As I undertsand the rules, passive perception is a DM choice. Either they use it or the DM roll the dices.
Can you quote any rule that supports this idea?
The authors went through the trouble to include a Passive Perception score for every monster stat block in the game. The DM should just ignore this whenever they feel like it?
Passive Perception is a score that reflects a creature’s general awareness of its surroundings. The DM uses this score when determining whether a creature notices something without consciously making a Wisdom (Perception) check.
A creature’s Passive Perception equals 10 plus the creature’s Wisdom (Perception) check bonus. If the creature has Advantage on such checks, increase the score by 5. If the creature has Disadvantage on them, decrease the score by 5.
So you only use the passive perception score when the creature is passive and not actively searching for enemies.
I don't know why this thread when to 6 pages. The rules are clear as day on that subject.
As I undertsand the rules, passive perception is a DM choice. Either they use it or the DM roll the dices.
I dont think the DM rolls for players for, like, anything.
I never said the DM was rolling for the player. I say the DM chose if the player use his passive perception or if he rolls for it.
Stated here:
When to Call for a Check
An important time to call for a Wisdom (Perception) check is when another creature is using the Stealth skill to hide. Noticing a hidden creature is never trivially easy or automatically impossible, so characters can always try Wisdom (Perception) checks to do so.
Using Passive Perception. Sometimes, asking players to make Wisdom (Perception) checks for their characters tips them off that there’s something they should be searching for, giving them a clue you’d rather they didn’t have. In those circumstances, use characters’ Passive Perception scores instead.
I don't know why this thread when to 6 pages. The rules are clear as day on that subject.
Generally speaking, you can assume that a long thread either means the rules are not as clear as they seem to you, or that the rules are clear but nonsensical.
Can you quote any rule that supports this idea?
The authors went through the trouble to include a Passive Perception score for every monster stat block in the game. The DM should just ignore this whenever they feel like it?
I dont think the DM rolls for players for, like, anything.
“Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd.” — Voltaire
Yup under the Passive perception definition:
Passive Perception is a score that reflects a creature’s general awareness of its surroundings. The DM uses this score when determining whether a creature notices something without consciously making a Wisdom (Perception) check.
A creature’s Passive Perception equals 10 plus the creature’s Wisdom (Perception) check bonus. If the creature has Advantage on such checks, increase the score by 5. If the creature has Disadvantage on them, decrease the score by 5.
So you only use the passive perception score when the creature is passive and not actively searching for enemies.
I don't know why this thread when to 6 pages. The rules are clear as day on that subject.
I never said the DM was rolling for the player. I say the DM chose if the player use his passive perception or if he rolls for it.
Stated here:
When to Call for a Check
An important time to call for a Wisdom (Perception) check is when another creature is using the Stealth skill to hide. Noticing a hidden creature is never trivially easy or automatically impossible, so characters can always try Wisdom (Perception) checks to do so.
Using Passive Perception. Sometimes, asking players to make Wisdom (Perception) checks for their characters tips them off that there’s something they should be searching for, giving them a clue you’d rather they didn’t have. In those circumstances, use characters’ Passive Perception scores instead.
Have you read the player book ? The awnser is really clear.
Generally speaking, you can assume that a long thread either means the rules are not as clear as they seem to you, or that the rules are clear but nonsensical.
Or people are stubborn about being right and complaining.