Shapechange: What's the line between spellcasting and class features/feats?

Quote from Tarod_ >>

 Not sure if I'm following the reasoning.

Monster stat blocks never read "proficient with X". They frequently have entries that correspond to being proficient, but the proficiency is never actually stated on the stat block, you just have to assume "well, I guess the monster must be proficient".

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Quote from Tarod_ >>

 Not sure if I'm following the reasoning.

Monster stat blocks never read "proficient with X". They frequently have entries that correspond to being proficient, but the proficiency is never actually stated on the stat block, you just have to assume "well, I guess the monster must be proficient".

 Oh, now I understand. Thanks for your time and patience with me.

BTW:

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Quote from Squirrelloid >>

... what happens if its a skill that depends on int/wis/cha?

It uses the value in the statblock, even if that is no longer correct due to changed Int/Wis/Cha.

 I agree with this ruling.

Quote from Pantagruel666 >>

Quote from Tarod_ >>

 Not sure if I'm following the reasoning.

Monster stat blocks never read "proficient with X". They frequently have entries that correspond to being proficient, but the proficiency is never actually stated on the stat block, you just have to assume "well, I guess the monster must be proficient".

The Monster Manual has a section that explains what all the different parts of a stat block are, and it explicitly says that the Skills section "specifies a monster's skill proficiencies" and defines how they're calculated.

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Quote from Squirrelloid >>

... what happens if its a skill that depends on int/wis/cha?

It uses the value in the statblock, even if that is no longer correct due to changed Int/Wis/Cha.

 I agree with this ruling.

 I'm not sure I do.  Keeping your own int/wis/cha and your proficiencies can only mean that you can actually use your int/wis/cha and proficiencies.  Otherwise why specify you keep them?

Also it leads to the weird situation where you can be worse off because the creature has a skill listed than if it doesn't.