but it still uses the "targeted by" language.
If we say in the OP's scenario that the enemy doesn't lose their action/attack because the PC is now out of range, and so the enemy can instead target another creature, then we might also be able to say that a spellcaster who is using Magic Missile who sees their opponent use the Shield spell could also change their targets or simply use a different spell. That seems unintended.
Again, it isn't a 1 to 1 comparison, but it would seem odd to me for the triggering attack to actually have never happened because there are now no valid targets. I would say that enemy's attack is used, but simply misses entirely.
When you take no damage from Magic Missile as a result of using Shield , the caster can't target someone else with this glowing dart and already did take the Magic action.
I guess to me, the enemy attack would miss because you were no longer in range. It would still use their action or one of their uses of multi-attack or whatever, because it was the attack that triggered your reaction.
For example, the 2014 version of the Shield spell states "* - which you take when you are hit by an attack or targeted by the magic missile spell."
It's obviously not a 1 to 1 comparison, because magic missile does not require rolling to hit at all, but it still uses the "targeted by" language.
If we say in the OP's scenario that the enemy doesn't lose their action/attack because the PC is now out of range, and so the enemy can instead target another creature, then we might also be able to say that a spellcaster who is using Magic Missile who sees their opponent use the Shield spell could also change their targets or simply use a different spell. That seems unintended.
Again, it isn't a 1 to 1 comparison, but it would seem odd to me for the triggering attack to actually have never happened because there are now no valid targets. I would say that enemy's attack is used, but simply misses entirely.
When you take no damage from Magic Missile as a result of using Shield , the caster can't target someone else with this glowing dart and already did take the Magic action.
Correct. In the same way the caster cannot choose to do a different spell or choose different targets because of the reaction taken by the target and they do lose/use that spell slot, so too can the enemy in the OP's example not choose a different target or different action because the target is no longer "valid" (based on being out of range), and they will lose/use their action/attack in the process. It would basically be treated as a "miss".
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Studied Response + Push mastery: does pushing the attacker out of melee range cancel their attack?
Hi! I have a rules question about the Monster Hunter's Studied Response (L2 feature).
Studied Response reads:
My character uses a Repeater Heavy Crossbow with Push mastery (PHB p.214), which pushes a creature 10 ft. on hit.
Scenario: An enemy at 5 ft. targets me with a melee attack (5 ft. reach). Studied Response fires before the attack roll. I hit with Push, moving the attacker to 15 ft. The attacker now has no target in reach.
Question: Does the original melee attack fail because the attacker is no longer in range, or does it still resolve?
Studied Response explicitly says "before the attack roll," so Push resolves before the d20 is rolled. By that point the attacker is 15 ft. away with a 5 ft. reach weapon. This seems like the attack should fail, but I wanted to confirm the intended interaction.
Thanks!
How I would rule this is the attack didn't have a chance to trigger since they were pushed before even roling. so the initial attack wouldn't happen but it would not use the creatures action/attack because they never rolled for it. they could at that point (assuming they have enough movement) move back into melee range with you and attempt to attack or they could f*ck off and attack someone else within range. I would treat it as if you had prevented the attack from even happening.
The enemy's attack would fail being pushed in such a manner that now make its target out of reach.
Such Reaction triggerred while Making an Attack would occur before step 3 resolve i believe.
Related Monster Hunter Studied Response Question (it's about the second part of the feature)
I guess to me, the enemy attack would miss because you were no longer in range. It would still use their action or one of their uses of multi-attack or whatever, because it was the attack that triggered your reaction.
For example, the 2014 version of the Shield spell states "* - which you take when you are hit by an attack or targeted by the magic missile spell."
It's obviously not a 1 to 1 comparison, because magic missile does not require rolling to hit at all, but it still uses the "targeted by" language.
If we say in the OP's scenario that the enemy doesn't lose their action/attack because the PC is now out of range, and so the enemy can instead target another creature, then we might also be able to say that a spellcaster who is using Magic Missile who sees their opponent use the Shield spell could also change their targets or simply use a different spell. That seems unintended.
Again, it isn't a 1 to 1 comparison, but it would seem odd to me for the triggering attack to actually have never happened because there are now no valid targets. I would say that enemy's attack is used, but simply misses entirely.
At the time of triggering Studied Response's Reaction, while the enemy didn't yet make an attack roll but did;
When you take no damage from Magic Missile as a result of using Shield , the caster can't target someone else with this glowing dart and already did take the Magic action.
Correct. In the same way the caster cannot choose to do a different spell or choose different targets because of the reaction taken by the target and they do lose/use that spell slot, so too can the enemy in the OP's example not choose a different target or different action because the target is no longer "valid" (based on being out of range), and they will lose/use their action/attack in the process. It would basically be treated as a "miss".